We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

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"Grace" by definition, means UNMERITED favor.
What definition? Can you present it with source?

Let me ask you a question, When the wicked sins, is his death not merited? Has he not "earned his wages"?
 

Dino246

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The basic principle is to let the Bible interpret itself. The NT is full of quotes and references of the OT. Unless you understand the OT, especially the Torah, you’re not gonna understand the NT. Don’t take the verse-by-verse reductionist approach, find the connections and discover the patterns, see the forest first before you focus on each tree.
I agree, though I would say that the existence of a pattern doesn’t affect the genre or literality of the passage in which the pattern is found.
 
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Yes, He died for us while we were sinners, He offers His Life to anyone, but He can only justify those who repent, because He will not justify sinners, that is why you must repent first:

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
 

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Right, you are caught in your inconsistency and your answer is attacking my person, which is why you can't see it.

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Yada yada yada. You can’t defend your position so you start whining that you’re being attacked. You aren’t the first snowflake I’ve encountered. I am certain that you don’t take Jesus’ words about gouging out your eye literally, so you have no ground to criticize me for not taking certain parts of Scripture literally.
 
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What it means to me, O.J., is that you are new here, and should mind your manners and your own business.
 

Magenta

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That says "while" ...new sins means you don't see sin for what it really is ...it means you are not Reborn yet.
All my sins were covered the moment I came to believe. Jesus fulfilled all righteousness.

If it were up to each of us to remain absolutely sinless following conviction and
conversion, probably nobody would be saved. Jesus was sinless. We are not.

That is why we need to put on HIS righteousness.



Yes, He died for us while we were sinners, He offers His Life to anyone, but He can only justify those who repent, because He will not justify sinners, that is why you must repent first:

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Repent, believe in your heart, confess with your mouth. It is not a magic formula to never sin again.


Romans 10:9
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PennEd

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What definition? Can you present it with source?

Let me ask you a question, When the wicked sins, is his death not merited? Has he not "earned his wages"?
Ephesians 2:8-9
New King James Version


8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

If that passage doesn’t define Grace as a free, unmerited gift, I don’t know what you’d possibly accept.

What is YOUR definition of Grace?

Your other question is irrelevant. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
 
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Repent, believe in your heart, confess with your mouth. It is not a magic formula to never sin again.
Yes it is, believe, that is true faith with works.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Repentance is followed by the keeping of the commandments:

Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

Ezekiel 33:14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.

If you continue in sin, you have neither repented nor believed, but are in darkness even until now:

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

Once you repent and believe you can't sin, because you have His Seed, and He cannot sin:

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 

PennEd

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Ah, yes. Well I guess your question is also "irrelevant" then.


All have sinned, and all can repent, many are called but few are chosen.
Ya didn't answer in the other thread.

Does Jesus' Sacrificial death on the cross pay our sin debt?
 

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God created that tree.

Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
 
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God created that tree.

Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Um, yeah, it's inside us. You either give the old man up ...or you don't.
 

posthuman

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Eve was the first to eat from the tree ...our spirits are what eat from the Trees.

"Eve" means "to live" and was a companion to Adam ...our soul. The only way we liv
Adam changed her name to Eve after God told Satan THE SEED would crush his head.
 
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Does Jesus' Sacrificial death on the cross pay our sin debt?
No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.
 
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No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.
Hebrews 9:22
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
 
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