What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?

[PeterJens]

A PM from EG - I am astounded at the presumption involved

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Love chastens, and corrects, even though he know it hurts.

Nothing you have said concerning me is true.. Nothing you have said concerning those who preach a gospel by faith alone is true.. Nothing you have said about what you really believe is true, it is contradictory.

But sadly, you do not want to hear it, and will do anything, even attack, to get people to not see what is really the truth..

It is what religious people do. I lived it, remember..

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I will say this simple observation, the word "nothing" is not a good idea.
It is said to insult, because it is a not true, so has to be a lie, propoganda.

This is just the pure rejection of an individual and all they stand for. In relationship
terms it is, I will not accept anything you say.

The power of the words is just this total rejection. But my brothers and sisters,
this kind of approach has nothing to do with Jesus, and the work of the Holy Spirit
and everything to do with indoctrination and heresy.

I leave it to you to draw your own conclusion as to the fruit this represents and the
heart from which it comes. EG certainly has conviction.

 

[Stephen63]

No it is CC. I left because of all the hate, I was hoping it had calmed down. But thread after thread same ole stuff.. It is no wonder we have had a mass exodus of good people the past 6 months.

Again YOUR A LIAR. YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT TRUE, this is NOT what you are judged for.


How can you stand there or sit there and continue with this nonsense? It amazes me how people can be so out there, they continue to say things which are not true.

See? There's that hatred I was talkin about!

He said he "left" because of the hate & all..... but there he is, spouting poison once again.

Methinks he is part of the "exodus" problem.

On the same page he's talking outta both sides of his mouth, first crying bout the arguing & fighting, & then he argues & fights.

You call PJ a liar, while you're playing the hypocrite. Time to pull the beam out.

 

[Stephen63]

Yeah Yeah, thats right, Your so innocent..

ps. it is not the doctrine that got people banned, if that was true, we would have had a few people banned since then.

It is the FIGHTING and the attacks that got people banned. or will get them banned.

Nobody said I was innocent. That's your way of justifying yourself. I showed fighting in your last post, yet, here you are.

I'm beginning to wonder if some here get special treatment.

 

[gb9]

I guess ( hope ) I can say this- eternally grateful , grace777x7, myself, and others are not a " group". now if others p.m. each other a lot, that I do not know, but I do not p.m. very often at all. probably less than 15 between myself and them this year. just so ya'll ( peter) know.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A PM from EG - I am astounded at the presumption involved

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Love chastens, and corrects, even though he know it hurts.

Nothing you have said concerning me is true.. Nothing you have said concerning those who preach a gospel by faith alone is true.. Nothing you have said about what you really believe is true, it is contradictory.

But sadly, you do not want to hear it, and will do anything, even attack, to get people to not see what is really the truth..

It is what religious people do. I lived it, remember..

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I will say this simple observation, the word "nothing" is not a good idea.
It is said to insult, because it is a not true, so has to be a lie, propoganda.

This is just the pure rejection of an individual and all they stand for. In relationship
terms it is, I will not accept anything you say.

The power of the words is just this total rejection. But my brothers and sisters,
this kind of approach has nothing to do with Jesus, and the work of the Holy Spirit
and everything to do with indoctrination and heresy.

I leave it to you to draw your own conclusion as to the fruit this represents and the
heart from which it comes. EG certainly has conviction.

wow dude, You PM'd me, saying I had anger issues, and now your going to spread my response it all over the internet?

You are an evil man Peter. The mods should take action..

in fact. I think this is worthy of a report..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

See? There's that hatred I was talkin about!

He said he "left" because of the hate & all..... but there he is, spouting poison once again.

Methinks he is part of the "exodus" problem.

On the same page he's talking outta both sides of his mouth, first crying bout the arguing & fighting, & then he argues & fights.

You call PJ a liar, while you're playing the hypocrite. Time to pull the beam out.

yeah come on diue, Prove me wrong. Prove what I said about peter is wrong.


Hate is saying a lie about someone, Slandering them, and attacking them, Show me the lie I shared about Peter.

Come on put your money where your mouth is, Or shut up!!

 

[Stephen63]

Blessing a child of God. and saving a non child of God are not the same

That's your problem. Your trying to take promises given ONLY to children of God (sanctification). and making them pre requisites for becoming a child of God. (Legalism)

That's a false gospel. or works.

Again,

You said God accepts us how we are. You lied. Period.

HyperGrace folks state they can't stand the hellfire preaching, crying:
"legalism".
"God's not like that".

Yet when they post, like this one does, doesn't it sound like the same kind of "preaching" they say is sinful & wrong? They call it "beating them over the head" preaching.

