We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

[Spokenpassage]

It seems a lot of people on this site argue about grace of God and the law of Moses.

This is just my personal belief of what I have learned from the Word of God. Once Jesus fulfilled the law, it disappeared. Many people argue that it is equivalent to it being destroyed. Actually fulfillment means complete, and once a thing is completed, it no longer bears authority. Kinda like having a check list of things to buy at a store for an upcoming party, once it's checked off and paid for, that same list can be thrown away because it has been fulfilled - completed. Unless you want to keep the list, that's up to you I guess, it's no good.

Then the question next is - what standards of living guide your life? Well you see, the new covenant isn't just a new way of finding forgiveness, but a revolutionary act of change. Another law came in, and it is far better. Now you might ask, "if you take away the ten commandments, then are you living in sin?" Good question, if something tells you that, no we don't sin because in the new law, law of the spirit, we are taught the moral law spiritually.

In this new act of the Spirit, we are taught about a better way to keep the ten commandments. The new covenant is much more than an act of forgiveness through Christ's blood, it's a change of life and how one ought to live. If you live by this law. You will obey the moral righteousness of God.

This is just how I see it and how I've learned. If you have a totally different opinion, that's up to you. Thanks for letting me share this! I'm no teacher.

 

[RedTent]

I started this thread hoping that Christians would think about the law, and if it alone had any merit. None of these posts are talking about that. Herose especially is just repeating that we must not follow it, and that is not the question. The question has to do with if there is any value in following law. Does it help our life on this earth if we do not lie? Would our life be better if we followed the moral law?

 

[buckets]

place nothing before God. Grace is God's alone to give With Jesus in your heart you will keep the law. In Christ you are dead to sin.

 

[buckets]

I started this thread hoping that Christians would think about the law, and if it alone had any merit. None of these posts are talking about that. Herose especially is just repeating that we must not follow it, and that is not the question. The question has to do with if there is any value in following law. Does it help our life on this earth if we do not lie? Would our life be better if we followed the moral law?

You can not accept Jesus and lie.
In Jesus you are dead to sin.
Jesus said love as you are loved.
Lying is not love

 

[RedTent]

It seems a lot of people on this site argue about grace of God and the law of Moses.

This is just my personal belief of what I have learned from the Word of God. Once Jesus fulfilled the law, it disappeared. Many people argue that it is equivalent to it being destroyed. Actually fulfillment means complete, and once a thing is completed, it no longer bears authority. Kinda like having a check list of things to buy at a store for an upcoming party, once it's checked off and paid for, that same list can be thrown away because it has been fulfilled - completed. Unless you want to keep the list, that's up to you I guess, it's no good.

Then the question next is - what standards of living guide your life? Well you see, the new covenant isn't just a new way of finding forgiveness, but a revolutionary act of change. Another law came in, and it is far better. Now you might ask, "if you take away the ten commandments, then are you living in sin?" Good question, if something tells you that, no we don't sin because in the new law, law of the spirit, we are taught the moral law spiritually.

In this new act of the Spirit, we are taught about a better way to keep the ten commandments. The new covenant is much more than an act of forgiveness through Christ's blood, it's a change of life and how one ought to live. If you live by this law. You will obey the moral righteousness of God.

This is just how I see it and how I've learned. If you have a totally different opinion, that's up to you. Thanks for letting me share this! I'm no teacher.

You are making sense, except I think you conclusions are still wrong. About throwing something away when it is fulfilled, I don't think God means for us to do that. I bead, sew, and oil paint, etc. When I get done with a project, as Christ did when he filled out the law to make it both doing and believing, I wouldn't think of throwing it out.

It is the same way with the new law. It can be compared with an underpainting of an oil I do. It is the foundation for my finished painting, an outline. I would not scrub this off my canvass to finish the painting, any more than God scrubs out all the 4,000 years of preparation for Christ.

 

[Isdaniel]

I started this thread hoping that Christians would think about the law, and if it alone had any merit. None of these posts are talking about that. Herose especially is just repeating that we must not follow it, and that is not the question. The question has to do with if there is any value in following law. Does it help our life on this earth if we do not lie? Would our life be better if we followed the moral law?

you will always get this from the law breakers thats all i have to say

great peace have they which love thy law

Praise be to the The Great Lawgiver

 

[RedTent]

You can not accept Jesus and lie.
In Jesus you are dead to sin.
Jesus said love as you are loved.
Lying is not love

I am in Jesus. Hourly I renew my mind in Him. I felt angry with my daughter today, so I am not dead to sin. I have known many wonderful Christians, but I have not known one that did not need the discipline of the law as well as the spirit of Jesus.

