We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

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Pilgrimshope

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What do you guys think satan's comforting lies are about? Obviously it is to say you can sin and just ask for forgiveness over and over again.
brother repentance and forgiveness is the way of Jesus Christ

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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We non-Jewish believers are grafted into the original olive tree (Jewish believers), one new man in Messiah/Christ.

God also has a plan for the literal Land and people of Israel which He will fulfil.

This is Biblical.

We are wise to remember that Jesus/Y’shua is returning as The Lion Of The Tribe Of Judah.
God created the Jewish people, they were His idea. He chose them to preserve His Law and bear His Name. He gave them that specific land and prophesied that they would become a people again back in their own land, which amazingly has come to pass.

Let us fear and honour Him.
 
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We non-Jewish believers are grafted into the original olive tree (Jewish believers), one new man in Messiah/Christ.

God also has a plan for the literal Land and people of Israel which He will fulfil.

This is Biblical.

We are wise to remember that Jesus/Y’shua is returning as The Lion Of The Tribe Of Judah.
God created the Jewish people, they were His idea. He chose them to preserve His Law and bear His Name. He gave them that specific land and prophesied that they would become a people again back in their own land, which amazingly has come to pass.

Let us fear and honour Him.
The Promise Land has already been Fulfilled in CHRIST. JESUS IS New Jerusalem (Zion). The Body of CHRIST (Church) is Married to It. People back in 70 A.D. were very aware of what GOD Judged.

Luke 19:43-44
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Premills are saying the stone from Daniel never started to grow ...aka The Kingdom.

Daniel 2:35
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Did Judaism lose the claim to The Abrahamic Covenant after they couldn't claim Faith in The MESSIAH after His Advent? If so, why do we assume current day physical Israel has anything to do with GOD'S Promises?

Mat 23:38-39
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

JESUS said “Ye shall not see me henceforth,”, He didn’t say He was handing them physical land back. And they didn’t Call out to Him anyways.

Mat 21:43-45
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
 
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brother repentance and forgiveness is the way of Jesus Christ

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
That Scripture is saying you can't get by without becoming Reborn. He is saying you are not Righteous enough without Bringing GOD into your life.

Yes, Repentance and Forgiveness is a thing ...but not when you think you getting away with clowning GOD doing the same exact sin over and over again.
 

Pilgrimshope

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We non-Jewish believers are grafted into the original olive tree (Jewish believers), one new man in Messiah/Christ.

God also has a plan for the literal Land and people of Israel which He will fulfil.

This is Biblical.

We are wise to remember that Jesus/Y’shua is returning as The Lion Of The Tribe Of Judah.
God created the Jewish people, they were His idea. He chose them to preserve His Law and bear His Name. He gave them that specific land and prophesied that they would become a people again back in their own land, which amazingly has come to pass.

Let us fear and honour Him.
“God also has a plan for the literal Land and people of Israel which He will fulfil.”

indeed

Son of man, set thy face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them, And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God;

Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols.

And I will lay the dead carcases of the children of Israel before their idols; and I will scatter your bones round about your altars. In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate;

that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.

And the slain shall fall in the midst of you, and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries. And they that escape of you shall remember me among the nations whither they shall be carried captives, because I am broken with their whorish heart, which hath departed from me, and with their eyes, which go a whoring after their idols:

and they shall lothe themselves for the evils which they have committed in all their abominations.

And they shall know that I am the Lord, and that I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them.

Thus saith the Lord God; Smite with thine hand, and stamp with thy foot, and say, Alas for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel! for they shall fall by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence.

He that is far off shall die of the pestilence; and he that is near shall fall by the sword; and he that remaineth and is besieged shall die by the famine: thus will I accomplish my fury upon them.

Then shall ye know that I am the Lord, when their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer sweet savour to all their idols.

