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Exceeding wisdom?.........your funny too!
Sully, IMO we are dealing with babes in Christ and some carnal Christians and their motive would be "to be good enough."But I believe there are a few who are tares here.
The motive in most cases is sincere IMO. But sincerely wrong.
But I see some that the motive is to destroy the very character and nature of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
Sully, IMO we are dealing with babes in Christ and some carnal Christians and their motive would be "to be good enough."But I believe there are a few who are tares here.
The motive in most cases is sincere IMO. But sincerely wrong.
But I see some that the motive is to destroy the very character and nature of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
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Admitting you like Joyce puts you in a certain category here at CC.
I've listened to Joyce for a lot of years and have many of her CDs and DVDs. There were days and weeks God used her encouraging messages about His unconditional love that got me through some very hard times. Her book The Battlefield of the Mind continues to be a major breakthrough for lots of Christians on how to begin to think right. She has been a fantastic therapist for many hurting Christians without even intending to. God has really used her in the world for people to get untangled out of some major stinking thinking.
For all the years I listened to her I never once heard her say anything heretical. After hearing so many of the things she taught all the way through to the end I knew the accusations about her were not true. But you can't get some people to even listen past their own set opinions. As far as being word of faith? I have no idea since that accusation has come to mean a bunch of mish mash to me. And many people I respect are accused of the same "horror" so it can't be bad at all imo.
I've come to consider the word of faith accusation one I no longer reject. Your husband sounds like a very smart and kind man. Some men won't even listen to Joyce for even a minute because they think she is usurping the authority of her husband. How sad is that?! She is a good wife and teaches other woman to also submit to their husbands as the leader in the home. That's pretty major for a woman to say today.
Have you seen the video on youtube that her adult children made of her when they were growing up? It's good for lots of belly laughs. Check it out.
well, there are different degrees of word of faith to be sure and some are just off the wall so let that one go I guess
believing you create your own reality by what you say is a twist of what the Bible actually does say
yes my husband is kind and he is one of those steady eddy kind of guys. I can depend on him. He's not going to sit down and listen to Joyce but he has no problem with me listening. you can't control people. you have to let them be who they are.
we have different opinions on things in the Bible but we have never fought over those things. it makes for good discussion.
I think people are afraid their tiny worlds will somehow be invaded with things they cannot control so they reject what they don't know. they call names and address others with what they think is superiority. well, like Paul said and I'll paraphrase, you think you are all that? well hey I'm all that and more. I'm not impressed.
calling a huge population of Christians a cult has got to be just silly, whether or not you agree with them.
no. I haven't seen that video. I like real. I can't stand phony or people who try to impress you. I would like to see how some people who ridicule her would have turned out with the same background. everyone is an armchair warrior. get out and do it is another story
How many times do you have to post the same, identical copy and pastes over and over, before YOU get sick of it? I'm geniunely curious, because I got sick of this garbage about the second time you reposted this. Does it also come from "Escape from Reality" website, or did you make it up yourself?
I think that those of us who have studied church history already know this information. And personally, I don't care how many websites there are exposing modern day preachers, some of whom may be just wrong, some might be the deadly, "partly wrong" and some who may be right.
This is a deflection. We are talking about a doctrine, not a person. Although certainly there are leaders in the Word Faith movement, and hypergrace. I don't really care who doesn't like them. What I care about is the lies, the unscriptural and hermeneutically unsound dividing of the Bible. I care about people being sucked into a false doctrine that will kill them, or steal all their money.
You are never going to sway me back to your heresy. But I will continue to warn people, because if someone with a good Bible background and training like me could almost get sucked into this cult, I just have to worry for those who are new and coming here. They need to hear the real truth about these lies.
And this is not name calling. This is standing my ground against an insidious and evil doctrine!
I'm expecting to be carried there. That makes me tremendously grateful and when I screw up it breaks my heart that I let Him down. Tell me what more must be done by unworthy filth like me??
None of us are much good to be sure until GOD/JESUS take us in hand.
What makes you think Jesus would carry a useless piece of junk into the Kgd of God ?
