We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

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i get it, you think i'm a Pharisee. How am i supposed to tell people to stop sinning unless i say i stopped sinning? Just because there isn't a mark the beast doesn't mean the end isn't soon. Time is up ...these people need to stop clowning around.
no brother I’m positive you are a Christian. I don’t think you are a Pharisee at all. Your one of my favorite people here to discuss with and I usually always find good agreement with you .

I do think In this particular thread you seem to be by your words assuming people are sinners and fake Christians o are paying lip service when they repent and ask forgiveness. But that’s just what I perceive

as for how you preach against sin and also for the gospel it’s found in the doctrine see this

Blessed are the merciful:

for they shall obtain mercy.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then his Lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his Lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:32-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what I’m saying is brother that’s christian doctrine.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we allow the doctrine of Christ to become our faith like just that one example of the that one principle. It makes sense of what he said here

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how the central focus surrounds remission of sins not imputing other peoples sins against them ? But instead learning Gods mercy that saved us me extending that same mercy to others ?

if we let Jesus doctrine into our hearts it’s going to take away sins power over us so we won’t keep serving sin but the answer is to just hear and believe the gospel and follow those things he taught that’s the path out of sin

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we let the truth in repentance becomes something God grants To us repentance literally
Means to “ change your mind “ and that’s what the gospel does it changes our minds from sinners to children of God but until we get to a mature place and begin to see the fruits of repentance we have to walk by faith s upright according to what Jesus said mercy for the merciful forgiveness for the forgiving no condemnation for those who do not condemn

repentance is a gift when We acknowledge the truth of the gospel

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m saying is we start just following Jesus and the gospel sin is going to die over time so that it doesn’t have the same appeal it used to have and we’re going to become strong against temptations that may come being able to stand in upright manner

it takes time and commitment to hear and believe the truth of the gospel forst before we can actually obey it we have to believe it’s true

faith has to be foret and the actions have to come from that faith focusing on sin without preaching repentance and remission of sins isn’t the full gospel it says very little about sin just to “repent “ and “you can’t keep sinning “

but mostly he’s saying “ hear my word and believe , do the thkngs im teaching you , here and believe what I’m saying , God sent me to teach the truth believe in me trust my word ect

it’s a whole new doctrine not according to the doctrine of sin and death
 
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Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Umm, Peter was not talking to Jews in 1 Peter 2:9 ...they probably were Jews at one point in their life though.

 
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Pride is invisible, it feels good, it seems right, and it blinds!
There is no one as blind as the blind man who believes he sees.
- Just some things God has taught me over the years as He's dealt with me.
 
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no brother I’m positive you are a Christian. I don’t think you are a Pharisee at all. Your one of my favorite people here to discuss with and I usually always find good agreement with you .

I do think In this particular thread you seem to be by your words assuming people are sinners and fake Christians o are paying lip service when they repent and ask forgiveness. But that’s just what I perceive

as for how you preach against sin and also for the gospel it’s found in the doctrine see this

Blessed are the merciful:

for they shall obtain mercy.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then his Lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his Lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:32-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what I’m saying is brother that’s christian doctrine.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we allow the doctrine of Christ to become our faith like just that one example of the that one principle. It makes sense of what he said here

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how the central focus surrounds remission of sins not imputing other peoples sins against them ? But instead learning Gods mercy that saved us me extending that same mercy to others ?

if we let Jesus doctrine into our hearts it’s going to take away sins power over us so we won’t keep serving sin but the answer is to just hear and believe the gospel and follow those things he taught that’s the path out of sin

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we let the truth in repentance becomes something God grants To us repentance literally
Means to “ change your mind “ and that’s what the gospel does it changes our minds from sinners to children of God but until we get to a mature place and begin to see the fruits of repentance we have to walk by faith s upright according to what Jesus said mercy for the merciful forgiveness for the forgiving no condemnation for those who do not condemn

repentance is a gift when We acknowledge the truth of the gospel

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m saying is we start just following Jesus and the gospel sin is going to die over time so that it doesn’t have the same appeal it used to have and we’re going to become strong against temptations that may come being able to stand in upright manner

it takes time and commitment to hear and believe the truth of the gospel forst before we can actually obey it we have to believe it’s true

faith has to be foret and the actions have to come from that faith focusing on sin without preaching repentance and remission of sins isn’t the full gospel it says very little about sin just to “repent “ and “you can’t keep sinning “

but mostly he’s saying “ hear my word and believe , do the thkngs im teaching you , here and believe what I’m saying , God sent me to teach the truth believe in me trust my word ect

it’s a whole new doctrine not according to the doctrine of sin and death
Who are these people going to get this message from? They pay their Pastors to not tell them this. There is a sea of lukewarm ...JESUS is going to spit them out. You want me to forgive their ignorance ...is that it?
 