 

[buckets]

I am in Jesus. Hourly I renew my mind in Him. I felt angry with my daughter today, so I am not dead to sin. I have known many wonderful Christians, but I have not known one that did not need the discipline of the law as well as the spirit of Jesus.

We all sin. David wrote this in Psalms
Christ said in Him we are dead to sin.
Wasn't questioning your faith, I promise.
If the law reminds us of what God wants that is good.
If we follow what Christ said we can not break the law.

The law is God's word. It is of value.

Yet in following Christ's simple instructions to love, all of the law would be upheld.

That was all I meant. I don't like to write too much, one can make mistakes. But in writing too little one can be missunderstood.

I like that you said hourly! Jesus loves to hear from us

 

[Karraster]

You are making sense, except I think you conclusions are still wrong. About throwing something away when it is fulfilled, I don't think God means for us to do that. I bead, sew, and oil paint, etc. When I get done with a project, as Christ did when he filled out the law to make it both doing and believing, I wouldn't think of throwing it out.

It is the same way with the new law. It can be compared with an underpainting of an oil I do. It is the foundation for my finished painting, an outline. I would not scrub this off my canvass to finish the painting, any more than God scrubs out all the 4,000 years of preparation for Christ.

RedTent that was a beautiful way to explain your position. It seems to me the world is becoming more distinctly divided on this topic. If the fact that Christ Himself wrote the ten commandments in stone, placed it inside the ark, is now in heaven, has written it on our hearts, followed it Himself as a man on Earth, the Apostles followed it also, and the law will be in effect forever in the new Heaven and Earth, doesn't say something, I don't know what more to add. Except, reading here on CC opened my eyes. One of your post particularly got my attention when you chided me for reading something into the Bible that wasn't there. Thank you for that! It was regarding Cain and Abel, where I was questioning and you made me see more clearly, that was about the blood sacrifice and obeying God. Be encouraged, some are reading here that still want to learn!

 

[Crazylove]

The law of Moses was nailed to the cross. It was temporary, Moses was the mediator from God to th people (Jesus is now th mediator), law of Moses was placed beside th ark (not a permanent spot). We thankfully don't have 613 laws to know and abide by, we do have 10. The 10 commandments r th ones we still hav to abide by and that Jesus made even more(anger in heart=murder; lust=adultery). These r permanent because God enforce theses before they were even set, God himself wrote them 2x's and spoke them to th people Himself. they were placed inside the ark, and r now written in our heart. Realized I said ALL 10, not just 9 of them... God Himself enforced all of them even b4 He wrote and spoke them in Exodus, the Sabbath was enforced even b4 th fall of man.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law[SUP]H8451=Torah [/SUP]of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Psa 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law[SUP]H8451=Torah.[/SUP]

Exo 12:49 One law[SUP]H8451=Torah[/SUP] shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Zec 7:12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law [SUP]H8451=Torah[/SUP], and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.

And after 2000 years, there are still those who refuse to keep the law. They are no different than the hypocrites Jesus criticized. John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

RedTent, you ask what is the benefit of keeping the law today? One simple word...."UNITY".

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I started this thread hoping that Christians would think about the law, and if it alone had any merit. None of these posts are talking about that. Herose especially is just repeating that we must not follow it, and that is not the question. The question has to do with if there is any value in following law. Does it help our life on this earth if we do not lie? Would our life be better if we followed the moral law?

The law can not be kept by man and be accepted by GOD,unless the LORD builds the house,the workers labor in vain.Only grace provided through faith in the finished work of JESUS can men be made perfect(in their conscience).

 

[Spokenpassage]

You are making sense, except I think you conclusions are still wrong. About throwing something away when it is fulfilled, I don't think God means for us to do that. I bead, sew, and oil paint, etc. When I get done with a project, as Christ did when he filled out the law to make it both doing and believing, I wouldn't think of throwing it out.

It is the same way with the new law. It can be compared with an underpainting of an oil I do. It is the foundation for my finished painting, an outline. I would not scrub this off my canvass to finish the painting, any more than God scrubs out all the 4,000 years of preparation for Christ.

Interesting way to think about it. But I can see why so many disagree with you on that. Do you believe that there is no distinction between new covenant and old covenant?

