What are the noahide laws?

[cenallen]

The fact is the governor of New York is a Jew (at least an 'ethnic' Jew).

The fact is, this same governor signed homosexuality into law.

The facts pertaining to Reagan and Bush are simple, observable and verifiable, they signed proclamations regarding the Noahide Laws (not 'as' law, but as an affirmation of the Noahide laws as an observation of 'Education Day"). Ditto that Congress's affirmation.

On March 20th, 1991, the 102nd Congress of the United States passed [Public Law 102-14] to designate March 26, 1991, as "Education Day, U.S.A."; in the bill Congress recognized

the ... principles ... upon which our great Nation was founded ... known as the Seven Noahide Laws ... without these ... civilization stands in serious peril of ... chaos ... Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991 ... in tribute to this great spiritual leader ... his ninetieth year will ... turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws

Noahide Laws - Who or What is Noahide Laws? Find out more

oh its a LAW alright.

Bill Text - 102nd Congress (1991-1992) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

a Bill passed to recognize BY LAW a certain religious day.
that's how they do it.
Law by precedent.

prec·e·dent   [n. pres-i-duhnt; adj. pri-seed-nt, pres-i-duhnt] Show IPA
noun
1.
Law . a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases.
2.
any act, decision, or case that serves as a guide or justification for subsequent situations.

 

[cenallen]

All they did was note in the preamble to the laws that they exist, and that only in reference to Rabbi Whatzisname. The preamble to a law has no binding legality, it's essentially a way to sound nice. But the law actually starts when the preamble ends. .

go study american (cough) Law.
then come back and we'll talk about why that BILL (Public LAW) mattered.
not for 1991.
and not for 2012.


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roe vs wade is a perfect example.

 

[Crossfire]

there is no such thing.



hahahahaha....
that's funny.
and would the bad boy be a pope or a politician?
does he confirm a peace treaty for 7 years?

which 'Premilennial theologians' work can you cite here?
(again, you won't...you'll find a reason to not cite your sources)
thanks for the laugh.

also: ..what remnant of jews?


oh how PC of you.

ya. and the so-called christians who are deceived are people who believe what you do - the set-up is so transparent but you've spent so many years on your own ultraspiritual (read: pride) crusade, you'd have to humble yourself to stop your apostasy. and you're just too right to ever do that.

Talmudic Judaism is the synagogue of satan, its adherents have been manipulating events for 2000 years (God is using it for the good of His true people, and for His Glory), including easily inserting your laughable 'theology' in through 'bibles', seminaries and commentaries established during your favorite 'church' period.

sorry for you that you've been used like a harlot.
but it takes 2 to tango.

maybe the false signs and wonders parlor tricks were a good trade for accepting the koolaid.

*shaking head*

Again you accuse me of being a Zionist and a Dispensationist simply because I hold to a Premillennial view. Apparently, you aren't familiar with the works of Polycarp, Papias, Justin Martyr and Ireneaus, all of whom were Premillennialists who lived during the first and second centuries, one of which was taught by the Apostle John himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_premillennialism
Then again, many in the Reformed Church refuse to acknowledge the works of these early Church Fathers because their works doesn't quite line up with the beliefs endorsed by the forefathers of your preferred theology (Augustine and Origen) who didn't enter church history until the third and fourth centuries perspectively.

Not only do you seem unfamiliar with Church History, you apparently are not very familiar with scripture either seeing as the paragraph in my previous post that you've chosen to scoff at and ridicule was a paraphrase of scripture in reference to 2 Thess 2 and Rev 9 & 11 which refers to the Antichrist.

Anyways, I do have a passage of scripture which reminds me of what is spewing forth out of your heart. One which speaks of certain teachers who attempt to mix scripture with the carnal traditions of men (not to mention poisonous accusations birthed out of hatred):

Matthew 15: 7-11

7 .... Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules. ”

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

 

[cenallen]

*shaking head*

Again you accuse me of being a Zionist and a Dispensationist simply because I hold to a Premillennial view. Apparently, you aren't familiar with the works of Polycarp, Papias, Justin Martyr and Ireneaus, all of whom were Premillennialists who lived during the first and second centuries, one of which was taught by the Apostle John himself.

like i said: post their actual quotations.
cite your sources.
(you won't)

WIKIPEDIA? no, let's see your deep church history research.
did they give you wiki at seminary?

