What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?

[DiscipleDave]

I am not sure that the disagreements are totally wrong, just need a little adjusting. Correctly stated, we are not supposed to sin to be saved, but this type of sinning is the intentional kind that doesn't intend to stop. The kind that Hebrews 10:26 (If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,) and 1 John 3:6 (No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.) are talking about. On the other side of the discussion is the problem Paul ran into and laid out in Romans chapter seven, which I won't post here, that says there is the spirit being in him and there is the physical body he lives in which are at war with each other and sometimes the body wins. That doesn't mean that Paul has lost his salvation, only that the body wins sometimes.

i was in agreement with what you said above, until the point you said "problem Paul ran into and laid out in Romans Chapter 7" Romans Chapter 7 is a description of Paul's miserable religious life BEFORE he knew Jesus Christ. To interpret Romans Chapter 7 as a description of a Christians life, is FALSE. Paul was describing his miserable life as a religious Pharisee, and after he gets done describing that wretched life that he WAS living he plainly says. "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord." So then He is plainly teaching that it is Jesus Christ that can save a wretched person that he just got done describing in Romans Chapter 7.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

And what does He command us to do?

LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

those who do what Jesus Christ COMMANDED them to do are accepted with Him
Those who do not do what He says will Him say "I never knew you" no matter how many times a day they praise Jesus, or go to Church, or profess Him, and no matter what they BELIEVE either.

Those who Love One Another, have Christ in them.
Many typical Christians today, claim that He lives in them, but they do not Love One Another.

It is the Will of God that we believe on Jesus Christ AND Love One Another. Woe to any person who does not DO BOTH. Woe to them indeed.

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DiscipleDave

love like that would produce good fruits (works) would it not?

It is impossible to "Love One Another" without that being works.

where you been DD i never see you around anymore?

Well i bought a house for $14,600. And i am living in it. 4 bdroom, 2 story house. At one time appraised over $160,000. Sat empty for 2 years. it is a money pit. Yes, just like the movie. i have 5 holes in the roof. black mold in walls, ceilings, and floors. Mushrooms growing in carpet. Humidifier ran nonstop for 2 weeks straight. so moist in fact, that i opened a can of pringles ate some chips, put cap back on, next day, all the pringles in the can were moist. Currently live in one room of the house. Froze until a couple of days ago, put in a wood stove. tied into preexisting chimney. Soot and ash was filled in the chimney 11' high. soot every where in house now. So i go to work 10 hours (1 hour one way) work on house, go to bed. Have been gone a while, like you said. Now that i am nice and cozy in my one room, i have more time. Spring and summer might be a different story though.

Thank you for asking though, it's kind of nice that someone noticed. May God Bless you for that.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

What do you think about how Jesus loved the Pharisees?
If He has a baseball bat, IMO He would have used it to try to wake them up!
He also displayed a lot of love when He overturned the tables in the Temple.

i think He loved them just fine, Yes there are many methods of Loving. But in all that he did, He never hurt anyone.

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DiscipleDave

 

[Grace777x70]

I believe Paul is definitely talking as a Christian in Romans 7. He talks about the inner man wanting to follow God. Paul is describing the inner struggle between the law of sin in the flesh and the inner man in the spirit which is the new creation in Christ.

Romans 7:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer amI ( the new man ) the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me (in my body which has the flesh with the power of sin in it ).

[SUP]18[/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me (my body which has the flesh in it ), that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me ( in my new man ), but the doing of the good is not.

Romans 7:20-23 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I ( new man) do not want, I ( new man ) am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me ( in the flesh).

[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me (new man ), the one who wants to do good.

[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, ( new man),

[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

italics = my words

Then Romans chapter 8 comes in and shows us how to walk according to the Spirit and not the flesh to put to death the deeds of the body ( flesh in the body ). Rom 8:13

We are not fighting a civil war within ourselves ( the flesh and the law of sin do not belong to our new nature which in Christ. ). Jesus said " A house divided will not stand."

We do not have "2 selves" we have the true self in Christ and we still have the flesh. Even though the flesh manifests "itself" with "it's" lusts through our bodies - it is not the real us in Christ.

We are still responsible for the deeds done in the body as they will affect our life here on this earth. Sin is destructive and will destroy us and those around us if we don't walk by the spirit - our true selves in Christ.

As long as we are on this earth and in this body we will have to contend with the world, the flesh and the devil a and none of these are us.

We are not of the world, nor the flesh, nor the devil.

