We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

[zone]

Sorry, wine skins, or bottles in KJV are the promises/covenants. His Words are contained within them. The old agreement didn't work because of man's failures to hold up to the agreement that was made. Another way to look at it would be for a person to agree on what a lawyer had written, then then failed to follow through with the legal contract. It isn't the words/or wine that failed, or the containment of the words as a whole, it's the person who failed to live up to the agreement. The human race is neither the skins or the wine. Therefore the wine in the old skins still exist, but in order to complete that which was ordained from the beginning, new wine is made, and put into a different container for safe keeping. Both are safe to drink, but because of the new, we drink the old wine first.

Leviticus 26:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

Song of Songs 7:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 John 2:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

The wine in the old wine skin is meant to be drunk because of the new wine

sorry....look again at the entire chapter...the context is the Bridegroom; His being with them; and His leaving soon: i.e. "fasting"

Jesus was already speaking to the Pharisees in parables.

this is what The Pharisees did not, and still can not receive:

John 13
A New Command I Give You
33"Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, 'Where I am going, you cannot come.' 34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

 

[just-me]

sorry....look again at the entire chapter...the context is the Bridegroom; His being with them; and His leaving soon: i.e. "fasting"

Jesus was already speaking to the Pharisees in parables.

this is what The Pharisees did not, and still can not receive:

John 13
A New Command I Give You
33"Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, 'Where I am going, you cannot come.' 34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

He didn't say I give you a new commandment to replace the old ones. I have old shirts and new shirts, even shows. If they are good, I still wear both old and new but not at the same time. The wine is the important stuff. I'll drink them both, but I will do it modestly as to not choke. Can't drink out of two containers at once.

 

[Apostol2013]

One should not grieve another brother over them chosinv to keep a sabbath but if they are teaching it is obligatory to do and for salvation . Then it is a heretic doctrine but he that is righteous let him be righteous , and he that is filthy let him be filthy , for our Lord is coming soon to render each according to their works and we the bride say come amen

 

[zone]

He didn't say I give you a new commandment to replace the old ones. I have old shirts and new shirts, even shows. If they are good, I still wear both old and new but not at the same time. The wine is the important stuff. I'll drink them both, but I will do it modestly as to not choke. Can't drink out of two containers at once.

well just look how quickly Levi dropped everything.
and look at the large feast and who was there.
and who is grumbling?

Jesus says:

Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.

wait...why was he saying that to the Pharisees?


Luke 5
Jesus Calls Levi
27After this he went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax booth. And he said to him, “Follow me.” 28And leaving everything, he rose and followed him.

29And Levi made him a great feast in his house, and there was a large company of tax collectors and others reclining at table with them. 30And the Pharisees and their scribes grumbled at his disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” 31And Jesus answered them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 32I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”

A Question About Fasting
33And they said to him, “The disciples of John fast often and offer prayers, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours eat and drink.” 34And Jesus said to them, “Can you make wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them? 35The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in those days.” 36He also told them a parable: “No one tears a piece from a new garment and puts it on an old garment. If he does, he will tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. 37And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled, and the skins will be destroyed. 38But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. 39And no one after drinking old wine desires new, for he says, ‘The old is good.’”

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John 13
A New Command I Give You
33"Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, 'Where I am going, you cannot come.' 34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

simple.
the very thing He kept saying the Pharisees could not and did not understand.
by then He was already speaking in to them, in parables.

k...see ya.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the wineskins are very specifically those people Jesus was addressing.

the old wineskins could not receive the new wine without breaking.
it's really straightforward.

too much freedom to handle. look at the context.

the new wine was poured into new skins, and the new wine and the new skins were thereby preserved.
the prostitutes and the tax collectors were entering the kingdom before the Pharisees, who Jesus said were not entering.

That's it exactly. Those seeking to please GOD without faith (or little faith) feel threatened by the freedom that GOD gives us in the holy spirit. The scandal of the cross.

 

[4enlightment]

He didn't say I give you a new commandment to replace the old ones. I have old shirts and new shirts, even shows. If they are good, I still wear both old and new but not at the same time. The wine is the important stuff. I'll drink them both, but I will do it modestly as to not choke. Can't drink out of two containers at once.

Romans 7:6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Romans 8:2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:5Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Romans 8:6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

John 10:34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?

