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Thank you for another fine post Grace777 .
I'll ask you and anyone else here who reads this ... How do we Christians deal with other Christians who don't agree with us and are even against us??? Some are just even angry with the way we are led by the Holy Spirit and how we share His Word with others. How are we supposed to react?
I've often and still do at times want to come back with some smart Alec words and ZAP back. But remember how after I did it gave me no joy. I still can think of words I'd like to say but I know they are not blessed by God.
I've watched the latest politics on tv this last election and saw the way the media presents the news. I've concurred they report false news. And the way they take someone's words and twist them is shameless. Or even if they only present part of what someone said they know the way to down their opponent with few words and it looks like they didn't do it at all.
Innuendo is used a lot. Casting doubt on someone's reputation is so easy. Sometimes just the accusation is enough. When I remember this kind of character assassination I find it much easier to not answer back when someone accuses me of something I'm not guilty of. There is no sweetness in revenge like the world says. It later is like something rotting inside and it makes us sick.
The written word and the tongue have the power to do major damage. We are warned about it being a such a little member like the small wheel that steers great ships or bits in big horses mouths. The tongue is set on fire in hell. I see how on the news many people who were loved by many are now hated based on words.
Do I want to be a part of that kind of use of my tongue or my words written? No.
I've often and still do at times want to come back with some smart Alec words and ZAP back. But remember how after I did it gave me no joy. I still can think of words I'd like to say but I know they are not blessed by God.
I've watched the latest politics on tv this last election and saw the way the media presents the news. I've concurred they report false news. And the way they take someone's words and twist them is shameless. Or even if they only present part of what someone said they know the way to down their opponent with few words and it looks like they didn't do it at all.
Innuendo is used a lot. Casting doubt on someone's reputation is so easy. Sometimes just the accusation is enough. When I remember this kind of character assassination I find it much easier to not answer back when someone accuses me of something I'm not guilty of. There is no sweetness in revenge like the world says. It later is like something rotting inside and it makes us sick.
The written word and the tongue have the power to do major damage. We are warned about it being a such a little member like the small wheel that steers great ships or bits in big horses mouths. The tongue is set on fire in hell. I see how on the news many people who were loved by many are now hated based on words.
Do I want to be a part of that kind of use of my tongue or my words written? No.
Things can get heated up so I'd rather not interact with those that I know are very prone to getting upset and just post what I believe the scriptures say on a subject.
I believe in just stating what I believe the scriptures say and letting the Holy Spirit reveal Christ's beautiful work to us.
There are some that can discuss topics without calling you names and insulting you and trying to "lord it over your faith" with their supposedly superior training....etc. With these that do have respectful ways in their interaction it is often a great discussion because then we can see things from different angles.
Perhaps learn how to say things more accurately so that there is no mis-understanding. Between the discussions we can sometimes get a fuller revelation of a truth.
Unfortunately there are those that deceitfully say people are saying something else then what is really being said. These types I don't interact with as nothing good comes from it but strife and division.
This can happen to any of us.
Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
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and since I do not 100% agree with either view, I must be in cross fit training for yet another group to spring up
lonely at the top
I do not agree with everything you write; with the notable item of not long ago, but you are certainly not a cultist
seems the lone stranger likes to pass out labels
there are some odd things being washed up on the shore here.
storm out at sea I guess
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I have been saved since I was a cute little skinny kid
some pounds later and probably less cute, I have heard more than I want to, lived through religious gobbledegook that I won't even talk about unless I really trust you, and been to quite a few different denoms
oh no worries. I believe all the Bible says. I just do not believe all everyone says about the Bible
I tried falling away from the faith and then realized it was the people I wanted to fall away from
God is good!
what do I think of Jesus' words?
He said alot more than those verses and partial quotes. I try to grasp ALL that He said. It's a lifetime achievement award I'm working towards and thankfully, God hands out the awards
some pounds later and probably less cute, I have heard more than I want to, lived through religious gobbledegook that I won't even talk about unless I really trust you, and been to quite a few different denoms
oh no worries. I believe all the Bible says. I just do not believe all everyone says about the Bible
I tried falling away from the faith and then realized it was the people I wanted to fall away from
God is good!
what do I think of Jesus' words?
He said alot more than those verses and partial quotes. I try to grasp ALL that He said. It's a lifetime achievement award I'm working towards and thankfully, God hands out the awards
and since I do not 100% agree with either view, I must be in cross fit training for yet another group to spring up
lonely at the top
I do not agree with everything you write; with the notable item of not long ago, but you are certainly not a cultist
seems the lone stranger likes to pass out labels
there are some odd things being washed up on the shore here.
storm out at sea I guess
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lonely at the top
I do not agree with everything you write; with the notable item of not long ago, but you are certainly not a cultist
seems the lone stranger likes to pass out labels
there are some odd things being washed up on the shore here.
storm out at sea I guess
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( I'll even give them a scripture they can use - "Those who are not for Me are against Me." - then of course there is the obligatory "You have itching ears" and are teaching doctrines of devils and are the sign of the apostasy that is to come...
