What are the Consequences of Falling from Grace?
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In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9.
The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in v. 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with scripture.
In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition. So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Christian community of believers, but who has subsequently committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and by repudiating the work and the person of Christ himself. Such a person’s apostasy is thus evidence that his identification with the Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in v. 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with scripture.
In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition. So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Christian community of believers, but who has subsequently committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and by repudiating the work and the person of Christ himself. Such a person’s apostasy is thus evidence that his identification with the Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
Amen!
One of the posters was using the text in Hebrews to talk about we willfully sinning..and that all sin was sin..here is what was said....we were showing the context of Heb 10:26...we all agree that the context is the Jewish rejecting Christ's sacrifice for them and going back to the temple...
these are the words...
"Sin is sin bucko, to the Jews and Gentiles sin still pays the same"
and "If you are still wilfully sinning after receiving the knowledge of the Truth, then that would explain why you think the way you do."
One of the posters was using the text in Hebrews to talk about we willfully sinning..and that all sin was sin..here is what was said....we were showing the context of Heb 10:26...we all agree that the context is the Jewish rejecting Christ's sacrifice for them and going back to the temple...
these are the words...
"Sin is sin bucko, to the Jews and Gentiles sin still pays the same"
and "If you are still wilfully sinning after receiving the knowledge of the Truth, then that would explain why you think the way you do."
But that does not cancel out the warning in the previous verses, and the fact that some will fall away from the faith and be destroyed does it? It always seems to apply to "them" not "us" huh? Funny how that works. 
Hebrews 10:26-31[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Hebrews 10:26-31[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
F
But that does not cancel out the warning in the previous verses, and the fact that some will fall away from the faith and be destroyed does it? It always seems to apply to "them" not "us" huh? Funny how that works.
E
But that does not cancel out the warning in the previous verses, and the fact that some will fall away from the faith and be destroyed does it? It always seems to apply to "them" not "us" huh? Funny how that works.
Hebrews 10:26-31[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Hebrews 10:26-31[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
But we, who are we? Those who have true faith and ARE SAVED.
The verses you are talking about are not written to those who have faith and are saved, but to those who are on the bubble and have not made that decision to trust Christ completely yet, and are contemplating going back to law.
I suppose the consequences would be getting stuck in that condition.
Leaning on your own understanding thinking you are doing the righteous, holy thing when you aren't.
Only the Lord can define sin and only the Lord can forgive sin. So a person who has fallen from grace is in the same position they were in before they were saved. Except they know the Lord and they know He loves them and will forgive them.
Its just their understanding that is preventing them from walking in Grace.
Isn't it weird that our own understanding and our own will are our own enemies? That's the thing about coming to Christ to begin with that really surprised me. How decieved I was and didn't even know it.
We keep trying to rely on our own strength and our own understanding when we know that was the biggest hurdle we had to get over to begin with.
I wonder why we think we can start relying on those things after coming to Christ? Dumb and stubborn is the only thing I can come up with.
What an absolute miracle Salvation is. I marvel constantly that there was a time when I thought I was causing my own Salvation. I think pretty highly of myself but I know, in my heart, that even if I was given the exact template of every step I needed to earn Salvation I know that I couldn't do it. The Holy Spirit led me perfectly the whole way to Christ.
I suppose I have no choice but to Trust Him the Rest of the Way.
Leaning on your own understanding thinking you are doing the righteous, holy thing when you aren't.
Only the Lord can define sin and only the Lord can forgive sin. So a person who has fallen from grace is in the same position they were in before they were saved. Except they know the Lord and they know He loves them and will forgive them.
Its just their understanding that is preventing them from walking in Grace.
Isn't it weird that our own understanding and our own will are our own enemies? That's the thing about coming to Christ to begin with that really surprised me. How decieved I was and didn't even know it.
We keep trying to rely on our own strength and our own understanding when we know that was the biggest hurdle we had to get over to begin with.
I wonder why we think we can start relying on those things after coming to Christ? Dumb and stubborn is the only thing I can come up with.
What an absolute miracle Salvation is. I marvel constantly that there was a time when I thought I was causing my own Salvation. I think pretty highly of myself but I know, in my heart, that even if I was given the exact template of every step I needed to earn Salvation I know that I couldn't do it. The Holy Spirit led me perfectly the whole way to Christ.
I suppose I have no choice but to Trust Him the Rest of the Way.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Rejection of Gods grace can only occur before one is saved.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Rejection of Gods grace can only occur before one is saved.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
E
would that be from a child of God. or a person who is illigitament, and not a true child?
Hebrews 12:8
But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
K
This is a faulty quote because it does not take into account repenting and having one restored to the Lord, nor does it give clear understanding as it makes it out that a one time sinful action will cost one their salvation.
The fault is again that the focus is placed on the sin and not the fact of what sinning leads to............
A person who falls back to a willful deliberate sinful life has put themselves back in a state of unbelief, and in order to be placed back in God's grace they need to be restored to the Lord.
If they are never restored then that way of life they returned to will place them as rejecting the salvation through Christ.
If you reject the Lord and Savior then the punishment received at judgment will be just, and this rejection can come at any time, not just before believing in Jesus.
There are a few examples of those in the bible who fell back to perdition !!!
S
True Willie T!
I am not wise scriptural
But Love leads me to say...
Holy Spirit says....
God didn't WANT His children to be evil....
I pity the evil minds...
That can say....
"I am gonna screw over God today!"
God was hurt Willie T
For men chooses a life of mortal riches to lust...
Because many hearts will not live in God's riches of Heaven!
Lol
I choose Willie T to love blessings in the sunrise
One more day to love
Not all this greed that is flesh lol
God rewards us
Thru the heart
Not social climbs lol
Prayin for ya Willie T in Florida
And your wife
God bless y'all!
Love
Sky
I am not wise scriptural
But Love leads me to say...
Holy Spirit says....
God didn't WANT His children to be evil....
I pity the evil minds...
That can say....
"I am gonna screw over God today!"
God was hurt Willie T
For men chooses a life of mortal riches to lust...
Because many hearts will not live in God's riches of Heaven!
Lol
I choose Willie T to love blessings in the sunrise
One more day to love
Not all this greed that is flesh lol
God rewards us
Thru the heart
Not social climbs lol
Prayin for ya Willie T in Florida
And your wife
God bless y'all!
Love
Sky
K
But that does not cancel out the warning in the previous verses, and the fact that some will fall away from the faith and be destroyed does it? It always seems to apply to "them" not "us" huh? Funny how that works.
Hebrews 10:26-31[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Hebrews 10:26-31[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Yes as lets break down this passage..............
(Refers to all believers in Christ)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(Refers to the Jews)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(Refers to all believers of Jesus under New Covenant)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
The contrast between verse 28 and 29 is comparing how punishment was carried out for being disobedient to God's law in the OT to how disobedience will be dealt with in the New Covenant.
Under the laws people were put to death if 2 to 3 witnesses testified to seeing them breaking the laws, in the New covenant those who transgress against Jesus will face a punishment greater then just physical death !!!