The good news is that our Lord Jesus Christ has defeated all 3 of them and now we just need to walk in the truth of this!

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

How is this NOT a Faith only doctrine? Do not those who believe and teach Faith ONLY teach this as well?

What you say above is TRUE, but it is only part of the TRUTH. You must believe and OBEY Him, as it is written in the Word of God. Believing only is not enough, this is also written in the Word of God. Please pay attention to the Holy Inspired Word of God and what it plainly teaches:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, AND love one another, as he gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

You say and teach that we should believe ONLY, and that is enough for eternal Salvation. But Scriptures teaches in many different places that believing is not the ONLY thing that is REQUIRED. You do greatly error if you think it is enough. (Note: i would have made the word AND in the above verse even bigger if i could have, so this generation does not miss it) Believing AND Loving One Another is what is REQUIRED for all those who will be accepted by Jesus Christ. Woe to those who believe that believing is enough, woe to them indeed, for they are picking and choosing which verses they will adhere to, and which verses they will ignore, such as the one given above.

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DiscipleDave

All of the things you think you have to do are provided by Christ. But if you are busy thinking that it is by your power and strength that it is accomplished you are not receiving these things from Christ. Why?

Who told you that i think it is by my own power and strength? Is it not in your own mind that makes you think that i think that? i have never said that or even implied that.

Because, as your faith is so it is unto you.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

If you've begun in the Spirit then you know it isn't by your work that you receive from the Lord nor is it by your work that you obey Him.

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Do you need Faith to be saved? Its given. Do you need Love? Its given. Self-control? Its given.

The just live by faith. Why?

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

You can't abide in Christ by providing your love from your strength. You can't abide in Christ by providing your obedience to His Commands from your own will and understanding. That would be attempting to be perfect by your own flesh.

You abide in Christ by Faith. Christ provides the fruit of obedience through His Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Know you not what that verse just said. Those who walk not after the flesh, are they that now have no condemnation because they are in Christ. Read the verse, understand what it is saying. You seem to forget that free will is given to us by God. We choose to either walk after the flesh or walk after the spirit of God. What? Does Jesus make you do good things? After reading what you have just said above, it would seem you think so. If that were True, then you would never be tempted to do evil again, because Jesus in you prevents you from doing them. According to you, Jesus in you causes you to do good. Where is choice then? Where is free will?
You choose to do good or you choose to do evil. God does not MAKE you do either. Now those who desire to please God will choose to do good, those who desire to please self will choose to do evil.
A man is hurt and beaten across the street. God does not make you go help him. satan does not Make you not help him. Those who are walking in the flesh, will walk on by not helping them for this or that reason. Those who are walking in the spirit will help because they will have compassion on him. But you choose to either help or not help. YOu choose to be led by the spirit or led by self.

Anytime you say woe to the people or you tell them they must do this or must do that you are encouraging them to walk after the flesh. You are leading them the wrong way.

Are you serious? If i tell them they must obey the Word of God and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, i am encouraging them to walk after the flesh? huh? If i tell people they MUST obey Jesus, i am encouraging them to walk after the flesh? How is that exactly? How is telling people to Love One Another, or obey Jesus encouraging them to walk after the flesh.
How is telling people to Love One Another the wrong way? Do you even know what walking after the flesh is? Walking after the flesh is doing anything to please, gratify, promote, SELF. Name me one sin that a person Knowingly and willingly commits that is not SELFISHNESS? Name one. Those who walk after the flesh think of self, those who walk after the spirit think of others, even above their own self.

Anytime you say woe to the people or you tell them they must do this or must do that you are encouraging them to walk after the flesh. You are leading them the wrong way.

If i say to people they must do this or must do that because it is what i say, then yes you are right, that is evil and comes from me. But if i say and teach you must do what the Word of God says to do or not to do, then it is not from me, but from God. Jesus and all the Apostle taught what we must do and must not do, were they also encouraging people to walk in the flesh because they did so? Were they leading people wrong, because they taught what Christians MUST do and MUST NOT do?

I am talking to saved Christians, of course... As I assumed you were as well.

My teaching is not for Saved Christians, for they know the TRUTH given to them by the Holy Spirit of God. My teaching and calling is to those who profess to be Christians and will be rejected by Jesus Christ, when He tells them "I never knew you, those who practice sin" My Calling is to those who profess Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior, yet they knowingly and willingly obey His enemy the devil and continue to live in sins. These are they that i was born to reprove, rebuke, and exhort them to REPENT of their sins, and start living a life unto Jesus Christ and not unto their own selves by continually obeying His enemy.
When Jesus Christ appears He will take one out of a thousand people, and two out of a hundred thousand. Do the math. Many are called (get saved) But only a few are chosen, and i mean it is a very few.