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LOL..Too bad you are not well known yet - they could make a "heretic" website dedicated to your supposedly "luke-warmness".
( I'll even give them a scripture they can use - "Those who are not for Me are against Me." - then of course there is the obligatory "You have itching ears" and are teaching doctrines of devils and are the sign of the apostasy that is to come....)
( I'll even give them a scripture they can use - "Those who are not for Me are against Me." - then of course there is the obligatory "You have itching ears" and are teaching doctrines of devils and are the sign of the apostasy that is to come...
.)
I'm gonna give everyone a tough time so I can't be pegged
mheh heh heh
I think some people here need to watch more cartoons to iron out some of their coiled tighter than a bedspring personalities
oh? people are saying I am lukewarm? that's really quite funny
In all fairness some people have been abused by others in the body of Christ so some subjects are very sensitive to them. This doesn't necessarily mean that the others are wrong or that they are wrong either. Everyone is to have their own faith before God and for me as long as it is centered in Christ and what He has already done. It's good.
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honestly?
sometimes all I see when I try to read some of those charter Christian posts, all I see is :
'I I blah blah I blah blah blah I I I I I I blah blah blah and so that means you need to listen to me'
there are a few in this thread of that genre
of course there will be disagreements. wouldn't it be some kind of dull if there were not
but the steamroller types need to get a life. check with the universe. the universe is not hanging on our every word
sometimes all I see when I try to read some of those charter Christian posts, all I see is :
'I I blah blah I blah blah blah I I I I I I blah blah blah and so that means you need to listen to me'
there are a few in this thread of that genre
of course there will be disagreements. wouldn't it be some kind of dull if there were not
but the steamroller types need to get a life. check with the universe. the universe is not hanging on our every word
I just thought of two other sources that is sometimes used as the "standard of truth".
Commentaries.
I personally love to read from commentaries and have about 1/2 dozen or so that I regularly view on some subject. There is an inherent problem with going by commentaries to determine truth - they can be giving out what their denomination has taught them in the past and so we "could be" in another church tradition type of situation be perpetuated.
Commentaries are basically what the author himself thinks about a passage or certain doctrine which is absolutely fine. I find that I get a part from one and a part from a different commentary and the Spirit of God uses them all in some aspect to reveal what He is speaking to me about.
The other one is Greek/Hebrew dictionaries. I find that they too can "sometimes add" their comments to what the actual meaning of the Greek words are which may or may not be entirely true. They "add" their "application" of the meaning of the words - which is fine. But I believe we need to be aware of such things too.
I absolutely love to read the meanings of words in the Greek/Hebrew dictionaries and glean many things that have helped me to grow in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Personally I believe all Christians should be reading the original words as technology has been made available the tools needed to do this - and you don't need to go to seminary to do this elementary study. If you don't use these tools you are "in serious error" and qualify for "cult status".
( just kidding - using the play on the term being in error just in case you don't agree with me... )
In my opinion - Without the revelation of the Holy Spirit revealing the things of God to us - we can easily create our own religion that displaces the work of Christ in our lives and thus nullify the grace of God that is available for us for life and living.
Commentaries.
I personally love to read from commentaries and have about 1/2 dozen or so that I regularly view on some subject. There is an inherent problem with going by commentaries to determine truth - they can be giving out what their denomination has taught them in the past and so we "could be" in another church tradition type of situation be perpetuated.
Commentaries are basically what the author himself thinks about a passage or certain doctrine which is absolutely fine. I find that I get a part from one and a part from a different commentary and the Spirit of God uses them all in some aspect to reveal what He is speaking to me about.
The other one is Greek/Hebrew dictionaries. I find that they too can "sometimes add" their comments to what the actual meaning of the Greek words are which may or may not be entirely true. They "add" their "application" of the meaning of the words - which is fine. But I believe we need to be aware of such things too.
I absolutely love to read the meanings of words in the Greek/Hebrew dictionaries and glean many things that have helped me to grow in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Personally I believe all Christians should be reading the original words as technology has been made available the tools needed to do this - and you don't need to go to seminary to do this elementary study. If you don't use these tools you are "in serious error" and qualify for "cult status".
( just kidding - using the play on the term being in error just in case you don't agree with me...
)In my opinion - Without the revelation of the Holy Spirit revealing the things of God to us - we can easily create our own religion that displaces the work of Christ in our lives and thus nullify the grace of God that is available for us for life and living.
Ahhhhhh the commentaries!!!! Well, personally I loove the commentaries!! I have the Ryrie study Bible and commentary that I enjoy a whole lot. Not in agreement with all Mr.Ryrie says but do agree with his basics. Since I sort of kind of have some word of faith smattering sort of kind of.... I believe in the gifts for today among other things. Mr. Ryrie would turn over in his grave (strictly a play on words too) He is joyfully in heaven with Jesus.
