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Not only this, but in every case I can think of outside Job, Israel's judgments or trials came as a direct result of turning from God. Any "scourging" was a result of their own decisions, but God DID judge them at times no doubt, and He is still that very same God. That is a hard truth for some people to swallow, but honestly if God is God then He cannot change, God was the very same God of love in the OT that He is in the NT, just like God is as Just in the NT as HE is in the OT. Sometimes we forget about the two that dropped dead where they stood for lying to the Holy Spirit.
God can only be God, and I personally praise Him for His love, mercy, justice, and the assurance that He is good and evil will lose in the end (or beginning depending on how you look at it).
God can only be God, and I personally praise Him for His love, mercy, justice, and the assurance that He is good and evil will lose in the end (or beginning depending on how you look at it).
To keep the slander and malice down to a minimum - I have stated many times and in this thread too - that I don't believe in everything any preacher or denomination says no matter what "camp" they are in.
And I will not interact with those that continue to exhibit their malice and slander as it does nothing but cause strife and division.
It's time for us to grow up and come out of the baby stage.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
And I will not interact with those that continue to exhibit their malice and slander as it does nothing but cause strife and division.
It's time for us to grow up and come out of the baby stage.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
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No the part that is ALWAYS missed, yet everyone seems to agree on is that
"AFTER"
Salvation, after, after, after, after. "AS A RESULT OF" our rebirth, when the Holy Spirit fills us forever "CHANGING" us, will yield results. If you say you are reborn, yet there is no changes in who you are as a person, your behavior, or the focus of everything to the core of your being, all centered on Jesus, then you may not be truly saved. That is all they are saying. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Do you have to do these things to BE saved? NO. Can the power of the God that created the universe truly fill someone and yield no change in that person? NOPE. Even if you say that's possible then what would be the point? And behold the power of God, to keep a person the same???????
"AFTER"
Salvation, after, after, after, after. "AS A RESULT OF" our rebirth, when the Holy Spirit fills us forever "CHANGING" us, will yield results. If you say you are reborn, yet there is no changes in who you are as a person, your behavior, or the focus of everything to the core of your being, all centered on Jesus, then you may not be truly saved. That is all they are saying. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Do you have to do these things to BE saved? NO. Can the power of the God that created the universe truly fill someone and yield no change in that person? NOPE. Even if you say that's possible then what would be the point? And behold the power of God, to keep a person the same???????
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Yes, indeed, Jesus was very SPECIFIC ... on how He went about catching the little fishes!
'Tis best for them to start out with some optimism ... plenty of time for the Truth later.
Yes later, Jesus told them to COUNT THE COST of trying to proceed down that narrow path!
He also talked about STRIVING to enter.
He also talked about them CARRYING their crosses.
No end to the conditions and restrictions He put on those poor little fishes!
And we come back to COUNTING THE COST.
But, we can bypass this simply by living in the flesh ...
whilst happily and habitually living in unrepentant sin!
Dozens of dire warnings in the NT say this leads to eternal death.
'Tis best for them to start out with some optimism ... plenty of time for the Truth later.
Yes later, Jesus told them to COUNT THE COST of trying to proceed down that narrow path!
He also talked about STRIVING to enter.
He also talked about them CARRYING their crosses.
No end to the conditions and restrictions He put on those poor little fishes!
And we come back to COUNTING THE COST.
But, we can bypass this simply by living in the flesh ...
whilst happily and habitually living in unrepentant sin!
Dozens of dire warnings in the NT say this leads to eternal death.
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you put in the parts that underline and magnify your high view of your own opinions
you have an agenda, I understand
I have all the time in the world, whether now or later
God is never in a hurry. people are in a hurry when they want little imitations of themselves running around
original manuscripts did not have verses. there are more than 100 + 5 verses in the Bible
I understand you might be needing to take a breather though if you believe the Bible is all about how we behave
Not at all - it actually verifies the truth. Jesus is the only way to the promises of God. All the promises of God are Yes and Amen in Christ to the glory of God. We access His grace by faith in what Christ already has done.
For example: If we don't believe that our Lord will provide for us - then we will not experience peace in this life. We will still go to be with the Lord when we die because we are saved by His blood. Belief in what Christ has already done is "the narrow gate". Jesus Himself is that gate and Jesus Himself is that "narrow way".
It is God Himself in Christ and the word of His grace that builds us up and receives the inheritance for us. Church teachings that deny the grace of God for living - will not be able to give us the faith needed to access this grace - even though we will go to be with the Lord when we die - we will not experience His quality of life while on this earth.
Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
For example: If we don't believe that our Lord will provide for us - then we will not experience peace in this life. We will still go to be with the Lord when we die because we are saved by His blood. Belief in what Christ has already done is "the narrow gate". Jesus Himself is that gate and Jesus Himself is that "narrow way".
It is God Himself in Christ and the word of His grace that builds us up and receives the inheritance for us. Church teachings that deny the grace of God for living - will not be able to give us the faith needed to access this grace - even though we will go to be with the Lord when we die - we will not experience His quality of life while on this earth.
Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.