We will abandon it ALL for the sake of the cross, yet, some then abandon 'the faith.'

[GreenNnice]

If I promise you something, you still have to trust what other person says will come true.
In other words, a promise must be believed.

Just because we have the Holy Spirit of promise we are NOT guaranteed to go to heaven with all its riches and glory.

This 'promise' word is highly active, action»reaction.

Will you believe? Better, because your redemption won't be purchasable without Him in you.

The Holy Spirit is our guarantee of inheritance . But we must believe that the guarantee is real. Again, the word 'guarantee' is a word of action that requires reaction, or, in simpler terms, 'trust.'

everything in Scripture is perfectly willful written, God allows our choice.

His sheep hear His voice but what action is necessary to that reaction of 'hear?' 'Listen.'

Again, the action of apostate is leaving something, and, the reaction is losing something, which in this case is a body of believer's lampstand, which equals losing their salvation, or, in Rev., the word is 'removed.'

Don't kid yourself, the Holy Spirit will lead you in life but when you decide His sweetness is no longer good enough for you, He won't have to leave you, for you will have left Him

 

[GreenNnice]

I'm not saying Christ will ever leave you if you stay believing faithfully in Him. He won't, ever. Never, ever.
Again, the leaving has to do with you, the being saved is ALL His doing, but the desire to walk in The Spirit His individual walk of faith is ALL you. This 'walk' we are to ACCEPT all our life and yes to the Lord knows we're with righteosness as 'filthy rags' and no not one of us can be saved on our own so He gives us abounding grace and mercy to cover sins tracks completely as we Faithfully walk in Him obeying His laws, living a life that becomes more ye perfect all The days of our life.

And, if we do not live in the shadow of His wings, understanding His grace and acceptive of it (your sins are covered, past, present, future) then THAT
is living without confidence in His grace being sufficient for ALL our mistakes . He died on The cross for a reason: You. me. everybody .

Christ will always be there for His sheep, but we sheep are stupid lot, capable of doing stupid.things, easily swayed to do things that are not of Him by you know who

But, by having a life lived in following Him you will seek and access His power constantly , wanting to understand Christ's life plan for you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I promise you something, you still have to trust what other person says will come true. In other words, a promise must be believed.

This is true faith, anything short of this is just mere belief. Our hope which we have our faith in is based on Gods promise. that is why it is a hope. we hope for our future based on Gods promise (titus 3: 5)

Just because we have the Holy Spirit of promise we are NOT guaranteed to go to heaven with all its riches and glory.

Says who? Paul tells us in Eph 1 that HE is our guarantee. Did Paul lie?

This 'promise' word is highly active, action»reaction.

????

Will you believe? Better, because your redemption won't be purchasable without Him in you.

He is in me because I had faith and not a mere belief

The Holy Spirit is our guarantee of inheritance . But we must believe that the guarantee is real. Again, the word 'guarantee' is a word of action that requires reaction, or, in simpler terms, 'trust.'

Same thing. We agree. it is faith that saves us.

everything in Scripture is perfectly willful written, God allows our choice.

His sheep hear His voice but what action is necessary to that reaction of 'hear?' 'Listen.'

Again, the action of apostate is leaving something, and, the reaction is losing something, which in this case is a body of believer's lampstand, which equals losing their salvation, or, in Rev., the word is 'removed.'

Can't agree. One who has true faith will never leave. many who have had a mere belief have left. Or they left because they trusted self 9works) and realized it was fruitless to work, because they could never live up so why try.

Don't kid yourself, the Holy Spirit will lead you in life but when you decide His sweetness is no longer good enough for you, He won't have to leave you, for you will have left Him

I wi;ll never leave you nor forsake you, these words of God are simple and pure.

1. I can;t leave God, he is everywhere, and even if I try, he said he will come get me, as a shepard goes and gets his lost sheep.
2. Gods promise (remember the promise) is he will never leave us.

