What are the Consequences of Falling from Grace?

[Grandpa]

This is a faulty quote because it does not take into account repenting and having one restored to the Lord, nor does it give clear understanding as it makes it out that a one time sinful action will cost one their salvation.

The fault is again that the focus is placed on the sin and not the fact of what sinning leads to............

A person who falls back to a willful deliberate sinful life has put themselves back in a state of unbelief, and in order to be placed back in God's grace they need to be restored to the Lord.

If they are never restored then that way of life they returned to will place them as rejecting the salvation through Christ.

If you reject the Lord and Savior then the punishment received at judgment will be just, and this rejection can come at any time, not just before believing in Jesus.

There are a few examples of those in the bible who fell back to perdition !!!

Luke 18:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[notuptome]

Wasn't the book of Galatians all about "saved" believers rejecting grace, to go back to trying to mix in some law?

If the implications of this thread is to suggest that one can fall from grace to lose their salvation then it should be clear that rejection of the gospel is required to fall from grace.

Falling from grace after one is saved can only effect their sanctification not their salvation. Those who receive Gods grace and then because of adverse discipleship go back to working to be saved under the law only wreck their testimony for Christ.

Jesus told us to be witnesses to His saving grace not to the works of the law. If we testify of the law we do Jesus a disservice.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I don't believe one has to "return to a life of willful sin" to fall from grace. I think all it takes is doing what Adam & Eve did.... doubting God told them the truth. In our cases, that truth is that Jesus' sacrifice was completely enough.

Again, is the blood of Christ completely enough for those who cast it aside and trample all over it?

Hebrews 10:26-31[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

Doubting the words above as truth is also doubting the words of God, which was spoken by the holy apostles who spoke by the same Spirit of Truth.

 

[Grace777x70]

We are not doubting the words in Hebrews 10: 26-31...we are addressing your "application" of those scriptures...

Just because someone uses "These are God's words" in a sentence is within itself meaningless.....it's in the "application" of those words in context that matter...

 

[Grace777x70]

here is an example...

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.


It looks like all of us are blotted out of the book because we have all sinned! We all are going to hell now!

These are the words of God..if you deny the words of God..you deny God Himself!

...we always have to take all scripture in context and in context with other scriptures...there is a progressive revelation of truth which is Jesus and who we are in Him now because of His finished work for us!

 

[Willie-T]

here is an example...

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.


It looks like all of us are blotted out of the book because we have all sinned! We all are going to hell now!

These are the words of God..if you deny the words of God..you deny God Himself!

...we always have to take all scripture in context and in context with other scriptures...there is a progressive revelation of truth which is Jesus and who we are in Him now because of His finished work for us!

Bibliolatry is tough to reason with.

 

[KennethC]

Luke 18:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

What was this about as it has nothing to do with what I said ???

This passage you gave is about not making one out to think they are better then another as the Pharisee did.

The Pharisee thought his sinful ways were not as bad as others therefore he was better then them, yet the other man admitted his sinful ways and asked for mercy through His forgiveness.

God's chastisement (rebuking) is always for correction and restoration !!!

He never wants to destroy people as He wants them to come to Him, but some will reject His way to continue their own way. This rejection can happen at any time which is why we are warned not to let our hearts get hardened !!!

 

[KennethC]

here is an example...

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.


It looks like all of us are blotted out of the book because we have all sinned! We all are going to hell now!

These are the words of God..if you deny the words of God..you deny God Himself!

...we always have to take all scripture in context and in context with other scriptures...there is a progressive revelation of truth which is Jesus and who we are in Him now because of His finished work for us!

This scripture refers to those who were saved out of Egypt that then returned to doing idol worship, and before they were destroyed and blotted out of the book by God they were given the chance to return to God.

They refused and thus was destroyed, not given salvation............

This example was used by the Apostles Paul and Jude to explain salvation to us, to give a warning of what would happen if we return to our sinful ways !!!

 

[valiant]

Hebrews is including former Jewish believers in that group

don't say it, prove it

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

don't say it, prove it

It's pretty obvious from the context. Prove it's not.

 

[valiant]

This scripture refers to those who were saved out of Egypt that then returned to doing idol worship, and before they were destroyed and blotted out of the book by God they were given the chance to return to God.

They refused and thus was destroyed, not given salvation............

This example was used by the Apostles Paul and Jude to explain salvation to us, to give a warning of what would happen if we return to our sinful ways !!!

They were not offered 'salvation'. They were offered a way of life or death in this world.

 

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[valiant]

It's pretty obvious from the context. Prove it's not.

lol you said it, it's for you to prove coward;

 

[KennethC]

They were not offered 'salvation'. They were offered a way of life or death in this world.

What do you think it means to be blotted out of God's book of life ???

Revelation gives a clear answer what happens to those who are not written in His book, and that outcome is cast into the lake of fire !!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

lol you said it, it's for you to prove coward;

Hardly a coward, especially when it's so obviously stated. Maybe I just don't feel like wasting my time.

 

[royalscot]

Perhaps what's missing in the discussion is the possibility of unrepentant 'everyday sinning' can lead to hardness of heart which eventually if continued will lead to rejection of Christ Himself.

what about unbelief, would that stop your progression. and make you, have a hard heart, given you will never progress,

unrepentant, everyday sinning. what law, are you repenting from.( if ,saved by grace a gift. or promise )

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3

and

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

why would you repent or return to law, if your, already saved, outside of law. (grace a gift)etc.

 

[notuptome]

What do you think it means to be blotted out of God's book of life ???

Revelation gives a clear answer what happens to those who are not written in His book, and that outcome is cast into the lake of fire !!!

Two books. Which book has your name in it?

Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Goodnewsman]

1 john 2 "if we sin" notice he didn't say "when" you sin, but if you sin we have an advocate with the father. Jesus saved me from sin, not to live any longer there in.....thank God if we do sin we can ask forgiveness. I wouldn't want to stand before God with unrepented sin in my life.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

what about unbelief, would that stop your progression. and make you, have a hard heart, given you will never progress,

unrepentant, everyday sinning. what law, are you repenting from.( if ,saved by grace a gift. or promise )

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3

and

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

why would you repent or return to law, if your, already saved, outside of law. (grace a gift)etc.

Except that repentance is not returning to the law. Returning to the law is a return to the Mosaic law without the understanding that the substance is in Christ and that the Mosaic Law now applies spiritually. The ritual and ceremonial law have been written into our heart and mind. The moral law is still present.

This is a misrepresentation of why believers need to repent. We are exhorted to repent now that we are under grace why? Because we have an Advocate and Mediator in Christ Jesus. Our past sins have been washed away and we are a new creature in Him. This new creature has Christ's blood to keep us from the power of future sin, and as we repent, He is merciful to forgive us our sins. If NT believers do not need to repent, then why are we exhorted to repent in the NT?

Repentance is not returning to the law, but an integral aspect of grace.

 

[crossnote]

what about unbelief, would that stop your progression. and make you, have a hard heart, given you will never progress,

unrepentant, everyday sinning. what law, are you repenting from.( if ,saved by grace a gift. or promise )

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3

and

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

why would you repent or return to law, if your, already saved, outside of law. (grace a gift)etc.

Unbelief would begin my progression All sin stems from unbelief, or lack of faith which each of us has to differing degrees.