Then again, many in the Reformed Church refuse to acknowledge the works of these early Church Fathers because their works doesn't quite line up with the beliefs endorsed by the forefathers of your preferred theology (Augustine and Origen) who didn't enter church history until the third and fourth centuries perspectively .

you mean respectively?

let's see YOU exegete Rev 20.
do it. show us all about the millennium.
animal sacrifices included, full scale human rebellion you say isn't possible with Jesus reigning as King.
go for it
(you won't - because you can't).

Not only do you seem unfamiliar with Church History, you apparently are not very familiar with scripture either seeing as the paragraph in my previous post that you've chosen to scoff at and ridicule was a paraphrase of scripture in reference to 2 Thess 2 and Rev 9 & 11 which refers to the Antichrist.

show me Antichrist captialized in the greek. (not your Amplified Bible for newbies complete with 'explanations' for dispensationalists. and if you have a 1000 year period of time after the second advent, you have a dispensation. tell us all what that dispensation is for. what happens during it?)

as for church history, i've read yours. LOL.

Anyways, I do have a passage of scripture which reminds me of what is spewing forth out of your heart. One which speaks of certain teachers who attempt to mix scripture with the carnal traditions of men (not to mention poisonous accusations birthed out of hatred):

you are the carnal one my man.
no hatred for people. just their false doctrine.
i hate the lies (see 2 thess 2)

now about that future 1000 year period information: go for it.
let's see it.
i'll show from the scriptures what a false teacher you are.

what was that about humble pie?
such a godly man you are

 

[Crossfire]

It goes a bit deeper than that. You remember last year when the Amillenialists were running amok? There was a definite Cult of Personality going on there. And it gets worse with the True Believers who can't make three sentences without using the words Zionism, Israel, AIPAC, Jews, Freemasons, or an analog to "THEY made or told (fill-in-the-blank) to do it ... !" And the next thing you know, you've got someone throwing around a million names and connecting dots to some huge conspiracy, much like that guy in "A Beautiful Mind" where you saw the descent of a brilliant man into paranoid schizophrenia. And then the next thing you know these people stop following God and start following conspiracy websites ... and anyone who doesn't is a dupe, a pawn, or worse ... must be IN on it ...! *cue sinister laughter*

And NEVER FORGET! True or not, a rattling good conspiracy theory requires the following qualities:

1 it must be difficult, better still, impossible, to understand at first glance.
2 it must contain a spaghetti-heap of leads, all of which cannot be followed up. There must always be one more lead left to chase.
3 The story should speak to a `wider' truth about our society, through a series of disconnected or unconnected or unfalsifiable propositions.
4 There should be no easy way of verifying it.

Exactly. The sad part is very few of them seem to be able to share their views without slinging insults and making false accusations which only goes to show what truly resides in their hearts.

I've made some basic references to Church history that any one who has ever attended seminary should be familiar with. These references are common knowledge based on facts that are widely accepted among today's top theological seminaries and universities. However, the fact that this guy is challenging every historical reference just goes to expose this person's limitations. He's clearly hiding behind his complicated rhetoric in an attempt to intimidate others. (Typical Reformed Behavior)

 

[cenallen]

In the course of his career as TV spokesman for General Electric and then as US Commander-In-Chief, Ronald Reagan epitomized the tight marriage of interests at the heart of the military-industrial-complex. Reagan was GE's poster boy between 1954 and 1962, the very years when Japan was being force-fed GE's military technology in the name of "Atoms for Peace"

Reagan referred to his GE years as his “post-graduate education in political science” and observed that “it wasn’t a bad apprenticeship for someone who’d someday enter public life.” He spoke of his “self-conversion” during these years, and that he ended up “preaching sermons” about his strongly-held beliefs. His speechwriters at the White House frequently admitted using the speeches of the GE years as the basis of their own efforts.

President Barack Obama named Jeffrey Immelt, General Electric Co.’s chief executive officer, to head his outside panel of economic advisers, replacing former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker.

In announcing Immelt’s appointment to take the helm of the newly renamed President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, Obama said the economy is “in a different place” from where it was during the financial crisis when Volcker was brought on, and new ideas are needed to keep the momentum going.

Jeffrey R. Immelt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..................