 

[starfield]

I'm not saying Christ will ever leave you if you stay believing faithfully in Him. He won't, ever. Never, ever.
Again, the leaving has to do with you, the being saved is ALL His doing, but the desire to walk in The Spirit His individual walk of faith is ALL you. This 'walk' we are to ACCEPT all our life and yes to the Lord knows we're with righteosness as 'filthy rags' and no not one of us can be saved on our own so He gives us abounding grace and mercy to cover sins tracks completely as we Faithfully walk in Him obeying His laws, living a life that becomes more ye perfect all The days of our life.

And, if we do not live in the shadow of His wings, understanding His grace and acceptive of it (your sins are covered, past, present, future) then THAT
is living without confidence in His grace being sufficient for ALL our mistakes . He died on The cross for a reason: You. me. everybody .

Christ will always be there for His sheep, but we sheep are stupid lot, capable of doing stupid.things, easily swayed to do things that are not of Him by you know who

But, by having a life lived in following Him you will seek and access His power constantly , wanting to understand Christ's life plan for you.

Then a sheep's abandonment the Shepherd (renouncing the faith later on) is covered and thus they are still in a right relationship with the Shepherd. Can you please explain this while considering Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God". Is one forgiven of something they have not asked for forgiveness for?

 

[GreenNnice]

Then a sheep's abandonment the Shepherd (renouncing the faith later on) is covered and thus they are still in a right relationship with the Shepherd. Can you please explain this while considering Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God". Is one forgiven of something they have not asked for forgiveness for?

We have carnal man in us though Christ lives in us too, so, we will sin, but we are covered by His perfect blood, starryfields

The life of the flesh is in the blood, Lev. 17:11 states, therefore, this, indeed, is foreshadowing of our life being 'Life' once we become covered by the blood and understand blood's life-giving properties, physically and spiritually in which Jesus' blood propitiates ALL our sins, past, present, future, we are COVERED, God does not remember our sins , they are into 'the sea of forgetfulness.' The Enemy brings them up to us , but not God

Yes, since Satan is really on this earth tempting us (but not able to tempt us beyond what we are able without proviDing a way of esCape), we must, milady, RESIST the Devil but we still say and do things that we know not what we do, like Peter, Caw! Caw! Caw! , three times denying Jesus, whom Peter Loved, but still denied Christ (read feed's 'Deny Christ....' thread) . And, yes, the Spirit leads us, milady, starry, it is a personal relationship God soo desires most from we, His sheep. 'Follow Me,' the Lord leads, and, yes, Scripture is,clear, that we are to ask for forgiveness as we walk our Christian walk, abiding in Him, faithfullly, real-ly

 

[GreenNnice]

1. If this seal could be broken, paul would have told us
2. God is the one who seals. Can God break his own seal
3. Are you able to break the seal of God, are you more powerful than God?

A seal can be broken. Take a seal on a toner package, that seal is there for proof that that toner is new, never having been touched (opened) by human hands. But, after a human has opened the package he has, indeed, broken the seal, and, you can TRY to resell it to someone for the best 'seal' price possible but you won't get redemption because YOU broke that seal. Your choice, and, yes, that absolutely has to do with us.
The Holy Spirit seals our inheritance, but, in no way, shape, or, fom, just because we have the Holy Spirit we are entitled to heaven's riches, we are to WORK for our 'mansion' and we humans do so by KEEPING (standing on) the promises that God promised.

Promisekeepers is,another example, a father gives daughter a 'promise' ring and their is an agreement between them for her to not have sex before marriage, this is something daughter will have to work hard to keep from happening but through her submitting her life and her truest desires to follow Him, she will be kept under His wings, as He leads her in Spirit and,in Truth to keep this promise to her dad.

is this promised based on Gods word? or is it based on me? and will god break his promise? think of titus, God promised eternal life before time began, and he can not lie

Again, the keyword is 'promise,' eg (see my first answer of this post).


The cross paid the price of redemption in full, there is no other payment we can make. [/quote]
True, there is no other redemption but God in the flesh to earth living, dying, living again , Christ paid it all with His shed blood, but we still have to stand on the promises of God which include His instructions of faithfully following Him post John 3:16, and, this has ALL to do with ACCEPTANCE of Christ's personal leading of our converted life in Him, which will be in Love , based with grace abounding and mercy justly given as we get forgiveness for sins (1 john 1:9), which, are ALL covered-past, present,future- by the precious blood of the Lamb.
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Not based on us, based on God, is God going to break his promise? if he can, what kind of God is he?