Enter in at the narrow and difficult gate that leads to life everlasting, NOT the wide and easy gate, that many will go into. And don't think it is the UNSAVED that are on the wide and easy path. The UNSAVED are unsaved, they are not on any path at all, they don't believe in any gates, narrow or otherwise. Those who are on a path (narrow or wide, God knows) are all professed Christians, But many choose the wide and easy gate, such as the doctrine OSAS, how much easier can it get with that doctrine. But Narrow and difficult is the path that leads to life everlasting, you better start finding out what that means, before it is to late and you are told by Jesus that you took the wrong path, that you took the EASY path, easy Christianity path. All of you have been warned.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

I believe Paul is definitely talking as a Christian in Romans 7. He talks about the inner man wanting to follow God. Paul is describing the inner struggle between the law of sin in the flesh and the inner man in the spirit which is the new creation in Christ.

Doesn't Paul describe that person as a wretched person? And who is able to help a wretched person that he just described. Jesus Christ can change a person, to where they are no longer in that wretched condition that Paul describes in Romans Chapter 7.

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DiscipleDave

 

[jaybird88]

It is impossible to "Love One Another" without that being works.

my thoughts exactly

Well i bought a house for $14,600. And i am living in it. 4 bdroom, 2 story house. At one time appraised over $160,000. Sat empty for 2 years. it is a money pit. Yes, just like the movie. i have 5 holes in the roof. black mold in walls, ceilings, and floors. Mushrooms growing in carpet. Humidifier ran nonstop for 2 weeks straight. so moist in fact, that i opened a can of pringles ate some chips, put cap back on, next day, all the pringles in the can were moist. Currently live in one room of the house. Froze until a couple of days ago, put in a wood stove. tied into preexisting chimney. Soot and ash was filled in the chimney 11' high. soot every where in house now. So i go to work 10 hours (1 hour one way) work on house, go to bed. Have been gone a while, like you said. Now that i am nice and cozy in my one room, i have more time. Spring and summer might be a different story though.

Thank you for asking though, it's kind of nice that someone noticed. May God Bless you for that.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

haha i wouldnt know anything about that, i have only spent all my free time the last month on 2 roofs and under a house re working plumbing for my GF, her sister and grandfather. it has taught me i am not as young as i used to be.
good to see you back.

 

[Grace777x70]

Doesn't Paul describe that person as a wretched person? And who is able to help a wretched person that he just described. Jesus Christ can change a person, to where they are no longer in that wretched condition that Paul describes in Romans Chapter 7.

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DiscipleDave

People are wretched because they don't want to be a slave to sin but when we understand the law of the spirit of life in Christ sets us free from the law of sin and death - we become free to live by the spirit within - the inner man that is in Christ.

The understanding of the circumcision of Christ from the body of flesh is paramount in walking by the spirit. It is the cutting away of the flesh from the spirit of man that is in Christ - the new creation. This is why sin does not have dominion over us. There is a difference between sin - the noun and sinning - the verb.

A sinner that is not in Christ doesn't care a flip about living free from sin - only the new creation in Christ does that.

I firmly believe that Romans 7 is definitely talking about a person that is a Christian that wants to live godly in this present world as outlined in post #524.

The understanding that we are not in the flesh but in the spirit in Romans 8 is paramount to growing up in Christ. Knowing that we are not condemned because we are "in Christ Jesus" ( Romans 8:1 ) is how this process all starts.

Get this wrong and we end up creating works-based religions to maintain righteousness.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

No I am sorry Grace, Paul is talking vicariously in Romans 7 as one under the Law

[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] (for I speak to them that know the law,)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

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People are wretched because they don't want to be a slave to sin but when we understand the law of the spirit of life in Christ sets us free from the law of sin and death - we become free to live by the spirit within - the inner man that is in Christ.

The understanding of the circumcision of Christ from the body of flesh is paramount in walking by the spirit. It is the cutting away of the flesh from the spirit of man that is in Christ - the new creation. This is why sin does not have dominion over us. There is a difference between sin - the noun and sinning - the verb.

A sinner that is not in Christ doesn't care a flip about living free from sin - only the new creation in Christ does that.

