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The manuscript evidence from which it came, the trustworthiness of every word, it’s fruit through the years, the time in history in which it came, etc.
This doesn't apply to other translations?
 

John146

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Was it a translation or His Word and Spirit that caused revival? :unsure:
Yep, all the above. The Lord honored the preaching of His word. It came at the perfect time in history.
 

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The primary issue with the westboro baptist church isn't one of doctrine, though I'm sure if it were laid out there would be serious doctrinal errors, but one of missing the spirit. They preach a heavily law-centric ideal but in doing so excuse the sins for which they themselves are guilty by trivializing such things. They preach no gospel at all because all they preach is condemnation for sins, and Jesus came not to condemn the world but to save it. Their extremism more exposes some of the central flaws from a Calvinistic view of God in that the sovereignty of God becomes so fetishized, and "purity" becomes such a focus, that there is no room for grace. God becomes a tyrant dictating lives to the smallest scruple, and any deviation is deserving of hellfire. Yet when we turn to the Bible that is not the God revealed in it's pages. Instead, He desires that all should come to repentance and He is longsuffering in our faults. The god revealed by groups like the westboro baptist church cannot properly said to be Love. Merely a cold, judgmental and unforgiving beast punishing all who dare stray from the path. Certainly not the Shepherd I've found in Jesus.
 
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The primary issue with the westboro baptist church isn't one of doctrine, though I'm sure if it were laid out there would be serious doctrinal errors, but one of missing the spirit. They preach a heavily law-centric ideal but in doing so excuse the sins for which they themselves are guilty by trivializing such things. They preach no gospel at all because all they preach is condemnation for sins, and Jesus came not to condemn the world but to save it. Their extremism more exposes some of the central flaws from a Calvinistic view of God in that the sovereignty of God becomes so fetishized, and "purity" becomes such a focus, that there is no room for grace. God becomes a tyrant dictating lives to the smallest scruple, and any deviation is deserving of hellfire. Yet when we turn to the Bible that is not the God revealed in it's pages. Instead, He desires that all should come to repentance and He is longsuffering in our faults. The god revealed by groups like the westboro baptist church cannot properly said to be Love. Merely a cold, judgmental and unforgiving beast punishing all who dare stray from the path. Certainly not the Shepherd I've found in Jesus.
I don't disagree with all that you've said, but we need to ask ourselves what God asks of us.

Does he ask us to keep his commandments?
 

Bbrdrd

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I don't disagree with all that you've said, but we need to ask ourselves what God asks of us.

Does he ask us to keep his commandments?
Of course we are to keep the commandments of God, but to suggest that our primary motivation should be fear of hellfire is divorced from a God of love. Our motivation in keeping the commandments should not be fear, but coming to understand that the commandments of God are not arbitrary rules set simply to obey but best practices. We harm ourselves by deviating from them, whether that be through homosexuality or something far more common such as telling little white lies. We must be complete in our devotion to God, but our motivations are at least equal to the outcomes so one who "behaves" simply because they fear the wrath of a tyrant is equally at fault as one who chases a forbidden love. There is no benefit to us obeying if we do not recognize the love of our Father.
 
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Of course we are to keep the commandments of God, but to suggest that our primary motivation should be fear of hellfire is divorced from a God of love. Our motivation in keeping the commandments should not be fear, but coming to understand that the commandments of God are not arbitrary rules set simply to obey but best practices. We harm ourselves by deviating from them, whether that be through homosexuality or something far more common such as telling little white lies. We must be complete in our devotion to God, but our motivations are at least equal to the outcomes so one who "behaves" simply because they fear the wrath of a tyrant is equally at fault as one who chases a forbidden love. There is no benefit to us obeying if we do not recognize the love of our Father.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.