God NEVER breaks His promises. But guess who does (see first answer of this post)

how can we break the promise when the promise was NEVER based on us?

The promise of the Holy Spirit was based on us, Jesus said that we would get (promised) a 'Comforter,' but that that Comforter could not come unto into us who believed on Him until after Christ left earth.

 

[starfield]

We have carnal man in us though Christ lives in us too, so, we will sin, but we are covered by His perfect blood, starryfields

The life of the flesh is in the blood, Lev. 17:11 states, therefore, this, indeed, is foreshadowing of our life being 'Life' once we become covered by the blood and understand blood's life-giving properties, physically and spiritually in which Jesus' blood propitiates ALL our sins, past, present, future, we are COVERED, God does not remember our sins , they are into 'the sea of forgetfulness.' The Enemy brings them up to us , but not God

That means we have the liberty to commit future sins and there is no need for repentance since they have already been covered and forgiven at initial conversion, right? . How does the blood of Christ cover a life in continual willful disobedience?

 

[GreenNnice]

That means we have the liberty to commit future sins and there is no need for repentance since they have already been covered and forgiven at initial conversion, right? . How does the blood of Christ cover a life in continual willful disobedience?

Just 'the blood.' It covers you, starryfields
I john 1:9 . Keyword 'cleanse.'
born of Christ, one does not sin, it is covered, His Spirit willlead

 

[pickles]

In the end there are three things that last, faith , hope and love.
The greatest of these being love!

Faith reqires no evidence, for faith is evidence of itself.
Fr hope is not in what is seen , but what is ubseen, otherwise there is no need of hope.
Love, perfect love that surpasses all understanding, and brings the perfect!
Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!

God bless
pickles

 

[GreenNnice]

In the end there are three things that last, faith , hope and love.
The greatest of these being love!

Faith reqires no evidence, for faith is evidence of itself.
Fr hope is not in what is seen , but what is ubseen, otherwise there is no need of hope.
Love, perfect love that surpasses all understanding, and brings the perfect!
Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!

God bless
pickles

Pickled, milady, your name wouldn't be Faith?

 

[GreenNnice]

Pickled, milady, your name wouldn't be Faith?

Pickled, what I meant by above was that you have one of the most positive attitudes on here and your posts are laced with God's own wisdom, spoken through you. It takes faith to be positive all the time in something and your faith is in Him, right, so, you, milady, are moving many mountains (not mountain) with the faith grown by you from Him.
The Lord leads, and, what a great, positive, nurturing, teaching, encouraging way of 'faith' He is,leading you on c.c., and, I can only hope and pray, everywhere He leads you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A seal can be broken. Take a seal on a toner package, that seal is there for proof that that toner is new, never having been touched (opened) by human hands. But, after a human has opened the package he has, indeed, broken the seal, and, you can TRY to resell it to someone for the best 'seal' price possible but you won't get redemption because YOU broke that seal. Your choice, and, yes, that absolutely has to do with us.

That is the problem. The seal you spoke of was made by man, Week (on purpose so it could be broken) and created to be broken when the product was ready to be used.

The seal I am talking baout was made by God. Not created to be broken, and not created for the reason of being used only when made, but created as a seal to keep what is created intact until it can be delivered to the master.

second. You have to think of the seal in roman times, In this day, a king placed his SEAL or MARK on a document, or declaration he had made, This seal proved to the one who received it that it was directly by the king himself and was thus law, and to be carried out. It GUARANTEES that the message was sent by the king.

The HS is our seal, Sealed by Christ himself, who made the proclamation that we were to be delivered to God for salvation. Unlike the seal of a document, The seal is God himself. and no man canbreak it.

During the flood, God sealed noah and his family in the ark. This typifies what happens with us, In that sealed ark, noah and his family was delivered from Gods judgment, and taken by God himself to the place of deliverance, when the flood waters receded and the ark met dry ground. God sealed them in, there was no way Noah could break the seal of God.

The Holy Spirit seals our inheritance, but, in no way, shape, or, fom, just because we have the Holy Spirit we are entitled to heaven's riches, we are to WORK for our 'mansion' and we humans do so by KEEPING (standing on) the promises that God promised.

