What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?
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Maybe because His Church made with "lively stones" gets a top down view?
Again, it's really a silly argument, Its a win x win situation
2nd Comming of our Lord, we endure, by HIS power. because,
His Word says:
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
and:
1Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Thess 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
and:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
OR
Harpazo happens , no choice FOR THOSE WHO ARE HIS.
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
God Bless!
Again, it's really a silly argument, Its a win x win situation
2nd Comming of our Lord, we endure, by HIS power. because,
His Word says:
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
and:
1Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Thess 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
and:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
OR
Harpazo happens , no choice FOR THOSE WHO ARE HIS.
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
God Bless!
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i know Who Salvation IS and He is in me.
Jesus said He who endures to the end.
Paul warned us of people not enduring sound doctrine but turned aside to fables = pre-trib rapture
Apostles said: "through tribulation we must enter the Kingdom of God
And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 14: 21-22
Were the Apostles saved??? Why did they have to endure to the end???
Jesus said He who endures to the end.
Paul warned us of people not enduring sound doctrine but turned aside to fables = pre-trib rapture
Apostles said: "through tribulation we must enter the Kingdom of God
And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 14: 21-22
Were the Apostles saved??? Why did they have to endure to the end???
AGREE - but no lie of pre-trib rapture in these Beautiful Words of God you posted.
Now, do you believe also what the LORD said in Matthew 24 - Immediately after the Tribulation....I will come
and 1 Thessalonians 4 - The dead in Christ Rise First - at His coming
And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
How did the Apostles know that they had to go through Tribulation to enter the Kingdom of God?
SOMEONE must of told them the TRUTH - Do you know that SOMEONE who only speaks what His Father says.
Now, do you believe also what the LORD said in Matthew 24 - Immediately after the Tribulation....I will come
and 1 Thessalonians 4 - The dead in Christ Rise First - at His coming
And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
How did the Apostles know that they had to go through Tribulation to enter the Kingdom of God?
SOMEONE must of told them the TRUTH - Do you know that SOMEONE who only speaks what His Father says.
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so a few questions
1. Where does it say christ puts boots in the ground in thess?
2. When does God have time to complete his bema seat judgment on believers before he returns them to the earth if he just raptures them on his way back?
3. Why are their believers in the throne room who have been judged (bema) and already given their robes before jesus even opens the first seal?
I guess we can start here
1. Where does it say christ puts boots in the ground in thess?
2. When does God have time to complete his bema seat judgment on believers before he returns them to the earth if he just raptures them on his way back?
3. Why are their believers in the throne room who have been judged (bema) and already given their robes before jesus even opens the first seal?
I guess we can start here
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1.) Who told you that when He Comes the FIRST thing He does is "put His Boots in the ground"
2.) Who exalted you above Christ to tell Him when He is to Judge?
3.) We could not be with Christ, or enter Heaven if we were not first Judged.
There are many Judgments - God is in control of those - Not you or me.
And no lie is part of His Kingdom - this is why there is not one pre-trib rapture verse that can be found in Scripture - not one.
We are commanded to believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God - "not cunningly devised fables of men"
Why are you deeply immersed in something God did not say and reject what He did say?
If you want the truth you must abide in His Words - There is no other way - Read John 17
2.) Who exalted you above Christ to tell Him when He is to Judge?
3.) We could not be with Christ, or enter Heaven if we were not first Judged.
There are many Judgments - God is in control of those - Not you or me.
And no lie is part of His Kingdom - this is why there is not one pre-trib rapture verse that can be found in Scripture - not one.
We are commanded to believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God - "not cunningly devised fables of men"
Why are you deeply immersed in something God did not say and reject what He did say?
If you want the truth you must abide in His Words - There is no other way - Read John 17
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In thess he meets us in the clouds. Again, Who told you this was boots on the ground?
Ah, So you have no answer. that is what I thought.
I did not ay WHEN, I said HOW i that time
I will take your lack of an answer to be you do not know either. Thank you
Your right
Yet here we are in heaven having people raptured. Judged and rewarded Before the first seal is opened
There is only one Bema judgment, Where we are given our crowns and rewards.