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Who are these people going to get this message from? They pay their Pastors to not tell them this. There is a sea of lukewarm ...JESUS is going to spit them out. You want me to forgive their ignorance ...is that it?
I would imagine they will get it from Jesus who’s living in them by his promise just like you have learned what you did.

and probably they are seeking better understanding because they came to a forum to discuss the Bible in which they believe even if they aren’t as well versed as others what they know they believe


Brother you have a lot of knowledge so consider this

“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:

and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we are each going to be judged by what we actually understand you know a lot Godnis revealing things to you he’s turned your Will against sin that’s good but it applies dorectly to you to keep up to the standard within you the more you know the more you are accountable for.

others who don’t know as much aren’t held to your standard

and the jidgement we apply to others will be our own I would let Jesus judge people and just share the gospel but you know I’m just a brother in Christ and can’t tell you what to do nor do I have any authority over you

it’s just a brother talking to another brother both far from perfect but both understanding sin is poison for our soul

just looking at that truth two different ways
 
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I would imagine they will get it from Jesus who’s living in them by his promise just like you have learned what you did.

and probably they are seeking better understanding because they came to a forum to discuss the Bible in which they believe even if they aren’t as well versed as others what they know they believe


Brother you have a lot of knowledge so consider this

“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:

and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we are each going to be judged by what we actually understand you know a lot Godnis revealing things to you he’s turned your Will against sin that’s good but it applies dorectly to you to keep up to the standard within you the more you know the more you are accountable for.

others who don’t know as much aren’t held to your standard

and the jidgement we apply to others will be our own I would let Jesus judge people and just share the gospel but you know I’m just a brother in Christ and can’t tell you what to do nor do I have any authority over you

it’s just a brother talking to another brother both far from perfect but both understanding sin is poison for our soul

just looking at that truth two different ways
i flip out because they act exactly like the atheists i deal with regularly. i have to check what website i'm on to see if i'm talking to one or not. You think these double minded people will get the information on their own ....a hardened heart is a hardened heart. How do you know JESUS didn't want me to try and get through to them? They see you as defending them ...their sin.

There is something very odd about Premills and being lukewarm ...if their excuse ended ...they might wake up.
 

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i flip out because they act exactly like the atheists i deal with regularly. i have to check what website i'm on to see if i'm talking to one or not. You think these double minded people will get the information on their own ....a hardened heart is a hardened heart. How do you know JESUS didn't want me to try and get through to them? They see you as defending them ...their sin.

There is something very odd about Premills and being lukewarm ...if their excuse ended ...they might wake up.
I dont know that brother I do know the way to crack a hard heart isn’t to bludgeon the person with a club and accuse Christians of being like atheists

you have to be gentle and patient humble so God will bring them to repentance

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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I dont know that brother I do know the way to crack a hard heart isn’t to bludgeon the person with a club and accuse Christians of being like atheists

you have to be gentle and patient humble so God will bring them to repentance

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬
They are like me ...i grew up going to Church every Sunday ...but i was still a dead spirit. They are not going be Elected unless GOD sees in the future that they physically die as His Child ...so the goal is to get them on that path.
 
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i flip out because they act exactly like the atheists i deal with regularly. i have to check what website i'm on to see if i'm talking to one or not. You think these double minded people will get the information on their own ....a hardened heart is a hardened heart. How do you know JESUS didn't want me to try and get through to them? They see you as defending them ...their sin.

There is something very odd about Premills and being lukewarm ...if their excuse ended ...they might wake up.
It has been Papyrus Dated to around 95 A.D. and it has been verified by Polycarp and others that the Apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation TWENTY FIVE YEARS AFTER 70 A.D.

NOWHERE is it written by John the Apostle, Polycarp and those who were alive in 70 A.D. that Jesus returned a Second Time and set up His Kingdom.

IN FACT, Polycarp writes WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE COMES AS RULER AND JUDGE.

The fact is that YOU, JOE, are following a LIE AND FALSE DOCTRINE and we have solid proof of it!
 
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It has been Papyrus Dated to around 95 A.D. and it has been verified by Polycarp and others that the Apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation TWENTY FIVE YEARS AFTER 70 A.D.

NOWHERE is it written by John the Apostle, Polycarp and those who were alive in 70 A.D. that Jesus returned a Second Time and set up His Kingdom.

IN FACT, Polycarp writes WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE COMES AS RULER AND JUDGE.

The fact is that YOU, JOE, are following a LIE AND FALSE DOCTRINE and we have solid proof of it!
Do you think it matters when Revelation was written? It doesn't bother me as an Amill at all if it was after 70 A.D. ...70 A.D. still happened no matter what. The final Judgment of authentic Jews.
 