Jeffrey Robert Immelt is a Harvard trained MBA elitist born in Ohio, but who strangely holds dual citizenship with the state of Israel (as do many of the Usurper's top [Zionist] appointees, including former White House Chief of Staff, Rahm Israel Emanuel -yes, his middle name is actually 'Israel'- soon to be sheppard-ed into political office in the very citadel of Rockefeller Land, Chicago).

Silent Invasion: Chinese 'Federal Trade Zones', Hu Jintao Visit, & NWO Sellout Jeffrey Immelt (Jan. 26, 2011)



But there is another corporate player Prince William’s religious leaders would like to bring to the table: General Electric. As leaders have looked to work with GE, they have been rebuffed, they said. GE used to own California-based WMC Mortgage, which has been discontinued, but whose “subprime” loans were handed out in large numbers across the country, including in Prince William. VOICE leaders say those loans have failed at high rates since the 2007 peak of the housing crisis.

So they marched to GE’s District offices on Pennsylvania Avenue NW on Tuesday to demand engagement and to symbolically “fire” GE CEO Jeffrey R. Immelt from a position on a White House jobs panel for ignoring a crisis in the District’s back yard. They held pink slips for Immelt and gave speeches to an empty lobby, shouting “Shame!” in unison.

Pr. William religious leaders want answers from GE over housing crisis - The State of NoVa - The Washington Post

 

[cenallen]

Exactly. The sad part is very few of them seem to be able to share their views without slinging insults and making false accusations which only goes to show what truly resides in their hearts.

(Typical Reformed Behavior)

hypocrite. you can't even be true to your convictions in a single post.

I've made some basic references to Church history that any one who has ever attended seminary should be familiar with. These references are common knowledge based on facts that are widely accepted among today's top theological seminaries and universities. However, the fact that this guy is challenging every historical reference just goes to expose this person's limitations. He's clearly hiding behind his complicated rhetoric in an attempt to intimidate others. (Typical Reformed Behavior)

complicated rhetoric?
a 5 year old can understand what's happening.

I've made some basic references to Church history that any one who has ever attended seminary should be familiar with.

which seminary?
your church history is bogus.
name the seminary, that'll tell it.

cite your sources.
you don't even know what amillennialism is.

care to go into Pentecostal 'history'?
that's related to your great awakenings.
let's talk real history.

and as for original post: WHAT ARE THE NOAHIDE LAWS?
you said you're a guy who likes to learn.
what have you learned?

 

[systemdown101]

go study american (cough) Law.

I have. I'm not a lawyer, but I know what a preamble is. Here's a definition for you. Should answer your question once and for all. From Dictionary.com

A clause at the beginning of a constitution or statute explaining the reasons for its enactment and the objectives it seeks to attain.

Generally a preamble is a declaration by the legislature of the reasons for the passage of the statute, and it aids in the interpretation of any ambiguities within the statute to which it is prefixed. It has been held, however, that a preamble is not an essential part of an act, and it neither enlarges nor confers powers.

Yeah, looks like the preamble of a law is legally meaningless. I think that takes care of your argument, which is at least consistent. After all...

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...you have no problem with using Wikipedia as a source.

WIKIPEDIA? no, let's see your deep church history research.
did they give you wiki at seminary?

... well unless someone else uses it. Care to explain that, or shall we just take it as a given that you're going to blame the Jews for this one too? Maybe GE? Reagan?

 

[cenallen]

The entry NoachidÊ, found in the ENCYCLOPDIA OF FREEMASONRY1 states the following:

"The descendants of Noah. A term applied to Freemasons on the theory, derived from the 'legend of the craft,' that Noah was the father and founder of the Masonic system of theology. And hence the Freemasons claim to be his descendants, because in times past they preserved the pure principles of his religion amid the corruptions of surrounding faiths. Dr. Anderson first used the word in this sense in the second edition of the Book of Constitutions: 'A Mason is obliged by his tenure to observe the moral law as a true Noachida.' But he was not the inventor of the term, for it occurs in a letter sent by the Grand Lodge of Calcutta in 1735, which letter is preserved among the Rawlinson MSS. in the Bodleian Library, Oxford. (See Ars Quartuor Coronatorum, xi., 35.)