Jesus has to use what was written in the scriptures as proof or as a reference to shed some light onto what He was saying. Since Jesus was the Truth, and they couldn't comprehend what He was saying, and so He use the scriptures as a back-up to the ones that only listen to what was written. But the people couldn't even understand what the meanings or the purpose of the laws. They were ignorant to the spiritual aspect of the laws, and which that is why He has given us the Holy Spirit, so that we can have spiritual understanding and which it is the true way to understand the laws.

Matthew 16:11How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”

John 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

Matthew 13:13This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

Matthew 13:15
For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’


Matthew 11:15Whoever has ears, let them hear.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That's it exactly. Those seeking to please GOD without faith (or little faith) feel threatened by the freedom that GOD gives us in the holy spirit. The scandal of the cross.

And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased. Galatians 5:11​

Offence
G4625 σκάνδαλον skandalon (skan'-dal-on) n.
1. a trap-stick (bent sapling)

Scandal
Origin: 1175–1225; < Late Latin scandalum < Late Greek skándalon snare,

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:30-33

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompense unto them: Romans 11:7-9​

 

[just-me]

Jesus has to use what was written in the scriptures as proof or as a reference to shed some light onto what He was saying. Since Jesus was the Truth, and they couldn't comprehend what He was saying, and so He use the scriptures as a back-up to the ones that only listen to what was written. But the people couldn't even understand what the meanings or the purpose of the laws. They were ignorant to the spiritual aspect of the laws, and which that is why He has given us the Holy Spirit, so that we can have spiritual understanding and which it is the true way to understand the laws.

Good points that you make.

John 5:43-47 (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

 

[Isdaniel]

Its the law

The Seal of the United States

The seal of the United States, as in the fore going diagram, gives the name of the first President, his office, and the territory over which he presides.

The Seal of God

Elohim - Creator - Heaven and earth. The seal of God, is the same. It gives the one in authority, His office and also the territory over which He presides. This seal is found in the law of God. A seal is inseparable from law. You remove the fourth commandment from the ten, and there is no authority left in the code of law.

The Seal of God in the Forehead

Asthe saved ones are being sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads, those traveling the broad way of the world are receiving the mark of the beast in their foreheads. This angel saying with a "LOUD VOICE," having the seal of God, is spoken of also as the - "Loud Voice Angel" - in Revelation 14:9, the third angel, who also gives the warning against beast worship, and receiving his mark in their foreheads and their hands to drink of the wine of the wrath of God, the seven last plagues (Rev. 15:1, and 16:1).

The Holy Spirit is the power that does the sealing, by placing the "Seal of God" in the foreheads of the pure in heart. The Holy Spirit is not the seal, but it is the power by which the sealing is done. Just as the seal of state or nation is placed on a document to make it legal by the one who transacts the business, so is "The Seal of God" placed in the forehead, or in the mind of the person, by the Holy Spirit.

The seal of state is placed on the document by a machine operated by the man. The seal is not the machine or the manand so is also the seal of God something different from the Holy Spirit that does the work of sealing.
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[chubbena]

hi chubbena
i'm sorry. i was certain you said circumcision was the bondage referred to.



Acts 15
4When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. 5But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

6The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.

10Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

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are you saying the Jews and their forefathers were not able to bear the yoke of circumcision?

It's painful to have the foreskin removed as an adult. If the OT has already said circumcision of the heart is preferable to that of the flesh then insisting circumcision of the flesh is indeed a yoke.
It's not the whole law in the context otherwise it would imply that God saved Israelites from the bondage of Egypt only to put them under another bondage.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It's painful to have the foreskin removed as an adult. If the OT has already said circumcision of the heart is preferable to that of the flesh then insisting circumcision of the flesh is indeed a yoke.
It's not the whole law in the context otherwise it would imply that God saved Israelites from the bondage of Egypt only to put them under another bondage.

But Peter said that neither they (the Hebrew disciples) nor their fathers were able to bear the yoke. They were all circumcised when they were 8 days old.

Whoever circumcised them must have done a really bad hack job for them to have been in so much pain when they were grown men. Or perhaps it was phantom pain from having lost a part of their body. Maybe it was just emotional scars from the trauma of being separated from their foreskin. </sarc>