Now, look at him beating people over the head. People that do what they say "don't do" are hypocrites. I didn't judge, just stated the definition. EG fits the definition.

I would wish he would practice what he preaches, for then I would come closer to accepting him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nobody said I was innocent. That's your way of justifying yourself. I showed fighting in your last post, yet, here you are.

I'm beginning to wonder if some here get special treatment.

yeah yeah, it is always someone else Again, SHow me where i was wrong..


better yet, Put me back on ignore..

Funny how you have me on ignore. and you just respond when you think you have something.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

HyperGrace folks state they can't stand the hellfire preaching, crying:
"legalism".
"God's not like that".
Yet when they post, like this one does, doesn't it sound like the same kind of "preaching" they say is sinful & wrong? They call it "beating them over the head" preaching.

Now, look at him beating people over the head. People that do what they say "don't do" are hypocrites. I didn't judge, just stated the definition. EG fits the definition.

I would wish he would practice what he preaches, for then I would come closer to accepting him.

Well since I am not hypergrace. or part of that movement, You just made a fool of yourself

oh and by the way, I thought we were not supposed to mention those people anymore. Do you need to reread the mods warning?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess ( hope ) I can say this- eternally grateful , grace777x7, myself, and others are not a " group". now if others p.m. each other a lot, that I do not know, but I do not p.m. very often at all. probably less than 15 between myself and them this year. just so ya'll ( peter) know.

I made the mistake of responding to hs PM. Thinking maybe he was open to finally listen.

See if that ever happens again..

 

[gb9]

HyperGrace folks state they can't stand the hellfire preaching, crying:
"legalism".
"God's not like that".

Yet when they post, like this one does, doesn't it sound like the same kind of "preaching" they say is sinful & wrong? They call it "beating them over the head" preaching.

Now, look at him beating people over the head. People that do what they say "don't do" are hypocrites. I didn't judge, just stated the definition. EG fits the definition.

I would wish he would practice what he preaches, for then I would come closer to accepting him.

so, I guess when I go to church on Sunday, hear story after story about how college students in the college town ( uga) that I live, how these young folks leave a lifestyle of partying, casual sex, drugs, etc.. and start following Jesus, it does not " count" because no one threatened them with hell. I guess " hellfire " pastors just like screaming at the same faces every week, and not leading new folks to Christ.

 

[zone]

I am sorry to point out your mistake. We are sinners because of what we have done, sin, we
are not sin itself. So when we are cleansed, purified and made whole, we do not have to sin again.
In your mind you stay a sinner even though you are forgiven.

You do not see the obvious disbelief in this. It is why Jesus said your sins are forgiven, and in one case said this

“See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”
John 5:14

So though you think, "I have got him", you have nothing. And I have made no mistake.
I just do not understand how any believer could make these simple errors like you do.

An ancient heresy of the distinction between two types of Christians, carnal and Spirit-filled, is the heresy of perfectionism. Perfectionism teaches that there is a class of Christians who achieve moral perfection in this life. To be sure, credit is given to the Holy Spirit as the agent who brings total victory over sin to the Christian. But there is a kind of elitism in perfectionism, a feeling that those who have achieved perfection are somehow greater than other Christians. The “perfect” ones do not officially—take credit for their state, but smugness and pride have a way of creeping in.

The peril of perfectionism is that it seriously distorts the human mind. Imagine the contortions through which we must put ourselves to delude us into thinking that we have in fact achieved a state of sinlessness.

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Inevitably the error of perfectionism breeds one, or usually two, deadly delusions. To convince ourselves that we have achieved sinlessness, we must either suffer from a radical overestimation of our moral performance or we must seriously underestimate the requirements of God’s law. The irony of perfectionism is this: Though it seeks to distance itself from antinomianism, it relentlessly and inevitably comes full circle to the same error.....

The Heresy of Perfectionism

 

[PeterJens]

wow dude, You PM'd me, saying I had anger issues, and now your going to spread my response it all over the internet?
You are an evil man Peter. The mods should take action..
in fact. I think this is worthy of a report..

Thankyou EG for confirming your response.

Do you think I feel loved and accepted by you?

You posted that I lie.
You have not actually said about what. You have talked about religious
people do not understand different issues about righteousness.

I PM you about your approach.

You responded by totally rejecting me and all I represent.

I then showed this to the thread, which demonstrates you attitude.
You now call me evil.

These are all your words, not things I have written or done.

You are one confused man, who does not know whether they are coming or
going.

Your specific emotion to me is one of hatred.

Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him
1 John 3:15

 

[Grace777x70]

I encourage all of us to read the below verses and to walk away.