Presidential Recognition of this Ancient Code of Ethics

President George Bush signed an historic resolution of both Congressional Houses, recognizing the Noachide Laws as the "bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization". He urged the United States to take a lead in "returning the world to the ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws". This historically significant document is recorded as House Joint Resolution 104, Public Law102-14.

As Masons, we believe that as good citizens and promoters of all good and virtuous causes, we should take a leading role in this worthy enterprise. By so doing, we would be fulfilling the Old Charges and returning to the founding ideals of our order.

Noachites

President George Bush signed an historic resolution of both Congressional Houses, recognizing the Noachide Laws as the "bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization".

He urged the United States to take a lead in "returning the world to the ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws"

clear enough? no?



U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts

The Supreme Court, with two Jews and one Jewish nominee, is well on its way have Jewish Talmudic Law as its guide and dictates. Talmudic Law is studied by many lawyers and judges, and the gentile Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia, studies Talmudic Law and regularly attends yearly conferences on Talmudic Law.

The majority of Americans are completely ignorant as to what Judaism really is, let alone Talmudic Law.

U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts

 

[cenallen]

I have. I'm not a lawyer, but I know what a preamble is. Here's a definition for you. Should answer your question once and for all. From Dictionary.com

Yeah, looks like the preamble of a law is legally meaningless. I think that takes care of your argument, which is at least consistent. After all...

...you have no problem with using Wikipedia as a source.

... well unless someone else uses it. Care to explain that, or shall we just take it as a given that you're going to blame the Jews for this one too? Maybe GE? Reagan?

its says it is A LAW. the Day is a LAW. see what's in it that CONGRESS AGREES TO. you'd have to be covering for the talmudic jews to deny it.

see next post.
more to come on Talmudic courts and judges.
from American case Law.

i can't help it if they're jews.
i can't help it if Talmudism dictates subversion of the Old Order (Christianity).
i can't help it if Talmud dictates hatred and destruction of Christians and gentiles.

more on that later.

 

[systemdown101]

its says it is A LAW. the Day is a LAW. see what's in it that CONGRESS AGREES TO. you'd have to be covering for the talmudic jews to deny it.

Yeah, because anyone who disagrees with you must be working for ... THEM ....!

Get real. The Preamble is NOT part of the law. It's just a preamble; it has no legal standing.

i can't help it if they're jews.
i can't help it if Talmudism dictates subversion of the Old Order (Christianity).
i can't help it if Talmud dictates hatred and destruction of Christians and gentiles.

No but you can help it if you're seeing it where it doesn't exist especially when someone is pointing it out to you.

So, care to explain why you can use Wikipedia as a source but others can't? Because I heard that that is a tactic the TALMUDISTS use ... are YOU one of ... THEM ...?

 

[Crossfire]

hypocrite. you can't even be true to your convictions in a single post.



complicated rhetoric?
a 5 year old can understand what's happening.



which seminary?
your church history is bogus.
name the seminary, that'll tell it.

cite your sources.
you don't even know what amillennialism is.

care to go into Pentecostal 'history'?
that's related to your great awakenings.
let's talk real history.

and as for original post: WHAT ARE THE NOAHIDE LAWS?
you said you're a guy who likes to learn.
what have you learned?

I'm not going to divulge personal information to someone who has proven time and time again that they have absolutely no respect for anyone or anything outside of their own belief system. Besides, you should not ask for something that you are not willing to give of yourself.

I don't find your rhetoric complicated at all however, I can see how it would intimidate the average believer but then again that is a common tactic among Calvinist and is to be expected.

I have studied the core theologies of just about every major denomination in the United States. I do possess a basic understanding of Amillennialism however, there's always room for improvement. Especially as it pertains to all the conspiracy theories that you people toss around like dirty laundry.

While I am both an Evangelical and a Continuationist, I am not a Pentecostal. Again you are making assumptions based on your own personal understanding and biases.

Finally, I've learned much about you from our exchanges. "Out of the mouth the heart speaks" ... you love to point the finger and make accusations in evaluation of others... when's the last time you took a long hard look in the mirror my friend?

 

[cenallen]

International Institute of Judaic Law


The International Institute for Judaic Law (IIJL) was founded for the purpose of promoting the study, understanding, and application of Jewish law and philosophy, especially as they pertain to critical issues facing contemporary society. The exploration of Jewish perspectives and values will provide judges, lawyers, businesses, other professionals and social scientists with fresh insights and approaches with which to address fundamentally important social issues and practices.

