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Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect !
Matt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
After God had created Adam, the annoucement from Him was that Man was very good [Gen 1:31] , but He did not say he was perfect.
Gods Purpose for Man was beyond him just being very good, but that He would be perfect !
It was that he would be this:
Eph 1:4
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
This end was not to be found in Adam ! 89
Matt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
After God had created Adam, the annoucement from Him was that Man was very good [Gen 1:31] , but He did not say he was perfect.
Gods Purpose for Man was beyond him just being very good, but that He would be perfect !
It was that he would be this:
Eph 1:4
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
This end was not to be found in Adam ! 89
Gal 3:21
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life [Eternal life], verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Those who have understanding, will realize that this scripture indicates that Eternal Life was never intended with Adam, for he was made under a law covenant. At best, Adam, had he not sinned, would have continued in a state of natural life and happiness, but Gods Eternal Purpose of Eternal Life in Christ, far exceeded the Life God had designed for man, such life as the redeemed shall enjoy in heaven and the renewed earth. But this Eternal Life pertained to a Covenant of Grace, from everlasting, whereby God Promised Eternal Life Titus 1:2
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
This Promise was before Adam was created under the covenant of works in the garden !
It was made before the world was, A Promise made to the Surety of the Covenant, Christ the Son of God, who existed as the Federal Head of His People, His Church, His Body, it was made to Him for them. He asked life of His Father for them in this Covenant, and the Father gave it to Him, even length of Days for ever and ever !
2 Tim 1:1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
Ps 21:1-5
1The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice!
2Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah.
3For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head.
4He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever.
5His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him.
Isa 53:10
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life [Eternal life], verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Those who have understanding, will realize that this scripture indicates that Eternal Life was never intended with Adam, for he was made under a law covenant. At best, Adam, had he not sinned, would have continued in a state of natural life and happiness, but Gods Eternal Purpose of Eternal Life in Christ, far exceeded the Life God had designed for man, such life as the redeemed shall enjoy in heaven and the renewed earth. But this Eternal Life pertained to a Covenant of Grace, from everlasting, whereby God Promised Eternal Life Titus 1:2
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
This Promise was before Adam was created under the covenant of works in the garden !
It was made before the world was, A Promise made to the Surety of the Covenant, Christ the Son of God, who existed as the Federal Head of His People, His Church, His Body, it was made to Him for them. He asked life of His Father for them in this Covenant, and the Father gave it to Him, even length of Days for ever and ever !
2 Tim 1:1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
Ps 21:1-5
1The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice!
2Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah.
3For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head.
4He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever.
5His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him.
Isa 53:10
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Adam was suppose to sin !
Many people do not understand, but Adam was suppose to sin, to make way for Gods Greater and Eternal Purpose through Christ. Eph 3:9-11,8
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Adam was created subservient to the Eternal Redemptive Purpose of Christ and the Mystery of the Gentiles.
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
That is, Adams sin and bringing sin into the world was needful and important for the grander purpose of preaching the unsearchable riches of Christ ! 93
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Adam was created subservient to the Eternal Redemptive Purpose of Christ and the Mystery of the Gentiles.
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
That is, Adams sin and bringing sin into the world was needful and important for the grander purpose of preaching the unsearchable riches of Christ ! 93
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Present every Man Perfect in Christ !
Col 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Before God created the world, the Earth, it was Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:8-11
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
It was His Eternal Purpose to Present every man Perfect through Christ, not Adam !
Adam was purposed to sin against God in order that he himself and his seed would be presented perfect in Christ.
Col 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Before God created the world, the Earth, it was Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:8-11
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
It was His Eternal Purpose to Present every man Perfect through Christ, not Adam !
Adam was purposed to sin against God in order that he himself and his seed would be presented perfect in Christ.
lol forgive meGather together all things in Christ, not adam !
Eph 1:9-10
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The Eternal Purpose of creation was to in the fulness of time gather together all things [beings] both men and angels in Christ.
Adam was not created for that purpose, for he could never had been the head of angels which were in heaven.97
Eph 1:9-10
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The Eternal Purpose of creation was to in the fulness of time gather together all things [beings] both men and angels in Christ.
Adam was not created for that purpose, for he could never had been the head of angels which were in heaven.97
God, before He created adam, in His Eternal Purpose in Christ, had determined to unite all things unto Him as to be governed by Christ. Christ must needs be, by Sovereign Eternal decree and purpose ,become the Head of a New Creation.
Adam was not to be this Head. All creation was to have a harmonious unity in Him [Jesus Christ] for whom All things were made Col 1:14-18
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Many today, being blinded by the devil, the god of this world, give adam the preeminence over creation instead of Jesus Christ.
They believe Jesus was a backup plan of God, because of Adam's failure, not realizing that adam was created subservient to and to serve the Eternal redemptive purpose centered in Christ Jesus.
Thats what Eph 1:9-10
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
It was always Gods own purpose in Himself to gather together in one all things in Christ, this was never a honor for adam.
Adam was not to be this Head. All creation was to have a harmonious unity in Him [Jesus Christ] for whom All things were made Col 1:14-18
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Many today, being blinded by the devil, the god of this world, give adam the preeminence over creation instead of Jesus Christ.
They believe Jesus was a backup plan of God, because of Adam's failure, not realizing that adam was created subservient to and to serve the Eternal redemptive purpose centered in Christ Jesus.
Thats what Eph 1:9-10
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
It was always Gods own purpose in Himself to gather together in one all things in Christ, this was never a honor for adam.