I firmly believe that Romans 7 is definitely talking about a person that is a Christian that wants to live godly in this present world as outlined in post #524.

The understanding that we are not in the flesh but in the spirit in Romans 8 is paramount to growing up in Christ. Knowing that we are not condemned because we are "in Christ Jesus" ( Romans 8:1 ) is how this process all starts.

Get this wrong and we end up creating works-based religions to maintain righteousness.

 

[Grace777x70]

No I am sorry Grace, Paul is talking vicariously in Romans 7 as one under the Law

(for I speak to them that know the law,)

(for I speak to them that know the law,)

I see that Paul said that in Romans 7:1 as an analogy about the law and divorce to those that know the law in order to explain how the believer in Christ has died to the law SO THAT we could be joined to another - Christ Himself.

I don't see how this has any bearing on what was posted in #524 which in my mind clearly shows the inner man wanting to do good and the flesh with the law of sin in it wanting to do "it's desires". But we are free to think however we view things now too....

To me this fits with walking according to the flesh and according to the spirit and explains the circumcision of the heart/Christ.

Romans 7:1-6 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?

[SUP]2 [/SUP] For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Yeh but Romans 7 latter part is not the struggles of a born again believer, it is about somebody locked into the bondage of legalism.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Well i bought a house for $14,600. And i am living in it. 4 bdroom, 2 story house. At one time appraised over $160,000. Sat empty for 2 years. it is a money pit. Yes, just like the movie. i have 5 holes in the roof. black mold in walls, ceilings, and floors. Mushrooms growing in carpet. Humidifier ran nonstop for 2 weeks straight. so moist in fact, that i opened a can of pringles ate some chips, put cap back on, next day, all the pringles in the can were moist. Currently live in one room of the house. Froze until a couple of days ago, put in a wood stove. tied into preexisting chimney. Soot and ash was filled in the chimney 11' high. soot every where in house now. So i go to work 10 hours (1 hour one way) work on house, go to bed. Have been gone a while, like you said. Now that i am nice and cozy in my one room, i have more time. Spring and summer might be a different story though.

Thank you for asking though, it's kind of nice that someone noticed. May God Bless you for that.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

haha i wouldnt know anything about that, i have only spent all my free time the last month on 2 roofs and under a house re working plumbing for my GF, her sister and grandfather. it has taught me i am not as young as i used to be.
good to see you back.

lol. my mind says you can do it all yourself, praise God. But my body keeps on saying "You should pay somebody to do this"

Good to be back, who know for how long, the Lord willing.


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DiscipleDave

 

[ZacharyB]

Hebrews 5
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

The grace-only OSAS believers
insist that these verses only refer to
the necessity of believing in the gospel.

They insist on rationalization and excuses for their sins!

Sinning is the "in" thing in western churches
... with obedience not being necessary!

 

[ZacharyB]

... repent and sin no more and follow God in his laws
or face judgement and destruction.

Yes, this is what true Christianity is all about.

On the other side of the argument is ...

"Satan is the god/ruler of this world/age" (John 12:31, 2 Cor 4:4),
who has deceived multitudes of "believers" in the western church!

 

[ZacharyB]

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Paul wrote this, and all of Ephesians, ONLY to the "faithful" saints!

Everyone here needs to figure out what to be "faithful" means!

It sure does NOT mean ... to be a habitual unrepentant sinner!

 

[ZacharyB]

i think He loved them just fine, Yes there are many methods of Loving.
But in all that he did, He never hurt anyone.

He did a lot more than hurt their feelings! ... He deeply offended them!

Just like I do with many here!

People who are totally deceived about their standing with God
are deeply offended when they are confronted with the Truth.

People, you must deal with the anti-OSAS NT verses!
Don't ignore and reject them.

 

[ZacharyB]

Those who walk not after the flesh,
are they that now have no condemnation because they are in Christ.

Yes, obviously, "believers" who habitually sin without repentance are no longer "in Christ".

Just because people may still have the indwelling Holy Spirit convicting them of their sin
does not mean they "in Christ".

The NT screams at us ... those who are habitually sinning are condemned big-time!

 

[Grandpa]

Who told you that i think it is by my own power and strength? Is it not in your own mind that makes you think that i think that? i have never said that or even implied that.