Jesus is here to HEAL/regenerate/correct our infirmities, faults, weaknessess, ignorance, misconceptions etc...so we can be conformed to HIS image and of eternal USE to God.....
learn to walk with Jesus !!!
I quoted from Scripture a description of a person known to be a fool, I would encourage you to avoid being one. I also would not stoop so low as to quote Jesus against Scripture, because in fact you would be condemning the Lord for singling such a person out as a fool.
there is someone here who knows what comes after the ''but.....Jesus who says 'he that endures to the end the same shall be saved' or ' if you continue in my word' or 'learn to do and not hear only' and many more.
Jesus did not die for us to remain helpless but to imbue and regenerate us to a NEW start with and by HIS POWER....to give us opportunity to be 'conformed to HIS image.
People seem to wrongly assume that we deny and negate His work on the cross - certainly not, since without it we go nowhere, HE is our everything !
Jesus did not die for us to remain helpless but to imbue and regenerate us to a NEW start with and by HIS POWER....to give us opportunity to be 'conformed to HIS image.
People seem to wrongly assume that we deny and negate His work on the cross - certainly not, since without it we go nowhere, HE is our everything !
Admitting you like Joyce puts you in a certain category here at CC.
I've listened to Joyce for a lot of years and have many of her CDs and DVDs. There were days and weeks God used her encouraging messages about His unconditional love that got me through some very hard times. Her book The Battlefield of the Mind continues to be a major breakthrough for lots of Christians on how to begin to think right. She has been a fantastic therapist for many hurting Christians without even intending to. God has really used her in the world for people to get untangled out of some major stinking thinking.
For all the years I listened to her I never once heard her say anything heretical. After hearing so many of the things she taught all the way through to the end I knew the accusations about her were not true. But you can't get some people to even listen past their own set opinions. As far as being word of faith? I have no idea since that accusation has come to mean a bunch of mish mash to me. And many people I respect are accused of the same "horror" so it can't be bad at all imo.
I've come to consider the word of faith accusation one I no longer reject. Your husband sounds like a very smart and kind man. Some men won't even listen to Joyce for even a minute because they think she is usurping the authority of her husband. How sad is that?! She is a good wife and teaches other woman to also submit to their husbands as the leader in the home. That's pretty major for a woman to say today.
Have you seen the video on youtube that her adult children made of her when they were growing up? It's good for lots of belly laughs. Check it out.
The problem is simple. People, humans want a simple transaction, here and now, done and
dusted.
Is getting married like this? Marriage ceremony and then thats it, or is it about the actual
relationship which the marriage testified to.
And as in marriage so in faith, a non-consumated marriage can be annulled.
Sometimes the couple get on for a little while but boom, it blows up.
And the marriage in Christ works because we become like Him, we overcome, we
are transformed. It sucks literally if something goes wrong, and nothing happens
and it is down to mountaineering without a map or the energy to succeed.
And boy a lot of people are in this boat, have faith but it often feels like stale
bread, you go through the ceremonies but the sparkle is not there and you do not
know why?
dusted.
Is getting married like this? Marriage ceremony and then thats it, or is it about the actual
relationship which the marriage testified to.
And as in marriage so in faith, a non-consumated marriage can be annulled.
Sometimes the couple get on for a little while but boom, it blows up.
And the marriage in Christ works because we become like Him, we overcome, we
are transformed. It sucks literally if something goes wrong, and nothing happens
and it is down to mountaineering without a map or the energy to succeed.
And boy a lot of people are in this boat, have faith but it often feels like stale
bread, you go through the ceremonies but the sparkle is not there and you do not
know why?
Those are mostly my own thoughts but also some from other member of CC where I have gleaned from their insights. I know what you mean about being sick of things posted as I get the same way when I see others slander people in the body of Christ because of their malice and bitterness and try to hide it in with their "defending the truth" nonsense.
I also get sick of seeing some try to "lord it over the faith of others" and de-mean them and insult them by name-calling. Then there are those that say because of their superior training - their interpretation of truth is accurate and thus the rest that differ with me and my group are now a "cult" and in "heresy".