So will I stretch out my hand upon them, and make the land desolate, yea, more desolate than the wilderness toward Diblath, in all their habitations: and they shall know that I am the Lord.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭6:2-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Therefore thus saith the Lord God; As the vine tree among the trees of the forest, which I have given to the fire for fuel, so will I give the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

And I will set my face against them; they shall go out from one fire, and another fire shall devour them;

and ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I set my face against them. And I will make the land desolate, because they have committed a trespass, saith the Lord God.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭15:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There was an abomination that caused desolation for them it was when they crucified Jesus soon after rome totally besieged and destroyed Jerusalem and it’s temple which was the focus of theot worship.

they were slaughtered by Titus and Nero not a stone was left standing of the temple just as Jesus told them . Israel’s future like all
Men’s is based on whether Thy I accept thier messiah the one God sent to them any Israelite can still do that and be saved if they don’t then they will remain cursed forever like God swore to them
 

Pilgrimshope

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That Scripture is saying you can't get by without becoming Reborn. He is saying you are not Righteous enough without Bringing GOD into your life.

Yes, Repentance and Forgiveness is a thing ...but not when you think you getting away with clowning GOD doing the same exact sin over and over again.
I don’t think anyone here is trying to clown God or even suggesting it except for , well …you in this comment

and it’s not “a thing “ it’s the focus and center of the gospel that is to be preached forever

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46

Maybe you aren’t understanding what repentance really is ? It isn’t to think sin is okay d God doesn’t care if we sin that wouldn’t be repentance

it is to Know sin is not acceptable so when you then find out you have sinned in some way it actually
Matters to you . That’s what leads us to repent we feel it in our heart that we have done wrong and we don’t pretend we didn’t we are t able to do that because repentance is inside

repentance comes as we start believing the gospel as we do that repentance and obedience will come as a result.

we should have the understanding “ to sin is to serve Satan is Will through temptation “ so that when we realize we’re like everyone else yet to be perfected we will repent and deal with our sins between us and God

repentance is the most important part it’s actually Jesus first words when he began to Preach

it’s also a daily walk and a matter of the state of the heart . We all capable of being tempted and sinning if we do we all Have access to repentance , forgiveness and salvstion it doesn’t end when we convert it begins there
 
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I don’t think anyone here is trying to clown God or even suggesting it except for , well …you in this comment

and it’s not “a thing “ it’s the focus and center of the gospel that is to be preached forever

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46

Maybe you aren’t understanding what repentance really is ? It isn’t to think sin is okay d God doesn’t care if we sin that wouldn’t be repentance

it is to Know sin is not acceptable so when you then find out you have sinned in some way it actually
Matters to you . That’s what leads us to repent we feel it in our heart that we have done wrong and we don’t pretend we didn’t we are t able to do that because repentance is inside

repentance comes as we start believing the gospel as we do that repentance and obedience will come as a result.

we should have the understanding “ to sin is to serve Satan is Will through temptation “ so that when we realize we’re like everyone else yet to be perfected we will repent and deal with our sins between us and God

repentance is the most important part it’s actually Jesus first words when he began to Preach

it’s also a daily walk and a matter of the state of the heart . We all capable of being tempted and sinning if we do we all Have access to repentance , forgiveness and salvstion it doesn’t end when we convert it begins there
You didn't read the battle in this thread. We are called to hate sin ...you are not willing to sin when you are in a constant state of prayer.
 
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It’s kind of hard for a modern day Jew to claim the Abrahamic Covenant with The City built without hands, that Abraham had Faith in, …when It is the Body of CHRIST.