Know you not what that verse just said. Those who walk not after the flesh, are they that now have no condemnation because they are in Christ. Read the verse, understand what it is saying. You seem to forget that free will is given to us by God. We choose to either walk after the flesh or walk after the spirit of God. What? Does Jesus make you do good things? After reading what you have just said above, it would seem you think so. If that were True, then you would never be tempted to do evil again, because Jesus in you prevents you from doing them. According to you, Jesus in you causes you to do good. Where is choice then? Where is free will?
You choose to do good or you choose to do evil. God does not MAKE you do either. Now those who desire to please God will choose to do good, those who desire to please self will choose to do evil.
A man is hurt and beaten across the street. God does not make you go help him. satan does not Make you not help him. Those who are walking in the flesh, will walk on by not helping them for this or that reason. Those who are walking in the spirit will help because they will have compassion on him. But you choose to either help or not help. YOu choose to be led by the spirit or led by self.

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Are you serious? If i tell them they must obey the Word of God and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, i am encouraging them to walk after the flesh? huh? If i tell people they MUST obey Jesus, i am encouraging them to walk after the flesh? How is that exactly? How is telling people to Love One Another, or obey Jesus encouraging them to walk after the flesh.
How is telling people to Love One Another the wrong way? Do you even know what walking after the flesh is? Walking after the flesh is doing anything to please, gratify, promote, SELF. Name me one sin that a person Knowingly and willingly commits that is not SELFISHNESS? Name one. Those who walk after the flesh think of self, those who walk after the spirit think of others, even above their own self.



If i say to people they must do this or must do that because it is what i say, then yes you are right, that is evil and comes from me. But if i say and teach you must do what the Word of God says to do or not to do, then it is not from me, but from God. Jesus and all the Apostle taught what we must do and must not do, were they also encouraging people to walk in the flesh because they did so? Were they leading people wrong, because they taught what Christians MUST do and MUST NOT do?




My teaching is not for Saved Christians, for they know the TRUTH given to them by the Holy Spirit of God. My teaching and calling is to those who profess to be Christians and will be rejected by Jesus Christ, when He tells them "I never knew you, those who practice sin" My Calling is to those who profess Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior, yet they knowingly and willingly obey His enemy the devil and continue to live in sins. These are they that i was born to reprove, rebuke, and exhort them to REPENT of their sins, and start living a life unto Jesus Christ and not unto their own selves by continually obeying His enemy.
When Jesus Christ appears He will take one out of a thousand people, and two out of a hundred thousand. Do the math. Many are called (get saved) But only a few are chosen, and i mean it is a very few.

Enter in at the narrow and difficult gate that leads to life everlasting, NOT the wide and easy gate, that many will go into. And don't think it is the UNSAVED that are on the wide and easy path. The UNSAVED are unsaved, they are not on any path at all, they don't believe in any gates, narrow or otherwise. Those who are on a path (narrow or wide, God knows) are all professed Christians, But many choose the wide and easy gate, such as the doctrine OSAS, how much easier can it get with that doctrine. But Narrow and difficult is the path that leads to life everlasting, you better start finding out what that means, before it is to late and you are told by Jesus that you took the wrong path, that you took the EASY path, easy Christianity path. All of you have been warned.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Maybe you are talking to your own self. You still haven't figured out that Salvation is not from your work but from Gods Work.

I suppose most people in the world think they are working their way to heaven doing good things. Steps to heaven.

Ephesians 2:8-10
[FONT=&quot]8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[FONT=&quot]9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[FONT=&quot]10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Salvation doesn't come from you. You don't place yourself on the narrow path.

Do you want to truly repent? Turn from all of your own ways and turn to Christ. Receive Rest from Him from all of your ways and your own work at what you think is obedience.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Yes, obviously, "believers" who habitually sin without repentance are no longer "in Christ".

Just because people may still have the indwelling Holy Spirit convicting them of their sin
does not mean they "in Christ".

The NT screams at us ... those who are habitually sinning are condemned big-time!

"Christ was given, not for picayune and imaginary transgressions, but for mountainous sins; not for one or two, but for all; not for sins that can be discarded, but for sins that are stubbornly ingrained.”


― Martin Luther

 

[ZacharyB]

The NT screams at us ... those who are habitually sinning are condemned big-time!

I must repeat, and offer great HOPE to such UNFAITHFUL born-again believers ...

Develop the correct heart attitude towards your Lord and Savior,
and start sincerely REPENTING of your sins ...
and Jesus, your great and wonderful Lord,
will wash your sins away with His precious blood.
(1 John 1:7-9)