1. The HS is our guarantee, if it was Not so, Paul would never have said this seal of the HS was our guarantee of eternal life.
2. Your right, we have to work for any rewards we get when we get there. But getting there must be taken care of first. The seal of the spirit gets us there. many will get their and have zero rewards, as their rewards are burnt in the fire, because they did not work to earn any. But they will still be there, paul makes this clear.

Promisekeepers is,another example, a father gives daughter a 'promise' ring and their is an agreement between them for her to not have sex before marriage, this is something daughter will have to work hard to keep from happening but through her submitting her life and her truest desires to follow Him, she will be kept under His wings, as He leads her in Spirit and,in Truth to keep this promise to her dad.

This is law. It is like God saying here I am giving you a free gift, but you have to earn it by not doing these things. Thus it was never a gift to begin with, but a down payment for our Good deeds.

Again, the keyword is 'promise,' eg (see my first answer of this post).

Yes, the keyword is promise, But who made the promise, Faulty man who can not fulfill his promise, Or God who is completely able to do what he promised to do?

True, there is no other redemption but God in the flesh to earth living, dying, living again , Christ paid it all with His shed blood, but we still have to stand on the promises of God which include His instructions of faithfully following Him post John 3:16, and, this has ALL to do with ACCEPTANCE of Christ's personal leading of our converted life in Him, which will be in Love , based with grace abounding and mercy justly given as we get forgiveness for sins (1 john 1:9), which, are ALL covered-past, present,future- by the precious blood of the Lamb.

John 3: 16 says all who do one thing will HAVE eternal life, and spend eternity with him. That one thing is faith, there are NO OTHER CONDITIONS. why does man want to place a condition on God when God said there is non?

God NEVER breaks His promises. But guess who does (see first answer of this post)

But Gods promise was not based on us, Thus your first post is invalid. God said whoever CALLS ON HIS NAME will be saved, he said he comes knocking, all we have to do is open the door and let him in. He never said Believe in me, and live a life free of sin (which is impossible by the way) and I might let you in, he said whoever believes in me WILL BE SAVED.

His promise is based on his sons death, NOTHING ELSE>

The promise of the Holy Spirit was based on us, Jesus said that we would get (promised) a 'Comforter,' but that that Comforter could not come unto into us who believed on Him until after Christ left earth.

No the promise and guarantee was based on Christ. NOT US, He said whoever believes will be sealed with the HS of promise until the day of redemption (ressurection day) he does not say whoever believes and follows a set of rules might be saved, You will not find that in scripture.

 

[Skinski7]

No the promise and guarantee was based on Christ. NOT US, He said whoever believes will be sealed with the HS of promise until the day of redemption (ressurection day) he does not say whoever believes and follows a set of rules might be saved, You will not find that in scripture.

Believing IS doing.

Unbelief = disobedience.




Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Believeth - pisteuōFrom G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one's spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.


Believeth Not - apeitheō
From G545; to disbelieve (wilfully and perversely): - not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving.


Why was Israel cut off?


18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Unbelief got them cut off.

What does Hebrews say?

Heb 3
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Did Israel "believe" in the existence of God? Absolutely. They did not obey God and thus were deemed to be in unbelief.



Look at Hebrews 11.

Abel was a doer of the word, he did something because his faith was an active faith.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.


How about Enoch?
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Enoch walked with God by faith. Walking was his actions, what he did. Just like Abraham...

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Abraham WALKED in the steps of faith. Righteousness is imputed to those who walk in the steps of faith just like Abraham.

Abraham was a DOER of the word. Abraham obeyed God by his faith. That is the trust the Bible talks about, not magic words with no deeds.

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Look at Noah...

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Noah obeyed God and built the ark. Noah's faith was active, it was a doing faith, it was an obedient faith. Faith without action is dead faith.

Look at what James writes...

Jam 2
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Faith with no deeds is dead. Passive faith is dead faith.

Abraham was justified by the works of faith because obedience and faith is the same thing.

Is James contradicting Paul?

Rom 4
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Not at all because Paul speaks of the "steps of faith" in verse 12 because Paul understands the active dynamic of faith.

