What About Those Stones?

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john832

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Is this complete?

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
 
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He was talking about destruction. The destruction of the temple. Which he also refer the destruction of the temple to himself."Destruct this temple and in 3 days ill raise it up." After he talked after the stone. Peter--i think--asked him about when the end will come. Also he might had talked about the destructions of temples from that time on to the end of age. He know so much about the future that no one might be able to fully understand what he meant when the talks about the future.
 
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This actually destroys the Preterist Position. The wailing wall (which was considered a part of the temple) still exists today.



So the Temple was not utterly destroyed like Jesus had said here in Scripture...

Matthew 24:1a-2

And... the temple... There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mark 13:1a-2

And... of the temple, ...there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

In fact, according to Scripture, the outer court was considered a part of the Temple because the Israelite Temple is described as having two courts.

2 Kings 21:5

And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.

One court being the inner court...

1 Kings 6:36-37

And he built the inner court with three rows of hewed stone, and a row of cedar beams. In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of the LORD laid,

And the second court being the outer (i.e. KJV: utter) court...

Ezekiel 40:37

And the posts thereof were toward the utter court; and palm trees were upon the posts thereof, on this side, and on that side: and the going up to it had eight steps.

In fact, even Revelation 11 talks about leaving out the outer court in it's measurement of the Temple.

Revelation 11:1-2

And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

In other words, John was going to measure the outer court as being a part of the Temple, but he was specifically told not to measure it.

Therefore, in conclusion:

The complete destruction of the Temple is still yet a future thing that still needs to happen.

 

JimmieD

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The Western Wall was part of a retaining wall that supported the temple mount. It wasn't part of the building. It would be a little crazy for someone to see part of the retaining wall that surrounded the temple mount and conclude that the temple was still there.
 

john832

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The Western Wall was part of a retaining wall that supported the temple mount. It wasn't part of the building. It would be a little crazy for someone to see part of the retaining wall that surrounded the temple mount and conclude that the temple was still there.
Was Christ speaking of just the Temple building proper?
 
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He said not one stone of the temple left standing ..... and He is projecting the time of the end of this present age during the coming tribulation .... there is not one stone left today .... and there will not be during the tribulation

Some think that the "Jews" will rebuild a temple on the mount .... they desire to do this but they will not during the coming time of Jacob's trouble .... the 70th week decreed for Israel

His next temple will be built for His millennial kingdom .... just after the tribulation period [Ezekiel 40]

What temple will the "antichrist" sit in during the tribulation?

This temple is already on the mount today

He will sit in the temple of "his god" who is "Allah"

Allah is an imaginary pagan "god" that does not exist, but only a cover for Satan himself
 

john832

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He said not one stone of the temple left standing ..... and He is projecting the time of the end of this present age during the coming tribulation .... there is not one stone left today .... and there will not be during the tribulation
Are you sure He was speaking of the Temple building proper? Or was He speaking of the buildings and structures around the Temple also?
 
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The temple and all of the associated buildings on the temple mount were completely destroyed by the Romans John832
..... not one stone was let standing

What has remained is a portion of the retaining wall of the mount ... Israel considers the western wall to be the most holy place today

Note Revelation 11:2 .... this is a future projection of the 70th week decreed for Israel where there is no temple of the Lord's on the mount court
 

notuptome

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Are you sure He was speaking of the Temple building proper? Or was He speaking of the buildings and structures around the Temple also?
From the text the disciples were showing Him all the buildings but you could infer from there there as well that Jesus was speaking specifically about the temple. What interest would Jesus have had in the other buildings?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

john832

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From the text the disciples were showing Him all the buildings but you could infer from there there as well that Jesus was speaking specifically about the temple. What interest would Jesus have had in the other buildings?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
If He were speaking of the Temple building only, why would He say...

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
 
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The Western Wall was part of a retaining wall that supported the temple mount. It wasn't part of the building. It would be a little crazy for someone to see part of the retaining wall that surrounded the temple mount and conclude that the temple was still there.
It's like when you see a castle and say,

"Hey look! Theres the castle!"

