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This is what I would like to bring the attention of the Christian family to find the truth. It is a new idea that the same God with exactly the same message spoke the new testament and in the old testament. The Hebrew Roots movement is bringing that idea forward. and in there commentaries they show how they are the same from the same God.
The established church is against that idea, it is only people who truly study the word who embrace it. They are being attacked. The attack centers this "judaizer"
To be a Judaizer you would need to try to live as Jews live. Because the Jews have only the old testament scripture, and the new movement includes the old testament, even some that men have decided to exclude from scripture, they use that to stand behind their accusing. To be a Judaizer, you would need to promote fleshly circumcision, diet control, and how far you can travel on a sabbath. That is not what this movement is about. This movement is about knowing the true God, the God of all time---eternal time.
The established church is against that idea, it is only people who truly study the word who embrace it. They are being attacked. The attack centers this "judaizer"
To be a Judaizer you would need to try to live as Jews live. Because the Jews have only the old testament scripture, and the new movement includes the old testament, even some that men have decided to exclude from scripture, they use that to stand behind their accusing. To be a Judaizer, you would need to promote fleshly circumcision, diet control, and how far you can travel on a sabbath. That is not what this movement is about. This movement is about knowing the true God, the God of all time---eternal time.
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After reading the about section of several hebrew roots movement churches, this is what I learned. They desire to join the Christian Church and the Israelites as one body, they advocate keeping the Sabbath laws, and the feast days.
Here is a quote, "Most people don’t realize that the Christianity that they are taught in their churches is Greco-Roman Christianity. "
Another quote, " We believe that this is part of the LORD’s plan to prepare the Church for His return."
"Teach believers in Yeshua / Jesus as the Messiah to express their faith in Him by following His Torah (love Him and keep His commandments: John 14:15 and walk as He walked: I John 2:6)
Encourage believers in Yeshua / Jesus as the Messiah to keep the Biblical Sabbath and observe the Biblical Festivals (Leviticus 23)"
"Teach believers in Yeshua as the Messiah to love the Jewish people, the land of Israel and the city of Jerusalem".
This is the mission statementent from one site.
VISION: To unite the church and the children of Israel as one body.
MISSION: To educate the church to their Hebrew roots and embrace the old covenant as their birthright.
PURPOSE: To end the false doctrine of displacement theology, and place the church in their proper position for fulfillment of end time prophesies.
THE HOPE OF ONE BODY, THE CHURCH, AND CHILDREN OF ISRAEL
Here is a quote, "Most people don’t realize that the Christianity that they are taught in their churches is Greco-Roman Christianity. "
Another quote, " We believe that this is part of the LORD’s plan to prepare the Church for His return."
"Teach believers in Yeshua / Jesus as the Messiah to express their faith in Him by following His Torah (love Him and keep His commandments: John 14:15 and walk as He walked: I John 2:6)
Encourage believers in Yeshua / Jesus as the Messiah to keep the Biblical Sabbath and observe the Biblical Festivals (Leviticus 23)"
"Teach believers in Yeshua as the Messiah to love the Jewish people, the land of Israel and the city of Jerusalem".
This is the mission statementent from one site.
VISION: To unite the church and the children of Israel as one body.
MISSION: To educate the church to their Hebrew roots and embrace the old covenant as their birthright.
PURPOSE: To end the false doctrine of displacement theology, and place the church in their proper position for fulfillment of end time prophesies.
THE HOPE OF ONE BODY, THE CHURCH, AND CHILDREN OF ISRAEL
You are saying that we should not understand that it is the very sane God who does not change that is Christ and the Father based on what you believe about the feast days. Both you and the roots movement have scripture to back up what God wants of the feast days, but that the Lord does not change and is the same in the old and new testament is basic.
The feast days are only basic because they outline God's plan of salvation for us. But I don't think that your decision not to celebrate Christ in this way should be something to decide on the subject of whether or not it was the same God who told people to cut foreskin and told people not to cut foreskin. Scripture tells us to see the sameness of God, even in these two commands that change.
The feast days are only basic because they outline God's plan of salvation for us. But I don't think that your decision not to celebrate Christ in this way should be something to decide on the subject of whether or not it was the same God who told people to cut foreskin and told people not to cut foreskin. Scripture tells us to see the sameness of God, even in these two commands that change.
