We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

[Beckie]

there is none in Christ that are Jew or Greek yes, however, the elect of God are still God's people even if they reject HIM. Isreal became a nation again as God said they would. God still raises up His people and yet they still have the freedom to reject God as we all do.

The Jewish people have never stopped being a Nation they do not need land to be a nation. Israel ,the land, of today is not the land God Gave to Abraham.
Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

The Jewish religion is antichrist.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Is this change of mind the reason why you left a dispensational doctrinal position?

 

[Beckie]

Is this change of mind the reason why you left a dispensational doctrinal position?

Not that alone , there were many one of which is reading Scofield's note about 'first gathering the wheat into barn' and reading the Scripture was an eye opener.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Not that alone , there were many one of which is reading Scofield's note about 'first gathering the wheat into barn' and reading the Scripture was an eye opener.

This?

The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment. At the end of this age (Matthew 13:40) the tares are set apart for burning, but first the wheat is gathered into the barn. (John 14:3); (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17).

 

[CS1]

The Jewish people have never stopped being a Nation they do not need land to be a nation. Israel ,the land, of today is not the land God Gave to Abraham.
Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

read your bible. You may not know this but Occupying a nation means you don't have it anymore some else does like we are about to see with Ukraine and Russia.

 

[Beckie]

Yup that would be one.
Here is another
Scofield says Mt 6:33: "The kingdom of God is to be distinguished from the kingdom of heaven."
1 The kingdom of God is to be distinguished from the kingdom of heaven (Mt. 3. 2, note) in five respects: (1) The kingdom of God is universal, including all moral intelligences willingly subject to the will of God, whether angels, the Church, or saints of past or future dispensations (Lk. 13. 28, 29; Heb. 12. 22, 23); while the kingdom of heaven is Messianic, mediatorial, and Davidic, and has for its object the establishment of the kingdom of God in the earth (Mt. 3. 2, note; 1 Cor. 15. 24

The Scripture simple says Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

 

[Beckie]

read your bible. You may not know this but Occupying a nation means you don't have it anymore some else does like we are about to see with Ukraine and Russia.

Why be rude how about a discussion ? TO me it is the people that make a Nation not the land you think the land we have different opinions that is ok

 

[kaylagrl]

Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

I read 5 passages that show conditions. .. Maybe, Mom tells Sally If you clean you room you can use the car. cleaning the room is a condition. Ok Jack be honest and tell the truth then we will go to the game. confessing is a condition Obedience is a condition...

The Covenant God made with Abraham was unconditional, the others were not. Here is the covenant...

12 Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Then comes the ceremony...

9 He said to him, “Bring me a heifer three years old, a female goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 And he brought him all these, cut them in half, and laid each half over against the other. But he did not cut the birds in half. 11 And when birds of prey came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

12 As the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram...
17 When the sun had gone down and it was dark, behold, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces. 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, 19 the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites and the Jebusites.”


God made an unconditional covenant here with Abram.


"The Abrahamic Covenant included the promise of land (Genesis 12:1). It was a specific land, an actual property, with dimensions specified in Genesis 15:18–21. In Genesis 13:15, God gives Abraham all the land that he can see, and the gift is declared to be “forever.” God was not going to renege on His promise. The territory given as part of the Abrahamic Covenant is expanded in Deuteronomy 30:1–10, often called the Palestinian Covenant."

"Centuries after Abraham died, the children of Israel took possession of the land under Joshua’s leadership (Joshua 21:43). At no point in history, though, has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains, therefore, a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. The fulfillment will be more than a matter of geography; it will also be a time of holiness and restoration (see Ezekiel 20:40–44 and 36:1—37:28)."

Five times in Genesis 12, as God is giving the Abrahamic Covenant, He says, “I will.” Clearly, God takes the onus of keeping the covenant upon Himself. The covenant is unconditional. One day, Israel will repent, be forgiven, and be restored to God’s favor (Zechariah 12:10–14; Romans 11:25–27). One day, the nation of Israel will possess the entire territory promised to them. One day, the Messiah will return to set up His throne, and through His righteous rule the whole world will be blessed with an abundance of peace, pleasure, and prosperity.

 

[Beckie]

I let a pot of potatoes burn on the stove . got a mess to clean up now
I still read the conditions you dont so we differ .

 

[Beckie]

The Covenant God made with Abraham was unconditional, the others were not. Here is the covenant...

12 Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Then comes the ceremony...

9 He said to him, “Bring me a heifer three years old, a female goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 And he brought him all these, cut them in half, and laid each half over against the other. But he did not cut the birds in half. 11 And when birds of prey came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

12 As the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram...
17 When the sun had gone down and it was dark, behold, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces. 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, 19 the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites and the Jebusites.”


God made an unconditional covenant here with Abram.


"The Abrahamic Covenant included the promise of land (Genesis 12:1). It was a specific land, an actual property, with dimensions specified in Genesis 15:18–21. In Genesis 13:15, God gives Abraham all the land that he can see, and the gift is declared to be “forever.” God was not going to renege on His promise. The territory given as part of the Abrahamic Covenant is expanded in Deuteronomy 30:1–10, often called the Palestinian Covenant."