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.



What did Abraham find pertaining to the flesh (Rom 4:1)? He found that there is nothing you can do that obligates God to extend His grace (Rom 4:4). Yet that does not negate the deeds of faith being absolutely necessary for faith to be perfect, if there are no deeds or obedience of faith then that faith is just a dead mental assertion that means nothing.

Every example in Hebrews 11 has faith working.

Every parable of Jesus shows the difference between those who DID and those who DID NOT.

It is all so simple.

Yield to God in humble obedience and He will raise you up. Refuse to yield to Him and be cut off.

That is why Jesus taught that you must be a doer of the word and not a hearer only. A doer of the word really believes, a doer of the word has real faith, a doer of the word WORKS TOGETHER with God and the outcome of that dynamic is the salvation of the soul.

 

[cfultz3]

May I only add that obedience to the Spirit is an active obedience. Without one being actively lead by the Spirit, he is Fatherless.
One must actively believe that the Son is who He says He is and will do what He says He will do, or your faith is no longer active.
One is, by active choice, a servant of God, or by choice, in active disobedience.
Freewill to believe, even to obey, is not destroyed once we actively choose God's path. Inasmuch as one can choose to believe, once can choose to disbelieve.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Believing IS doing.

Unbelief = disobedience.

Well since we all have sinned. Are sinning, and will continue to sin until the day we die. I guess we are all in unbelief.

Unless you think John lied when he said we who claim to be without sin are liars.

 

[GreenNnice]

May I only add that obedience to the Spirit is an active obedience. Without one being actively lead by the Spirit, he is Fatherless.
One must actively believe that the Son is who He says He is and will do what He says He will do, or your faith is no longer active.
One is, by active choice, a servant of God, or by choice, in active disobedience.
Freewill to believe, even to obey, is not destroyed once we actively choose God's path. Inasmuch as one can choose to believe, once can choose to disbelieve.

It is your choice to continue believing , even with the Spirit of God in us once received in 'hope,'-- and, Hebrews 6: 1-4 speaks of this partakers of Christ 'being made' to receive Him in us to abide, that contrary to some's belief does not just happen from our becoming a believer following Him, there is 'hope' of Him 'winding' (my word) over us, and, Acts states, too, that those coming to belief 'had yet to receive the Holy Spirit,' , Scripture stating, that one must REPENT before their reception of the Holy Spirit is possible. It is His timing, Acts 1:5, 1:8, 3:38.
Please, too, eg, read swiftly now the great words of naivety, acknowledgment, and, reception, regarding the Holy Spirit in Acts 19:2-6
There is great power in us, having believed on Him through the work of Christ, power that will shake one's world in a great, good way, all by your faith, choosing to obey (not just believe) God, knowing He will never leave you nor forsake you, that He will perfectly lear you through that forgiveness act to a spouse , a great friend that relationship soured, etc. The Lord leads, and, just like Jonah, just like Abraham, we must follow, should, at least, for the Spirit is leading us as He wills.

That is the problem. The seal you spoke of was made by man, Week (on purpose so it could be broken) and created to be broken when the product was ready to be used.

The seal I am talking baout was made by God. Not created to be broken, and not created for the reason of being used only when made, but created as a seal to keep what is created intact until it can be delivered to the master.

second. You have to think of the seal in roman times, In this day, a king placed his SEAL or MARK on a document, or declaration he had made, This seal proved to the one who received it that it was directly by the king himself and was thus law, and to be carried out. It GUARANTEES that the message was sent by the king.

The HS is our seal, Sealed by Christ himself, who made the proclamation that we were to be delivered to God for salvation. Unlike the seal of a document, The seal is God himself. and no man canbreak it.

During the flood, God sealed noah and his family in the ark. This typifies what happens with us, In that sealed ark, noah and his family was delivered from Gods judgment, and taken by God himself to the place of deliverance, when the flood waters receded and the ark met dry ground. God sealed them in, there was no way Noah could break the seal of God.
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1. The HS is our guarantee, if it was Not so, Paul would never have said this seal of the HS was our guarantee of eternal life.
2. Your right, we have to work for any rewards we get when we get there. But getting there must be taken care of first. The seal of the spirit gets us there. many will get their and have zero rewards, as their rewards are burnt in the fire, because they did not work to earn any. But they will still be there, paul makes this clear.