In other words, the castle's outer wall is still considered a part of the castle (Even though it is not connected in some cases). Kind of the same line of thinking here. When people back in Biblical times seen the Temple in the distance, they didn't say,

"Hey look! There is the Temple wall!"

No, no. That would be silly. They would say it was the Temple while looking at the outer court walls of the Temple.

We are looking hindsight and reading in a book and we were not there. Read the passsage in Revelation again. John was going to measure the outer court, but he was told specifically not to measure it, though. Why? Because the outer court (i.e. outer wall) was a part of the Temple.
 
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The temple and all of the associated buildings on the temple mount were completely destroyed by the Romans John832
..... not one stone was let standing

What has remained is a portion of the retaining wall of the mount ... Israel considers the western wall to be the most holy place today

Note Revelation 11:2 .... this is a future projection of the 70th week decreed for Israel where there is no temple of the Lord's on the mount court
I've heard it preached a number of times in the past how Biblical historians, referencing Josephus, have pointed out the Romans made a point to take the temple apart, and partly to get at a lot of gold gilding that melted by fire. But, yes, the temple was razed to the ground in 70 AD, fulfilling the prophecy of our Lord Jesus.
 

notuptome

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If He were speaking of the Temple building only, why would He say...

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
The Lord always had purpose in everything He said.

There must be some obscure point you are trying to make.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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kennethcadwell

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He said not one stone of the temple left standing ..... and He is projecting the time of the end of this present age during the coming tribulation .... there is not one stone left today .... and there will not be during the tribulation

Some think that the "Jews" will rebuild a temple on the mount .... they desire to do this but they will not during the coming time of Jacob's trouble .... the 70th week decreed for Israel

His next temple will be built for His millennial kingdom .... just after the tribulation period [Ezekiel 40]

What temple will the "antichrist" sit in during the tribulation?

This temple is already on the mount today

He will sit in the temple of "his god" who is "Allah"

Allah is an imaginary pagan "god" that does not exist, but only a cover for Satan himself

The antichrist can not sit in the dome of the rock and claim to be God, which would an abomination to our God.
For to be an abomination to God he would have to stand in a rebuilt temple dedicated to Him. The dome of the rock is not a temple to Him.
 
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Also, the Bible mentions that there is TWO courts. One court is an inner court and the other court is an outer court. This is shown to us in Scripture. Unless you want to ignore Scripture, the outer court would obviously have it's own walls as defined in Scripture. One has to willingly ignore this FACT in Scripture so as to make a false eschatogical view work.
 
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This beast of Satan's contrivance is already an abomination to the Lord even thought he has not appeared yet Kenneth

All he has to do is to say this "God has no Son" ... and we know who denies the Lord in this fashion today

Satan is already at work on this one and when the beast does appear he will speak the same [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; Revelation 13:5-6]

These things are an abomination unto the Lord .... big time
 
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Revelation
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
 
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Revelation
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Revelation
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

You are right in posting this, but notice here it says temple to God.
The dome of the rock is not dedicated not to our God, so it can not be the temple the antichrist stands in and claims to be god.
 

posthuman

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Is this complete?
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


as far as i know --

some people say that when He said this, the disciples were pointing out not only the temple itself and it's structures built by Solomon or repaired later by Nehemiah, but the walls and towers that surround it and form the whole temple complex, which would have been there at the time this conversation took place.
taking His words to refer to the larger complex, there are still foundation stones of the outer walls and structures (e.g. the "tower of Antonia") that are untoppled. some of these form the base of the "wailing wall" and some are buried.

but taking Him to refer to the temple proper, not including auxillary structures built by Rome & Herod etc. that were not actually part of the temple, but part of the whole complex on the temple mount, and existed when He gave this word -- then if He was referring to the temple itself, yes, every stone has been thrown down.