Hebrews 11:10
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
 
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Spiritual rebirth is, in my understanding, a one-time event. It happened when I first heard the gospel. The soul is another matter. Sanctification of the soul is, I believe, a process.
Due to the false teaching that when saved, one never sinned again, I, being honest with myself, knew that being free of sin wasn't a reality of mine, believed the lie that God rejected me and that I was doomed to hell, and spent many years in spiritual agony.
I later attended church for a year and experienced God. As an immature believer who hadn't received needed ministry, I got angry at Him and walked away from Him. A few years later I found myself in a bad place and turned back to Him. After 4 months of diligently seeking Him, I found Him in a move of the Holy Spirit.
I walked away from this group 24 years ago. 22 years ago, I had the rock fall on me, grind me to dust, lay bare my soul's foundation (as I was rejected in the womb, I had a root of unbelief that messed me up), and I went to a 5-day retreat where I got what I needed from God through the ministry of His word and Spirit. I've done my best to walk out what I was given.
A year later I got quite ill. The odds said that I'd be dead in 5 years. I'm still here. Over this time I've made mistakes, and stumbled a few times. But each time I go to Him and He forgives me. I've been sinned against, and have done my best to forgive from my heart.
For a few years I've been learning what it means to be a Levite who believes in Yeshua. And what happens when ones tells others that his ancestor went into captivity by the Assyrian army. I was naive.
The Lords says in the prophets that He would reunite the houses of Israel and Judah in a new covenant. This includes gentile believers. Together, we are the congregation of God. Israeli Jews are coming to faith in Yeshua/Jesus like never before, as prophesied would happen in the last days.
This is how I see it. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16 NIV
I am on the road...to my home...in the New Jerusalem...and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever...hallelujah!
 

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Well the start of this thread went out the window. You know if you have done it to the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me. So.. maybe think about what we say when we know only GOD sees the heart. I do see pride here. So lets leave some of this stuff that only a GOD can do with Him. For me one post just aweful.. something I would never ever say to a believer. .. yet not even a blink here. Not my kid were talking to. Funny how we think we can say what ever we want to His kids huh. If you have kids.. oh we never ever let them talk to each other as some believers do.

So as for Jews. He once shows me this tiny tree oh had so many branches.. see I had asked a question about "tell me you love me just as much as you do this Jewish person" I was watching these videos of Jewish people that got saved and found Christ and then at times say about Christians "they have MY God".. oh that really started to get to me. So I just asked Him to say He loves me just as much. Fully awake I see this hand come down with this oh so beautiful tiny tree.. never in my life seen a tree with so many branches. I had pictured me sitting and a jewish person sitting next to me. He put this tiny tree between us and then said this "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". We are as Issac was the Children of promise. Right now in this age the only way to the Father for anyone on this globe is through Jesus. Yet most are blind and if blind have no sin. Some say they see their sin remains. He died for the sin of this world. Sin in this world has no hold on me yet in this fallen world there are rules and if I sin there is in this world a price for that sin and its death. We see it every day.. everything is dying. We have promises in Gods word.

Yes some say 1st John was talking to people that believed they don't sin.. don't have sin so John was trying to explain it to them. Now it would be foolish for me to forget other scholars do not follow this belief. So talk to His kids as if you were talking to Him..and remember its no how others do things.. its are we walking in the fruits of the spirit and 1st Cor 13..some times we need to bend...listen try to see it through that persons eyes not speak as if WE have the REAL truth.. Its Him.. its all Christ.. He is the real truth..not me
 
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You all think you are Children of GOD just because you say you Believe ...you have to live what you Believe if you want to be covered in His Blood and Represented on The Cross.
 
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You all think you are Children of GOD just because you say you Believe ...you have to live what you Believe if you want to be covered in His Blood and Represented on The Cross.
Calling Jesus a liar?

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOEVER [[BELIEVES ON HIM]] MIGHT NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.
 
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Calling Jesus a liar?

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOEVER [[BELIEVES ON HIM]] MIGHT NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.
Yeah, i am aware of that Scripture ...again, you can only read it with your animal side. demons believe ..what more do i have to say?
 
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I remember when that guy read John 3:16 to me. I saw a hand holding a sword, and that hand plunged the sword into my belly. I knew the scripture was true. Not because I chose to believe it, but because the ability to believe it was given to me. It was a gift. Thank You, Jesus!
 
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Joe, I've said everything I can think of to help you see the truth. Now you are calling the elect of Christ demons. I've said enough...perhaps you have too!
 
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I've said everything I can think of to help you see the truth. Now you are calling the elect of Christ demons. I've said enough...perhaps you have too!
The lukewarm are not Elected. What do you people think you have overcome?
 
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I can see in the Spirit that You are very much how Satan, as the Serpent was, when he deceived Eve.
So, we are overcoming Satan, Today, by overcoming You!
Right ..lol ...let's not think about what you won with your sins.