This is law. It is like God saying here I am giving you a free gift, but you have to earn it by not doing these things. Thus it was never a gift to begin with, but a down payment for our Good deeds.



Yes, the keyword is promise, But who made the promise, Faulty man who can not fulfill his promise, Or God who is completely able to do what he promised to do?


John 3: 16 says all who do one thing will HAVE eternal life, and spend eternity with him. That one thing is faith, there are NO OTHER CONDITIONS. why does man want to place a condition on God when God said there is non?


But Gods promise was not based on us, Thus your first post is invalid. God said whoever CALLS ON HIS NAME will be saved, he said he comes knocking, all we have to do is open the door and let him in. He never said Believe in me, and live a life free of sin (which is impossible by the way) and I might let you in, he said whoever believes in me WILL BE SAVED.

His promise is based on his sons death, NOTHING ELSE>




No the promise and guarantee was based on Christ. NOT US, He said whoever believes will be sealed with the HS of promise until the day of redemption (ressurection day) he does not say whoever believes and follows a set of rules might be saved, You will not find that in scripture.

True, Christ promises us eternal life, eg, but....
...we still must believe in 'that' promise. True, too, whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved, but....we must want to stay saved our entire life and that will be 'faith's doing their ENTIRE LIFE in obedience to Him, for by grace THROUGH FAITH is one saved True, too, a seal is a sign of something new but it CAN be broken. Why not? God gives us freewill choice, this is His grade, by the way, as, even of the beginning of time God demonstrated grace, in giving born-of-sin man a CHANCE to choose Him as He drew him/her to Him at appointed time in life, and, God demonstrated mercy, too, early on, real early, when Eve ate of fruit and God did not IMMEDIATELY shake things up but 'fall of man' came when Adam ate of the pomegranate . So, why would one want to leave the Master's hand, I don't know, but Satan is real and He knows IF He can get a Spirit-filled man to leave His Spirit-filled life Satan is VERY close to latching and snatching that man's soul . Read Hebrews 6:4-6 and 1 Timothy 4, those who we can only assume HAD the Holy Spirit leading FELL AWAY , they became faithless , losing Him, in the midst of God remaining faithful to them Too bad, soo sad, but so the Truth .

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[pickles]

Pickled, milady, your name wouldn't be Faith?

No, but Jesus does keep bringing faith in me.
Spent alot of my life walking even when I could not see where I was going.

As I understand my name means pearl, or pure.
Boy! did my parents miss the mark on that one.

God bless
pickles

 

[pickles]

Pickled, what I meant by above was that you have one of the most positive attitudes on here and your posts are laced with God's own wisdom, spoken through you. It takes faith to be positive all the time in something and your faith is in Him, right, so, you, milady, are moving many mountains (not mountain) with the faith grown by you from Him.
The Lord leads, and, what a great, positive, nurturing, teaching, encouraging way of 'faith' He is,leading you on c.c., and, I can only hope and pray, everywhere He leads you.

Its all His glory, for when one has had little, and much taken away, the easyer it becomes to see His glory.

Funny thing is, I still dont like loosing flesh, but Jesus just makes such a good trade.

God bless
pickles

 

[Abiding]

Hi to my favorite Pickle

 

[pickles]

I cannot debate the scriptures as many of you do.
I can only wtness to what has brought His presance, faith fullflled.
Faith is , humility and wlling to follow and set aside even those things you think you need, or is better.
Willing to reliece everything that one is asked, by Jesus.
Even sometimes ones own understanding, or what one believes is what they have gained in faith.
For in Jesus, it is neither gain nor loss, but presant, in His Spirt.
No matter what the world thinks, or sees, for all that is sought is to grow in His Spirit.
In Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
When one refuses, then emptyness and confuson take hold, even sorrow.
Because refusal is a step back to flesh.
For Jesus is trully the way, the truth and the light!
It is in faith we see, walk and work, Jesus brings the way, all needed!

A scripture that keeps me humble.
Do not love me just in word, but in deed and truth as well!

God bless
pickles