Unlike you dear brother Grace777 I'm of the pre-trib side of things and happy to be. I'm in agreement and find Ryrie's interpretations on the end times very helpful. Have not gotten into the original languages and have no plans to at this point. I'm learning so much now my brain wouldn't handle more now.
That's one of the reasons reading different commentaries is interesting and helpful. Taking the basics of what was taught some 35 yrs ago and learning how to see the love and grace of God in Christ and adjusting my doctrine in light of the Cross and the new covenant of grace. It's GREAT. I know there is so much more but right now my cup is filled to overflowing every day.
And yes!!!! Without the Holy Spirit revealing truth to us by using the Word that has already been sown in our hearts as well as His amazing gracious reminders of how much we are loved and then we can't help but respond in love in return. Yes, very much agree with what you say here. People can't understand why all of us Christians are not totally the same. Why you don't understand the rapture the way I do and why I don't understand your love for the languages. I'm not supposed to thoroughly convince you in your own mind and vs/vs That is the Holy Spirit's job and He is doing a fine job on you Grace777. I'm confident in His ability to lead you into all truth. Just as He is for me.
and since I do not 100% agree with either view, I must be in cross fit training for yet another group to spring up
lonely at the top
I do not agree with everything you write; with the notable item of not long ago, but you are certainly not a cultist
seems the lone stranger likes to pass out labels
there are some odd things being washed up on the shore here.
storm out at sea I guess
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lonely at the top
I do not agree with everything you write; with the notable item of not long ago, but you are certainly not a cultist
seems the lone stranger likes to pass out labels
there are some odd things being washed up on the shore here.
storm out at sea I guess
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Well, thank you for that sevenseas.
What? You disagree with me about some aspects of the end times? Gasp!
( it's a wonder that the earth doesn't open up and swallow you for your "cultish" thoughts... )
( it's a wonder that the earth doesn't open up and swallow you for your "cultish" thoughts...
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[FONT="]Well, this teaching on the rapture is an old one where many old geezer fundamentalists reside including Scoifield (excuse the spelling) We were raised in a church that revered Matthew Henry after all!. So I can't see those heretic hunters coming for me based on something good ol Matthew Henry believed too. They'd come for me based on Pastor J. Prince. That I could see. [/FONT]
Well, this teaching on the rapture is an old one where many old geezer fundamentalists reside including Scoifield (excuse the spelling) We were raised in a church that revered Matthew Henry after all!. So I can't see those heretic hunters coming for me based on something good ol Matthew Henry believed too. They'd come for me based on Pastor J. Prince. That I could see.
Mark 7:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."
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Well, thank you for that sevenseas.
you know
before it became popular to buy a new hat for Easter and parade around
what goes around
I happen to really like Joyce Meyer and people keep saying she is word of faith but really she is not
now she may have been years ago, I don't know. but I find her very practical and encouraging and even my ultra conservative husband says she is good
of course after being married to me, he had to loosen up a bit or get broken hahahahahaha
but he knew what he was getting into. fair warning and all that but I don't think he was listening at the time LOL!
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Admitting you like Joyce puts you in a certain category here at CC.
I've listened to Joyce for a lot of years and have many of her CDs and DVDs. There were days and weeks God used her encouraging messages about His unconditional love that got me through some very hard times. Her book The Battlefield of the Mind continues to be a major breakthrough for lots of Christians on how to begin to think right. She has been a fantastic therapist for many hurting Christians without even intending to. God has really used her in the world for people to get untangled out of some major stinking thinking.
For all the years I listened to her I never once heard her say anything heretical. After hearing so many of the things she taught all the way through to the end I knew the accusations about her were not true. But you can't get some people to even listen past their own set opinions. As far as being word of faith? I have no idea since that accusation has come to mean a bunch of mish mash to me. And many people I respect are accused of the same "horror" so it can't be bad at all imo.
I've come to consider the word of faith accusation one I no longer reject. Your husband sounds like a very smart and kind man. Some men won't even listen to Joyce for even a minute because they think she is usurping the authority of her husband. How sad is that?! She is a good wife and teaches other woman to also submit to their husbands as the leader in the home. That's pretty major for a woman to say today.
Have you seen the video on youtube that her adult children made of her when they were growing up? It's good for lots of belly laughs. Check it out.
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People that follow Washer,Piper, Johnny,Chan and their ilk are closer to cult mentality IMO. At least the folks who seem to lean towards word of faith on this forum are not saying," You are really not saved if you don't believe how I<I<I>I do it."
Salvation is by Grace through faith. PERIOD. And Washer and his ilk say,"It is by grace, BUT........."
Salvation is by Grace through faith. PERIOD. And Washer and his ilk say,"It is by grace, BUT........."