What about Adam ?

svedbygrace · Apr 30, 2013

In Gods original and Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

It was God's will that Man, should hold a higher rank than the Angels, but when He made Adam from the dust of the ground, He never intended Adam to be the man who would be the Head of that Glorious class of Men.

That Man was Jesus Christ; You see Adam could not have been that Man because he was taken out of the ground, and made originally lower than the Angels. Even if Adam had not sinned, he was not fit to take Man to that Level of felicity and Honor and Glory God intended for Man through Jesus Christ. For it was Truly God's Purpose that Man fulfills this High Honor through redemption and salvation, hence it is written Ps 149:4

For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. 100

svedbygrace · May 1, 2013

Was Adam the real end God had in Mind when He said let us make Man in our Image and our Likeness ?

Gen 1:26

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Did Adam in His earthy natural condition fit the bill ? 1 Cor 15:46-47

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Which one is more of the Image and Likeness of God ? The Man from the Earth or the Man from Heaven ?

Man does not find the fulfillment of Gods Purpose in making Him in His Image and Likeness until he is on his way in being conformed unto the Image of Christ who is:

Heb 1:3

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Was Adam, the man from the dust of the ground, the brightness of God's Glory ? Was he the express image of His Person ?

Of Christ its said 2 Cor 4:4

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Col 1:15

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Gods creative purpose was for men would be conformed to the Image of His Son Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren

Now, think about it ! Was Adam the one God had in Mind when it was said Let us make Man in our image and likeness ?

Which Adam represents more perfectly, The Image of God ? 127

ElizabethPeter · May 1, 2013

svedbygrace said:

Ah.. but you see, Adam did inherit eternal life. If you read the Bible with a spiritual mind, then you'll see how dam received eternal life. You see, the sacrifice of an animal would pay for the sins of man (back in the Old Testament) and the first shedding of blood, was done, in the Garden of Eden. How? Why? Well, God killed an animal or animals to clothe Adam and Eve because of their "nakedness". And if you read the Bible with a spiritual mind, then you'll understand that "nakedness" in here, means sin. So God saw their sin, and they themselves felt their own sin, that's why they tried to hide. But you can't hide from your own sin. And you can't hide from God. So, God clothed them with the skin of an animal. And in this case, the animal represents Christ. Even before Christ came, God already showed us and tried to teach us how Christ would come and atone for all of our sins. And then, God had to banish them. Yes, had. Why? Because once they partook from the tree of life, they would have had been sinners forever. There would be no way out. They'd be stuck in their own sin. So, God showed them mercy, clothed them with the skin of an animal, and sent them out of the Garden. All because of love.

svedbygrace · May 1, 2013

eliz

You quoted my OP, post 1 , did you understand all my points there ? Rehearse them with me please, please begin !

PS · May 1, 2013

svedbygrace said:

Have you ever wondered that if Adam would not have sinned, and lived a perfect sin free life, if He would have inherited eternal life ?

If Adam [Mankind] had remained unfallen, without transgression, then He nor men in him could have entered that Kingdom of Eternal Glory to which all believers in Christ were destined before the foundation Matt 25:34

34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

At best, the life we had in Adam was earthly 1 Cor 15:46-50

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

Hebrews 2 :14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood [In Adam], he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So Man at His best unfallen state in flesh and blood, cannot inherit the kingdom of God..

As Jesus said, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God, even Adam, in His unfallen state needed to be born again if He was to inherit the Kingdom of Glory..

Isn't it sin that separates us from God?

Therefore if Adam had not sinned he would remain in the Paradise into which he was born, the Garden of Eden.

It was sin that separated them from God and for that they no longer had eternal life.

Even we in the flesh are promised eternal life through the cleansing blood of the Lamb which is the wonderful gift for all who are "saved by Grace."

svedbygrace · May 1, 2013

ps

Did you understand the OP ? You quoted it and then evaded it. Please rehearse the points of the post !

PS · May 1, 2013

svedbygrace said:

Obviously I'm not understanding the OP, sorry.

svedbygrace · May 1, 2013

PS said:

Well lets rearse each point . begin with the first point and the verse provided. What does it say ?

PS · May 1, 2013

svedbygrace said:

I'd rather not thanks.

svedbygrace · May 2, 2013

PS said:

I did not think so. and your welcome !

svedbygrace · May 4, 2013

Rom 5:14

Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

No discussion on Adam would be complete without understanding what this statement means.

For right away we discover that Adam,s created was associated with the Future incarnation of the Son of God. Sin was in Gods Purpose for Adam, since Adam was created as a figure of Him who was to come and die for sins..

For that was His Purpose in coming 1 Jn 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

So too was the works of the devil purposed by God.. The devils temptation of eve and her giving to Adam of the forbidden fruit, all purposed and planned by God..

So Adams creation in Gen 1:26 was centered in the Eternal redemptive purpose of Christ, and not of himself. Eph 3:9-11

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

See Adam was made for Christ Purpose, and not Christ as a rescue mission for Adam after he messed up..

Now, Adam being in the figure of Him who is to come [Jesus Christ] is a critical aspect of His Being made in the Image of God.