I do believer every word. What I am wondering is why you do not? Your claiming there is no proof Yet here we are and we have somethink that suggests a pretrib. 1 of which you refused to answer. and the other of which you agreed with me.
so maybe you need to rethink?
I am not sure of pre-trib. But when people say there is no proof. Well I just can't buy that.
Ah, So you have no answer. that is what I thought.
I did not ay WHEN, I said HOW i that time
I will take your lack of an answer to be you do not know either. Thank you
Your right
Yet here we are in heaven having people raptured. Judged and rewarded Before the first seal is opened
There is only one Bema judgment, Where we are given our crowns and rewards.
I do believer every word. What I am wondering is why you do not? Your claiming there is no proof Yet here we are and we have somethink that suggests a pretrib. 1 of which you refused to answer. and the other of which you agreed with me.
so maybe you need to rethink?
I am not sure of pre-trib. But when people say there is no proof. Well I just can't buy that.
You cannot answere my questions so i'll take that as you don't know.
You are not seeking Truth - your own words prove it.
Once you accept an error, no matter how small, that error will continue to grow as you apply that error to scripture.
If you reject the words of Christ in Matthew 24 to His Bride/the Church/His Elect then you will add to His words and take away from them - This is EXACTLY what you MUST do to believe the lie of pre-trib rapture.
And the Lord will keep you in that lie as long as your reject His words and your heart is not submitted unto Him.
The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.
Did i not tell you there are many Judgments.....
You are not seeking Truth - your own words prove it.
Once you accept an error, no matter how small, that error will continue to grow as you apply that error to scripture.
If you reject the words of Christ in Matthew 24 to His Bride/the Church/His Elect then you will add to His words and take away from them - This is EXACTLY what you MUST do to believe the lie of pre-trib rapture.
And the Lord will keep you in that lie as long as your reject His words and your heart is not submitted unto Him.
The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.
Did i not tell you there are many Judgments.....
lol, no you did not - so we can laugh together and enjoy each other in Christ - go back and review your non-answers #190
One question at a time so there is no twisting and turning.
Who told you that Christ must FIRST put his boots in the ground at His Coming? Please answer with Scripture, if you can.
Matt 24
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Where is your pre-trib rapture???
If you say, Christ is not speaking to His Church - you lie - you take away fro the words of God.
The Lord Jesus Christ NEVER spoke of a pre-trib rapture - go find it - you cannot, for if it were so you would be able to find it coming from the Mouth of God.
The Lord's Feet will touch down - but not until HIS Bride is Resurrected First at HIS Coming, just as HE Said.
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My answer was who told you in thess it was boots on the ground, and it was the same coming, Remember I first asked the question, and this was your answer to me..
In other words. Neither one of us can prove our point.
Who said this was the rapture?
My friend. Once again, Why are believers raptured and judged in heaven before Jesus even opened the first seal?
You have yet to answer this question
In other words. Neither one of us can prove our point.
Who said this was the rapture?
My friend. Once again, Why are believers raptured and judged in heaven before Jesus even opened the first seal?
You have yet to answer this question
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Take a look at the Greek which instead shows this to be "PLURAL":
"through MANY [PLURAL] TRIBULATIONS [PLURAL]"... - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/14-22.htm
...and we know for a fact that (for example) the Thessalonians were experiencing "persecutionS and tribulationS YE ENDURE" 2Th1:4 even way back then!!
(NO ONE is denying that "the Church which is His body" has experienced this during and throughout its ENTIRE EXISTENCE on the earth since the first century!!
[Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)]; see also "the tribulation of us" 2Cor1:4, 7:4; and "in the tribulationS" Rom5:3... even in their day back then, see)
"through MANY [PLURAL] TRIBULATIONS [PLURAL]"... - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/14-22.htm
...and we know for a fact that (for example) the Thessalonians were experiencing "persecutionS and tribulationS YE ENDURE" 2Th1:4 even way back then!!
(NO ONE is denying that "the Church which is His body" has experienced this during and throughout its ENTIRE EXISTENCE on the earth since the first century!!
[Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)]; see also "the tribulation of us" 2Cor1:4, 7:4; and "in the tribulationS" Rom5:3... even in their day back then, see)The last part of your reply. Yes, thank you for reiterating that which is also stated in the scripture.
Odd though, don't you think?