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Do you think it matters when Revelation was written? It doesn't bother me as an Amill at all if it was after 70 A.D. ...70 A.D. still happened no matter what. The final Judgment of authentic Jews.
No, 70 A.D. was no Judgement, it was because Rome got tired of the issues between the Judeans and Zealots.

Have you ever read Josephus?

I doubt you have, because you would know how idiotic your viewpoint is!
 
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No, 70 A.D. was no Judgement, it was because Rome got tired of the issues between the Judeans and Zealots.

Have you ever read Josephus?

I doubt you have, because you would know how idiotic your viewpoint is!
Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews,
Wars 6.5.3

A heifer gave birth to Lamb! ...do you get the symbolism? Does this not sound Biblical to you?
The Eastern Gate opened by itself.
i think Josephus wrote this in 65 A.D.:

At the same festival also an heifer, as she was led by the High-priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple. Moreover the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple,9 which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor; which was there made of one intire stone: was seen to be opened of its own accord, about the sixth hour of the night.

Oh and what do you think this was about:

Luke 19:43-44
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
 
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Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews,
Wars 6.5.3

A heifer gave birth to Lamb! ...do you get the symbolism? Does this not sound Biblical to you?
The Eastern Gate opened by itself.
i think Josephus wrote this in 65 A.D.:

At the same festival also an heifer, as she was led by the High-priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple. Moreover the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple,9 which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor; which was there made of one intire stone: was seen to be opened of its own accord, about the sixth hour of the night.

Oh and what do you think this was about:

Luke 19:43-44
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
The Zealots, WHO KILLED CHRIST, because they wanted WAR against Rome, tried to continue making War against Rome after the Ascension of Christ. Rome got tired of it and just slaughtered them.

YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A CLUE AT ALL WHAT AND WHY YOU HAVE THIS VIEWPOINT!!

IT'S DEFINITELY A YOUTUBE CRAPSHOOT!
 
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For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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No, 70 A.D. was no Judgement, it was because Rome got tired of the issues between the Judeans and Zealots.

Have you ever read Josephus?

I doubt you have, because you would know how idiotic your viewpoint is!

I ask him the same thing about if he had read Josephus writings(even gave him the entire book of wars 2 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html ) he said no but he had had things in his writing pointed out to him. He isn't going to read it or discuss it and so until he does it's going to seem as though he hasn't read it.
 
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I ask him the same thing about if he had read Josephus writings(even gave him the entire book of wars 2 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html ) he said no but he had had things in his writing pointed out to him. He isn't going to read it or discuss it and so until he does it's going to seem as though he hasn't read it.
Does anyone here want to pretend that Josephus didn't write this?: You can go to that website and find it.

At the same festival also an heifer, as she was led by the High-priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple. Moreover the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple,9 which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor; which was there made of one intire stone: was seen to be opened of its own accord, about the sixth hour of the night.
 
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Does anyone here want to pretend that Josephus didn't write this?: You can go to that website and find it.

At the same festival also an heifer, as she was led by the High-priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple. Moreover the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple,9 which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor; which was there made of one intire stone: was seen to be opened of its own accord, about the sixth hour of the night.
It's no different than Jesus saying the Temple would be destroyed. It's Prophecy being fulfilled, not Judgement.
 

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Does anyone here want to pretend that Josephus didn't write this?: You can go to that website and find it.

At the same festival also an heifer, as she was led by the High-priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple. Moreover the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple,9 which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor; which was there made of one intire stone: was seen to be opened of its own accord, about the sixth hour of the night.

The 69 years in Wars 2 are your demise in that they show that the Jews never worshiped Romes image,bowed to it's Caesar nor did they buy and sell with it's mark(minted their own coins) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage and why is that important when you consider Revelation 13?
 
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It's no different than Jesus saying the Temple would be destroyed. It's Prophecy being fulfilled, not Judgement.
In fact, the Prophecy connected was Daniel's ending of Daily Sacrifice.

Daily Sacrifice ending is not Judgement, but that the Daily Sacrifice was fulfilled by Christ's Sacrifice.
 
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Does anyone here want to pretend that Josephus didn't write this?: You can go to that website and find it.

At the same festival also an heifer, as she was led by the High-priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple. Moreover the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple,9 which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor; which was there made of one intire stone: was seen to be opened of its own accord, about the sixth hour of the night.

The Heifer represents the sacrifice.
It births a Lamb that represents Daily Sacrifice was completed by Christ.
Thus it fulfilled the prophecy of Daniel 12 and Matthew 24 when the Temple was destroyed.

NO JUDGEMENT AT ALL INVOLVED AND TO CLAIM JUDGEMENT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE BY SATAN AND A FALSE DOCTRINE CREATED BY SATAN!