A lot of people here seem to get radical on both sides, condemning each other.

I don't think we should follow the law of Moses. I truly believe the law written on our hearts is the Holy Spirit. That's the law I believe we should follow. It would seem harsh for God to add more to the old law, since the law itself is a burden to us, especially for those trying to keep it the best they can.

I think one of the reason a lot of people are against the idea of following the old law, because it's a form of religious obedience instead of spiritual. What do you think about this redtent, give me your personal opinion?

 

[nathan3]

If Someone is trying to convince you Gods law is bad ; that person is ignorant of Gods Word.

Why would you listen to fools when our very Lord and Savior of our souls says: He dose Not change not even one Jot of the law?

Better get into Gods words and learn the difference. Between mans sayings ( lies) , and what is Gods Words.

Beacase mens traditions will lead you to hell..

 

[nathan3]

If someone says they recived some great truth from God; and you don't. find what they; say in Gods Word; mark that person because they are a liar and a false prophet. A liar an a false Prophet.

Know what Gods word says so you can know the difference

Better get into Gods words and learn the difference. Between mans sayings ( lies) , and what is Gods Words.

Beacase mens traditions will lead you into a bed with Satan.

 

[BibleReaderFloridaUSA]

These posts on cc has explored Jesus without the law endlessly. Many say it works fine. Scripture tells us the law shows us our need for Jesus.

Now lets explore how the law works without Jesus. That should tell us if God wants us to add the law to Jesus.

It was given as a sort of constitution for the new country for Joshua to start. They didn’t follow it very well, but still it created a world of safety where even babies were killed in other places.

I don’t know anyone trying to keep law, so I used books to explore this. Liz Harris reports on how Hasidic Jews live, and says it makes for a good life. I went to history to find these laws were what kept the Jewish population in the middle ages functioning, and also leading the Christian communities in devotion to God when there was little.

We have scripture after scripture telling us the law is good, the law is holy, and telling us to obey. We know all scripture points to the same truth, yet poster after poster uses verses to tell us not to listen to law. If the law was given by God, if what is given by God is spiritual truth, how could it be that spiritual truth could say that spiritual truth is wrong?

Listen to and understand the words of Jesus Himself. "[h=1]King James Version (KJV) Matthew 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."[/h]Also, don't think that those who do break it will be in the kingdom of heaven, but they may be remembered for those deeds.

 

[4enlightment]

These posts on cc has explored Jesus without the law endlessly. Many say it works fine. Scripture tells us the law shows us our need for Jesus.

Now lets explore how the law works without Jesus. That should tell us if God wants us to add the law to Jesus.

It was given as a sort of constitution for the new country for Joshua to start. They didn’t follow it very well, but still it created a world of safety where even babies were killed in other places.

I don’t know anyone trying to keep law, so I used books to explore this. Liz Harris reports on how Hasidic Jews live, and says it makes for a good life. I went to history to find these laws were what kept the Jewish population in the middle ages functioning, and also leading the Christian communities in devotion to God when there was little.

We have scripture after scripture telling us the law is good, the law is holy, and telling us to obey. We know all scripture points to the same truth, yet poster after poster uses verses to tell us not to listen to law. If the law was given by God, if what is given by God is spiritual truth, how could it be that spiritual truth could say that spiritual truth is wrong?

Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’

Matthew 5:44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,


James 1:20because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.

Galatians 5:22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Matthew 7:19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

 

[nathan3]

Hebrews 10:26
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For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,



Sin is to go against Gods Laws.

 

[4enlightment]

Hebrews 10:26
.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,



Sin is to go against Gods Laws.

Sin is to go against the ways of God. So if you hate someone, you are doing what your father desired you to do. The laws were just the starting point to maturity.

Leviticus 19:18“‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Matthew 5:22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Matthew 5:44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Matthew 5:46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?


John 8:44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

1 Chronicles 28:9“And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Ephesians 4:13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

 

[Josh321]

[h=3]Romans 13:8-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.



[h=3]Galatians 5:14[/h]King James Version (KJV)

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


but hey i guess this isn't enough for people right? they tell God, i don't care what your word says i'm going to keep the sabbath in order to be " saved " despite you said that the entire law is fulfilled by Love, it's all in vain, look at cain and abel for example with the gifts they offer, God did not accept cains gift he wanted to add a little extra and make it " special " instead of sticking to what God REALLY wanted some of you should learn from that.