"Centuries after Abraham died, the children of Israel took possession of the land under Joshua’s leadership (Joshua 21:43). At no point in history, though, has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains, therefore, a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. The fulfillment will be more than a matter of geography; it will also be a time of holiness and restoration (see Ezekiel 20:40–44 and 36:1—37:28)."

Five times in Genesis 12, as God is giving the Abrahamic Covenant, He says, “I will.” Clearly, God takes the onus of keeping the covenant upon Himself. The covenant is unconditional. One day, Israel will repent, be forgiven, and be restored to God’s favor (Zechariah 12:10–14; Romans 11:25–27). One day, the nation of Israel will possess the entire territory promised to them. One day, the Messiah will return to set up His throne, and through His righteous rule the whole world will be blessed with an abundance of peace, pleasure, and prosperity.

Where does God say the Covenant is unconditional ?

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Yup that would be one.
Here is another
Scofield says Mt 6:33: "The kingdom of God is to be distinguished from the kingdom of heaven."
1 The kingdom of God is to be distinguished from the kingdom of heaven (Mt. 3. 2, note) in five respects: (1) The kingdom of God is universal, including all moral intelligences willingly subject to the will of God, whether angels, the Church, or saints of past or future dispensations (Lk. 13. 28, 29; Heb. 12. 22, 23); while the kingdom of heaven is Messianic, mediatorial, and Davidic, and has for its object the establishment of the kingdom of God in the earth (Mt. 3. 2, note; 1 Cor. 15. 24

The Scripture simple says Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Sorry about the potatoes, sister.

I only asked because I have read many comments on forums about folks leaving the dispensational position and attributing it to Schofields notes or teachings. Albeit that I can hardly see why electing to hold to the simplicity of Matthew 6:33 would require the more detailed position set down in the Scofield references you posted to be a basis for rejecting his teaching.

 

[Beckie]

The smell of burnt potatoes is heavy in the air...

There are many more notes to be discussed. I have to regroup after the potatoes ... All my Husband wanted for dinner was some boiled buttered potatoes messing that up is really bad. you are interested i will get out the old Bible and continue but not today .. I thing i learned in school was if any part of a question is false it all is...

Sorry about the potatoes, sister.

I only asked because I have read many comments on forums about folks leaving the dispensational position and attributing it to Schofields notes or teachings. Albeit that I can hardly see why electing to hold to the simplicity of Matthew 6:33 would require the more detailed position set down in the Scofield references you posted to be a basis for rejecting his teaching.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

The smell of burnt potatoes is heavy in the air...

There are many more notes to be discussed. I have to regroup after the potatoes ... All my Husband wanted for dinner was some boiled buttered potatoes messing that up is really bad. you are interested i will get out the old Bible and continue but not today .. I thing i learned in school was if any part of a question is false it all is...

Peel some more potatoes and give your husband a charming smile - prepare the butter and enjoy. Oh yes! Don't forget to cook them.

 

[kaylagrl]

Where does God say the Covenant is unconditional ?

When Abraham went into a deep sleep, God passed through the animal halves Himself, making it an unconditional covenant.

 

[Jocund]

Where does God say the Covenant is unconditional ?

And more importantly, to whom does the promise of the covenant apply? Romans 9 and Galatians 3 clearly states that it is Christ (and those in Christ). Whatever hybrid religion that dispensationalists follow does not have a coherent answer to address Romans 9 and Galatians 3. And you can tell when their logic is in death throes when the slander, lies and gaslighting starts to come out from them.

 

[kaylagrl]

And more importantly, to whom does the promise of the covenant apply? Romans 9 and Galatians 3 clearly states that it is Christ (and those in Christ). .

And again, we are talking about the Abrahamic Covenant. Christ fulfills part of that promise, not all. There was a land promise and a blessing promise as well as a seed promise.

And you can tell when their logic is in death throes when the slander, lies and gaslighting starts to come out from them. .

None of that has happened in this discussion, the only one slandering and lying is you! Someone was just banned for his conduct screaming at everyone that answered him. I have been here a long time and I have not slandered, nor lied, or gaslighted anyone. No one was talking to you, you butt in and did exactly what you accused others of doing smh.

 

[CS1]

Why be rude how about a discussion ? TO me it is the people that make a Nation not the land you think the land we have different opinions that is ok

I am not being rude I am making a point, it's ok if you don't agree I could be wrong

 

[kaylagrl]

I am not being rude I am making a point, it's ok if you don't agree I could be wrong

But you aren't wrong Sometimes being direct can be seen as rude on a forum. That's always annoying because people don't see your face or hear your tone of voice and think something is rude when it's not meant that way.

 

[Jocund]

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." - Galatians 3:16 KJV

 

[Beckie]

read your bible. You may not know this but Occupying a nation means you don't have it anymore some else does like we are about to see with Ukraine and Russia.

Gen_12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
I looked up the word nation in this verse . Strongs says this
go'ee, go'-ee
Apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts: - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
Total KJV occurrences: 559