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Scripture is clear that the feasts and sabbaths are shadows of Christ to come, but the substance is Jesus. Paul is clear that those old feasts and moons and sabbaths are passed away when Jesus fulfilled them. Its not hard to understand. Especially when you understand who Jesus is and what he did, and how those feast days were shadows, that the whole temple system is gone; so much so that God allowed heathen monsters to utterly destroy the temple and scatter his people away from the temple and away from jerusalem. He even allowed heathens to confiscate the temple and place a pagan temple in its place, and scattered the hebrew people from there so they could no longer follow the temple laws. He made it impossible to keep those feast days and sabbaths and temple laws, to show that system to be over so that there is no excuse. You are a law breaker or you are in Christ who fulfilled the law in our stead.
We agree that the old testament is a shadow of Christ, although we do not agree about learning from those shadows, and also about the accuracy of the shadow. Shadow do not lie about what they shadow, they give a true outline. We are told we are to learn from them in many scriptures, and you seem to think that because Christ fulfilled all spoken of Him in these shadows we may not dispose of them. That is not scripture.
2 Timothy was written before there was a new testament and it tells us: 2 Tim. 3: 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Christ is the very same God in the old and in the new testament, God gave the old temple laws. It was not a different God who gave them, and God does not change His policies because the old temple was aa shadow of the new temple. God gave them both, we are to see the sameness in them rather simply dispose of one as not of God.
2 Timothy was written before there was a new testament and it tells us: 2 Tim. 3: 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Christ is the very same God in the old and in the new testament, God gave the old temple laws. It was not a different God who gave them, and God does not change His policies because the old temple was aa shadow of the new temple. God gave them both, we are to see the sameness in them rather simply dispose of one as not of God.
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I never said dispose of as if it were not of God. And if you have read anything I have ever said about the law then you would know that I agree that they teach us a lot. However there is no mandate or cause to observe them. Infact it is impossible for us to keep them because there is no temple, this make us transgressors, unless Jesus has fulfilled them in our stead. Which he has on my account. No need for me to attempt to present myself to the temple, because I have the scripture that I can read because they are useful, where attempting to keep a feast is not.
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Any attempt to keep the feast days would and could only be a partial attempt because per the law you must got to the temple and then the high priest would perform the ceremonial sacrifices, and offerings. So because you can not go to the temple step one of keeping the feasts is already violated. Step two would be the priest performing the ceremonies, and sacrifices, and offerings, there is no priest to do those actions, so now you are left with really nothing of the feast day at all. Except that your faith is in Jesus who fulfilled that for you, and is our high priest and has once for all performed the sacrifice. So there is nothing left to do but to read about them and learn how they point to Jesus and how he fulfilled them.
It's not hard. You either keep the law or you do not, if you fail in any part you fail in all. The temple is required in keeping them, along with the required sacrifices, and offerings.
It's not hard. You either keep the law or you do not, if you fail in any part you fail in all. The temple is required in keeping them, along with the required sacrifices, and offerings.
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When the Lord told us to celebrate Christ, and gave us the date to celebrate Christ on, it does NOT say you may not do this unless you are present at the temple.
I think you are getting this all mixed up in your mind with what the Lord tells us is obsolete. It is not obsolete to celebrate Christ, it is obsolete to go to the temple. We are not to take it on ourselves to create rules and say our rules are God's rules. We are to follow the Lord, not men, and never tell the Lord what to do.
I think you are getting this all mixed up in your mind with what the Lord tells us is obsolete. It is not obsolete to celebrate Christ, it is obsolete to go to the temple. We are not to take it on ourselves to create rules and say our rules are God's rules. We are to follow the Lord, not men, and never tell the Lord what to do.
What law are you going by? There is ceremonial law, the laws of nature, the spiritual law that our true world is operated by, some laws given to Moses that helped people obey the spiritual laws, many laws. The Jews interpreted scripture to give many laws they said were from God, like how far they could go on the Sabbath. You gave going to the temple as a law and said it had to be obeyed or you broke a law! That is a garbled twist of the word of the Lord.