The Union between Adam and Eve was in the Likeness of God, this is indicated by Gen 5:1-2

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

PS · May 4, 2013

For once I agree with you.

Like the first Adam Jesus took the form of man and became the second Adam. The first Adam which is us are dead in trespasses and sin and as 1 Cor 22 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive." The passage goes on to say in verse 45 "And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

The first Adam will die but Christ who died in the body for us gives eternal life.

Romans 5 beginning verse 12 explains it very well.

svedbygrace · May 4, 2013

ps

Oh really ? So please explain my points in post 91

PS · May 4, 2013

svedbygrace said:

Isn't it enough that I say I agree with you? As I don't want to get involved in something that may not glorify the Lord I would rather pass thanks.

svedbygrace · May 4, 2013

ps

Prove it !

svedbygrace · May 6, 2013

More on Adam being Made in the Image of God !

The Union of Adam and Eve was the Likeness of God Gen 5:1-2

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

And in this oneness of Union, was Adam, male and female, the likeness or figure or type of Him that was to come.

In their creation they [Adam and Eve] were one, and their name one = Adam.

In their beginning formation they were one, male and female, that is eve was in Adam, before God put him to sleep to remove her from him. They at the time of Adam's creation had one Life, and so they were inseparable in both life and death.

You see Eve was in Adam when God gave him the Law Gen 2:15-17

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eve, though not yet manifested, received that Law then and there and at that time was just as responsible for it as Adam was; So when she ate of the forbidden fruit she was his sin, she was Adam's first transgression, hence we read 1 Tim 2:13-14

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

The Union of Adam and Eve [His wife], was so complete that her sin was actually his sin, so much so, that even if Adam had not personally partook of the fruit, he was still held accountable for his wifes transgression, and one with her in the Transgression.

So in out text in Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

This was due to eves transgression first and foremost according to 1 Tim 2:14

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Also, the Union of Adam and His Offspring was such that when He sinned, they sinned, or other words, when He transgressed all His offspring God purposed in Him transgressed in Him [Rom 5:12], and all came under the same sentence of death.

Adam and Eve and their offspring, were one in creation or formation, one in life, one in receiving the law, one in transgression, and one in death, hence He was the figure or type of Him that was to come [Jesus Christ]! 145

svedbygrace · May 11, 2013

Titus 1:1-2

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 Jn 2:25

25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 Jn 5:11

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Eternal Life was always based upon a promise centered in the Son of God even before the world began, for He was Eternal Life 1 Jn 1:2

(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)

Eternal Life was never to come through Adam, no matter if He transgressed or not ! For Adam even in His innocent state was not created a Spiritual, and Heavenly Being, so He had not Spiritual or heavenly Life in him, and neither would God had promised him Eternal Life based upon the keeping of a Law, for that would cancel out what had been promised before the world began Titus 1:2 before Adam was created out of the dust, and that God would have done that which is contrary to what is written, eternal inheritance by the Law Gal 3:18-21

for if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Adam was created a natural man and earth man void of that which was heavenly a spiritual 1 Cor 15:47-49

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The Hope of eternal life lied in bearing the image of the heavenly Man, which is why some were predestinated before the world began, to be conformed to the image of Gods Firstborn Son, Jesus Christ.. Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 159

svedbygrace · May 15, 2013

Was Adam created Holy ? Sinless at creation he was in that he was upright and had not yet sinned, that is committed any actual transgression as of yet, but positively and intrinsically Holy he was not, neither was Lucifer or Satan and the other fallen angels..160

svedbygrace · May 18, 2013

Adam was not created perfect, but perfectly created !

It is a mistake to think that what God Almighty created perfect, could possibly fall from that state into imperfection. If that was so, then what assurance do we have that when He creates all perfect in the New World, that it will not again fall into imperfection ?

Scripture never stated that God created Adam perfect in the sense as to be without any imperfections, but Adam was perfectly created by God for God's Purpose, which purpose was centered in the Redemption of the Lord Jesus Christ eph 3:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

This Eternal Purpose in Christ necessitated that Adam would sin and bring sin death into the world.. God's manifold wisdom necessitated it as well..

svedbygrace · May 21, 2013

Was Lust in them before they sinned ?

Was there lust in Adam and Eve before they sinned ? James 1:

13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Yes, it most certainly was or else how could she had been enticed by the tempter ?

For there was something within her [though latent] that enticed her away from God's command. Its obvious that she had the Lust of the eyes, of the flesh, and the pride of Life in latent form in her flesh.

Gen 3:

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food[lust of the flesh], and that it was pleasant to the eyes[lust of the eyes], and a tree to be desired to make one wise[pride of life], she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Now, how did that Lust get into her ? There is only one answer, God made it in her when He created them. Yes it was in Adam too because she was made from His substance and we see how quickly he followed her folly, thats because too, no sooner she ate of that fruit, he died to God as well and his eating made that evident.

Yes it was God's purpose that sin should enter the world through Adam and death by sin. God would have never told Adam " Thou shalt surely die" except the seed of sin and death had been in him..163

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