What do you believe 'hell' actually is?
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Your argument that people born into a culture that are taught that Christianity is wrong doesn't mean anything. It's not true. In China, Russia, and Middle East Muslim countries people are getting saved in huge numbers, people that used to hate Christians. It just means God has a different way of dealing with such people.
I've heard some Missionaries from China say that there are more underground Christians in China than there are professing Christians in the USA. Anyways back to your point, it's not valid nor is it a good argument against eternal punishment. Religious indoctrination against Christianity means nothing. It just means God has to use other evangelistic ways to save people than He would non-religious people.
You're all just taking it for granted that god is somehow revealing himself to every single life on the planet, and anyone who isn't a Christian has rejected god and deserves their eternal suffering. This assumption takes incredible faith, but demonstrates an intense ignorance of anyone else's perspective but your own... You're assuming that Christianity is a conclusion which is so obviously true that anyone who hears of it should convert, you don't think it's possible to just not believe, you have to call people stubborn or say they're rejecting god. Newsflash, they don't think that the god they're rejecting is real. So if it is all true, all the people in hell would have not known that god existed at all. Not only that, but you think that even if someone hasn't heard of Christianity, they should somehow repent for their sins and believe in Jesus because of observing nature and feeling guilt for wrongdoing? This is ludicrous, and the ONLY foundation to believe any of this is found in scripture...
If you want my opinion, people made up this whole "people choose to go to hell" idea because they felt so guilty about the existence of hell in the first place.
If you want my opinion, people made up this whole "people choose to go to hell" idea because they felt so guilty about the existence of hell in the first place.
Go through and read Romans 1-3, I think it might shine some light on this issue for you. Thankfully the Bible is the truth and is correct, even if we don't understand it or agree with it, it's still right. And it's teaching on eternal punishment is true to. And because it's true, as Christians we need to be zealous in spreading the gospel to those who haven't heard it.
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For God to be JUST or MERCIFUL, there have to be consequences. God is both of those things, so obviously there are consequences for actions.
What you're actually complaining about in this thread isn't that there is punishment, but that not believing in Him is a crime.
So sorry, but it is what it is. You can pout in the corner or whine to your friends about it, but it doesn't change the reality. Rejection of the Holy Spirit is a heinous offense to God. Your endless sins are also pretty bad, but He's totally willing to overlook them (through Christ). To me, that seems more than fair. You don't deserve His forgiveness and you don't deserve His love. What have you ever done for Him?
What you're actually complaining about in this thread isn't that there is punishment, but that not believing in Him is a crime.
So sorry, but it is what it is. You can pout in the corner or whine to your friends about it, but it doesn't change the reality. Rejection of the Holy Spirit is a heinous offense to God. Your endless sins are also pretty bad, but He's totally willing to overlook them (through Christ). To me, that seems more than fair. You don't deserve His forgiveness and you don't deserve His love. What have you ever done for Him?
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My friend. I will not join the direction of this tread as this will only bring out the truth concerning those who say they believe the truth. A lot of people are being exposed in this. And every time it happens.
But after you read all of their responses, consider this, if they disagree, then not every one is right.
But as for you. A lot of people cannot handle the truth so that is why they make other cases for the Truth. Even when God has shown some the truth they ignore it and make up lies. But it is not about hell. It is about SALVATION FROM hell. Jesus Christ teaches us a very harsh truth, that many people don't believe and they are offended. In fact, Jesus had a bunch of disciples for a while, but something he said made all but 12 of them leave. But these 12 didn't stay because they chose him, but because he chose them. Not many people can make it pass the offense for the sake of Truth.
May Jesus bless you my friend.
But after you read all of their responses, consider this, if they disagree, then not every one is right.
But as for you. A lot of people cannot handle the truth so that is why they make other cases for the Truth. Even when God has shown some the truth they ignore it and make up lies. But it is not about hell. It is about SALVATION FROM hell. Jesus Christ teaches us a very harsh truth, that many people don't believe and they are offended. In fact, Jesus had a bunch of disciples for a while, but something he said made all but 12 of them leave. But these 12 didn't stay because they chose him, but because he chose them. Not many people can make it pass the offense for the sake of Truth.
May Jesus bless you my friend.
Consequences for actions sounds great, we could work justice out of that. Eternal torture for not believing, however, is the furthest thing from justice. Consequences should be fair, anyone who thinks that being in excruciating pain FOREVER is a fair punishment for what I've done in my 19 years of life, what anyone did in their ?? years of life, or even what Hitler did in his 56 years of life... Let's just say that we have a MASSIVE disagreement as to the difference between disgusting cruelty and just consequences for actions.
You've told me that I don't deserve his love, and that I've done nothing for him. I can't argue with you on that, but what have I done to deserve hell? What has anyone done to deserve hell? Just think of the suffering here on Earth, think of a nonbeliever you love dearly being tortured and beaten on Earth for just a couple days. Could you visit them in the hospital and then think they not only deserved that, but deserve far WORSE than that for ETERNITY? Sickening, unnecessary cruelty is the issue here, nothing more.
You've told me that I don't deserve his love, and that I've done nothing for him. I can't argue with you on that, but what have I done to deserve hell? What has anyone done to deserve hell? Just think of the suffering here on Earth, think of a nonbeliever you love dearly being tortured and beaten on Earth for just a couple days. Could you visit them in the hospital and then think they not only deserved that, but deserve far WORSE than that for ETERNITY? Sickening, unnecessary cruelty is the issue here, nothing more.