As far as "the unscriptural and hermeneutically unsound dividing of the Bible" theory. There are Greek scholars that believe speaking in tongues is for today and there are Greek scholars that say it is of the devil today and it has passed away. Here is the fun part - both groups use their "hermeneutically sound " approach to the scriptures to "prove" what they believe is the truth - the others now are a cult and in heresy.
Some even in the Greek scholar groups try to use "what seminary they went to to show they are superior to another group". Here is another one : "My Greek teacher is better then your Greek teacher."
I post the same things sometimes because I believe the truth is the same that is in them and I believe they are appropriate for the situation. I don't believe anyone knows all things as we ought to. I post in a thread for the new readers that most likely have never seen it. Every day there are 10x times the amount of people not-registered that are reading these posts.
What is truth to some becomes evil to another person because it exposes some things.
For example : there are people that believe that being a homosexual is just part of a person's make-up. A preacher comes around and declares that homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle that is contrary to the life of Christ and it will destroy you. The homosexual that believes it's ok to be that way gets their belief system exposed and thus they get angry and "in the name of standing for the truth" - they condemn the preacher who brought the light of God's quality of life. This light exposed what is in them to begin with.
As many have told you before - you are entitled to your opinions but to call others that differ in their opinions from you a "cult" and "in heresy" is name-calling and is slander. We can try to dress it up to look piously pretty but the reality is - it is causing strife and division which is why CC has asked to not engage in speaking a certain term - which some still consistently violate.
I do also realize that some have been mis-treated in the past and thus there is a tendency to get emotional on some subjects. I don't agree with everything any denomination or minister agrees with. There are things in all the "camps" that I don't agree with but I'm not going to slander them with my malice and bitterness.
I and others will continue to speak of the love and grace of our loving Father and speak of the beauty of our Lord and what He has done for us. 2 Timothy 3:12
The Lord bless you as you walk in union and communion with Him. The Lord is good and His mercy endures forever. I always speak your name before the Father when you come up in my mind. One day we will be free of this corruptible earth suit and take on an immortal body filled with the manifestation of the life of God. Good true thoughts to think about....
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I quoted from Scripture a description of a person known to be a fool, I would encourage you to avoid being one. I also would not stoop so low as to quote Jesus against Scripture, because in fact you would be condemning the Lord for singling such a person out as a fool.
you sure do seem to think you have some kind of privelege the rest of us do not have
I find that a major reason to have no concern for what you think
you would not stoop so low as to quote Jesus?
but it's ok to hurl Proverbs at others. the hypocrisy is evident and it seems following Washer has hurt your testimony
stop threatening and warning. it's really immature and all part of the manipulation tactics used by those who are not led by the Holy Spirit
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manipulation is a false authority and does not come from God
using scripture to try and shut someone up is not from God
I have seen this done so many times and it is always ok for the manipulator to use it against you, but if you stand up to them and demonstrate an unwillingness to capitulate, then they label you as a rebel and will go so far as to tell others you need prayer
I truly find this a disgusting tactic and let the wise hear and understand. don't do this. it is from the pit.
using scripture to try and shut someone up is not from God
I have seen this done so many times and it is always ok for the manipulator to use it against you, but if you stand up to them and demonstrate an unwillingness to capitulate, then they label you as a rebel and will go so far as to tell others you need prayer
I truly find this a disgusting tactic and let the wise hear and understand. don't do this. it is from the pit.
I agree. It is called a work of the flesh. It is spiritual witchcraft and it is a work of the flesh.
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Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.
In it's essence "it is the mixing of things together to get a desired result". This is where we get the word for pharmaceuticals which is the mixing of substances to effect a desired change in the body.
The family of words from which we get our English word [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmacy[/FONT] is derived from the Greek word [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakeuō[/FONT] which means “to mix potions or poison.” The term also refers to the practice of magic. Thus [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakeia[/FONT] (also spelled [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakia[/FONT]) refers to the practice of the arts associated with magic, which in the time of the New Testament involved the use of potions or drugs
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.
In it's essence "it is the mixing of things together to get a desired result". This is where we get the word for pharmaceuticals which is the mixing of substances to effect a desired change in the body.