Romans 16:17

1 Cor. 15:33

Hebrews 12:15

 

[Stephen63]

No peter You do not agree, You do not say, God powers us, Then say we can resist God.. That is boasting in self. and not relying on the power of god.

My bible says the one who began a good work in me will perfect it until the day of Christ, It does not say God will fail YOU are the one saying God can fail Because you put self will above God



Liar Liar pants on fire. I am so sick of this crap Peter. When are you going to listen to what people say, and stop slandering them?

To our readers..... Notice how one person accuses the other of evil things? One writes peacefully, while the other continually rants.

What we actually see here is the accuser accusing the other of doing what they themselves are doing. This is called projection.

Is this in the Bible? Actually, it is, if you look for it.

Pharisees’ Blasphemy

Luke 11:14And He was casting out a demon, and it was mute; when the demon had gone out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed. 15But some of them said, “He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.” 16Others, to test Him, were demanding of Him a sign from heaven. 17But He knew their thoughts and said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and a house divided against itself falls. 18“If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul. 19“And if I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? So they will be your judges. 20“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Now I ask you, who really is being led around by devils? The very ones that accused Jesus of doing so.

So, we can look at this thread & see the same types of people that accused Jesus doing the same thing.

 

[PeterJens]

An ancient heresy of the distinction between two types of Christians, carnal and Spirit-filled, is the heresy of perfectionism. Perfectionism teaches that there is a class of Christians who achieve moral perfection in this life. To be sure, credit is given to the Holy Spirit as the agent who brings total victory over sin to the Christian. But there is a kind of elitism in perfectionism, a feeling that those who have achieved perfection are somehow greater than other Christians. The “perfect” ones do not officially—take credit for their state, but smugness and pride have a way of creeping in.

The peril of perfectionism is that it seriously distorts the human mind. Imagine the contortions through which we must put ourselves to delude us into thinking that we have in fact achieved a state of sinlessness.

...

Inevitably the error of perfectionism breeds one, or usually two, deadly delusions. To convince ourselves that we have achieved sinlessness, we must either suffer from a radical overestimation of our moral performance or we must seriously underestimate the requirements of God’s law. The irony of perfectionism is this: Though it seeks to distance itself from antinomianism, it relentlessly and inevitably comes full circle to the same error.....

The Heresy of Perfectionism

I agree this is always a problem. There is always a tension between walking in the ways
of Jesus and the idea of arriving at some elite position. For me the idea is to know walking
in love is walking in the way of Jesus.

The problem has always been when people start getting into hyper legalism where they are
sinning all the time, there is no place of peace or acceptance.

So a simple principle of keeping short accounts with God is being called evil and legalistic,
rejecting repentance and confession in the traditional christian sense.

So I agree with your point, but equally I think we have lost our sense of holiness and
righteousness in our walk because we no longer have confidence about rules and behaviour
within our culture, so now question the relevance in our faith as well.

 

[PeterJens]

I made the mistake of responding to hs PM. Thinking maybe he was open to finally listen.
See if that ever happens again..

Got to laugh. Douching someone is not believing they are open to anything.
The problem with this kind of anger and agression is it is completely biased, with
no areas of contact.

But it is good training in knowing who walk in love and who do not.
The thorns beneath the surface describe the heart to which it belongs.

 

[PeterJens]

Being righteous (perfect) and walking in righteousness (walking in the spirit, or in Gods will) are two different things.
That is what the religious can not comprehend It is like saying God accepts us exacty how we are. But only if we meet this standard..

Thankyou EG.

In your mind walking without sin (perfection), is different from walking in Gods will. So it is
possible to sin within Gods will. Or to put it another way, God wants us to sin.

Now in the world of concepts, if a sinner can never be cleansed and washed clean, so
never be regarded by God as pure and blameless, then salvation is impossible.

So for the believer to be cleansed, to be pure, to be blameless as Paul writes he must
become perfectly acceptable to God.

Now walking in the Spirit is walking without sinning, doing Gods will. So this ofcourse is
a good thing and not separate from having the love of the Father on us.

But it is all without sin. Now please can you explain how sin in your ideas comes into
this because it is all very confusing and sounds like you are just excusing rebellion.

I do not expect EG to answer this, because he cannot.
What is our goal in the end? To be like Jesus.

Being in Christ is learning how to walk in love. If we cannot define this and what
walking in the spirit or commiting sin, we cannot disciple ourselves or others.

And this is the modern church dilemma. How do you disciple people if you
have abandoned the reference points in your theology. You do not even
try.

 

[FlSnookman7]

EG, both pj and steph have been reported. Probably best to just ignore them as all they do is attempt to cause discord.

 

[PeterJens]

EG - God loves you and wants you to walk in His ways.

The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love.
Psalm 33:5