Why the Institute Was Founded

Jewish law, which originated in Biblical times, is the foundation for all Western legal systems. Its contribution to such systems was substantially enhanced by the Babylonian Talmud, a vast collection of commentaries and interpretations that was finally redacted some 1,500 years ago. Judaic law constitutes an extremely nuanced body of law and ethics, based not only on divine commands but also, in part, on assumptions regarding human psychology. Judaic law comprehensively informs the debate on virtually all matters of contemporary controversy, from fighting terrorism to manipulating genes, from combating commercial corruption to adjudicating child custody, from imposing capital punishment to compelling life-saving interventions....

International Institute of Judaic Law




Washington Conclave: Supreme Court Welcomes Jewish Law

International Institute of Judaic Law

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

hypocrite. you can't even be true to your convictions in a single post.


which seminary?
your church history is bogus.
name the seminary, that'll tell it.

cite your sources.
you don't even know what amillennialism is.

care to go into Pentecostal 'history'?
that's related to your great awakenings.
let's talk real history.

Perhaps a thread on "My favorite Seminary/Bible School and My Favorite Religion" would be a good place to start. I would love to walk through the major seminaries and bible colleges in the USA as well as the Denominations, Universal Religions and Non-Denominations. Witch ones pass scriptural muster - not many.

 

[systemdown101]

Cenallen: C'mon, tell us if using Wikipedia is okay or not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Cenallen: C'mon, tell us if using Wikipedia is okay or not.

Its ok when it supports his view. Not ours. Get the picture?

 

[systemdown101]

Its ok when it supports his view. Not ours. Get the picture?

But only Talmudic Zionists do that!

 

[Crossfire]

It doesn't matter what kind of evidence, scriptural, historical or otherwise, that you might bring forth Cenallen will not only reject it, he will do his best to make it appear illegitimate - a common tactic among Reformers / Calvinists - because the majority will not accept any doctrine or move of God that does not fit within the confines of their own belief system. Their refusal to do so has led to the persecution and murder of countless of Christians who refused to bow down to what they believe in centuries gone by.

I, personally, have run across numerous "Reformed" books and websites which attempt to rewrite church history in favor of Calvinism. Reformed historians demonize various men and moves of God that seemed to contradict their doctrine and, in doing so, have attempted to rewrite history in order to make it appear as though it was Calvinism which championed various periods of Christian history such as the 1st & 2nd Great Awakenings when, in truth, the powers that be of the Reformed Church clearly opposed and spoke out against both evangelism and missions during this era which drove many to abandon the Reformed Church thus giving birth to what we commonly refer to today as Evangelicalism.

It is obvious from Cenallen's words that he clearly will not accept anything outside of his own belief system to be legitimate. Taking this into consideration, then it is safe to assume that he does not recognize any outside of his belief system to be saved either which would explain his hostility toward those who oppose his view. What's sad is that both his actions and words reveal what truly resides in his heart - there doesn't seem to be much love in there thus it's safe assumption that there isn't much God in there either ...

 

[Abiding]

Seems to me that anklebiting dog is at it again.
Leading by example the very thing he accuses
to be wrong. Must have everready batteries.

 

[Crossfire]

Seems to me that anklebiting dog is at it again.
Leading by example the very thing he accuses
to be wrong. Must have everready batteries.

No one has to accuse anyone of anything. This person's fruit is on display for all to see.

I've proven I can co-exist with anyone, EVEN YOU, however, respect is a two way street. If you treat people like garbage eventually someone will call you out on it.

The issue here is not a difference is beliefs but rather a lack of respect. Unfortunately, there are many in the church world who preach the grace of God yet refuse to believe that God's grace can save someone who believes somewhat differently than themselves. They can't seem to accept the fact that they may not possess and / or understand every aspect of God's redemptive plan.

Not once have I denied this man's salvation or insinuated that he was a heretic as he has accused others. I simply stated that I don't see a lot of love of God in his actions which implies that he's acting out of the flesh. Who knows, maybe his poor behavior is a result of high blood pressure also?

Anyways, any time you want to talk to me Abiding, you know where to find me.