In the Garden of Eden the Serpent, (detested for his part in Genesis, yet lifted up on Moses' staff as a symbol of healing for the Israelite's) not only knew which of all trees there was that only one God forbid to Adam and Eve. But also knew the prohibition God placed against its fruit.
There, in the New Testament, Satan knew to enter that one Disciple, after communion, which I think is key being Satan is that fallen angel, lord of this sinful world. However, to what end did he enter Judas? And this is the part about God's will that I think warrants consideration. Satan entered Judas who then betrayed Jesus to the Sanhedrin, that Jesus be later arrested in Gethsemane, suffer abuse, torture, rendered then by the people's "vote" to be crucified when Pilate gave them a choice.
All to ultimately accomplish the Preordained mission he was born for. To die, take the sins of the world upon himself on the cross, so that Satan's dominion over death would be vanquished. And all who repent of their sins, Satan's kingdom fruit you might say, would not perish but be Saved from their sin, and have everlasting life.
In short, Satan entered Judas in order to cut his own throat as lord over death in this world.
Liken it to someone standing beside a burglar and handing them the key to their own house.
Further, with Satan indwelling Judas after he partook of the first Communion is fascinating in itself.
This was a rite, a ritual that reckoned Jesus death on the cross before it happened, and that it be done in memory of him. Our fellowship together in memory of his crucifixion to this day.
Communion ritual remembers Jesus' body battered and broken and nailed to a tree to become accursed, as scripture says of anyone hanged on a tree. His blood spilled on that last sin altar to wash clean the sins of those who believe as he took the sins of the world upon himself there.
And also to establish God's new Covenant. Because as was tradition in those times covenants were sealed with blood. Leviticus 17
Satan, entering Judas, and can we say then that Judas was responsible for his actions when Satan was in control, helped to insure Jesus' mission was accomplished.
Therein insuring his end as God wills at the end of days. And insuring his dominion over death was also put to an end.
Odd though, don't you think?
In the Garden of Eden the Serpent, (detested for his part in Genesis, yet lifted up on Moses' staff as a symbol of healing for the Israelite's) not only knew which of all trees there was that only one God forbid to Adam and Eve. But also knew the prohibition God placed against its fruit.
There, in the New Testament, Satan knew to enter that one Disciple, after communion, which I think is key being Satan is that fallen angel, lord of this sinful world. However, to what end did he enter Judas? And this is the part about God's will that I think warrants consideration. Satan entered Judas who then betrayed Jesus to the Sanhedrin, that Jesus be later arrested in Gethsemane, suffer abuse, torture, rendered then by the people's "vote" to be crucified when Pilate gave them a choice.
All to ultimately accomplish the Preordained mission he was born for. To die, take the sins of the world upon himself on the cross, so that Satan's dominion over death would be vanquished. And all who repent of their sins, Satan's kingdom fruit you might say, would not perish but be Saved from their sin, and have everlasting life.
In short, Satan entered Judas in order to cut his own throat as lord over death in this world.
Liken it to someone standing beside a burglar and handing them the key to their own house.
Further, with Satan indwelling Judas after he partook of the first Communion is fascinating in itself.
This was a rite, a ritual that reckoned Jesus death on the cross before it happened, and that it be done in memory of him. Our fellowship together in memory of his crucifixion to this day.
Communion ritual remembers Jesus' body battered and broken and nailed to a tree to become accursed, as scripture says of anyone hanged on a tree. His blood spilled on that last sin altar to wash clean the sins of those who believe as he took the sins of the world upon himself there.
And also to establish God's new Covenant. Because as was tradition in those times covenants were sealed with blood. Leviticus 17
Satan, entering Judas, and can we say then that Judas was responsible for his actions when Satan was in control, helped to insure Jesus' mission was accomplished.
Therein insuring his end as God wills at the end of days. And insuring his dominion over death was also put to an end.
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My dear, you're mistaken.
You weren't even keeping up with the discussion or its points. As past exchanges between us demonstrate. No, you did not prove me wrong again and again. Your remarks in those past exchanges do not demonstrate you believe the scripture. Or care to understand it.
I think you're not taking the discussion seriously. Or, you're set on holding to your mistaken understanding and obstinately refuse to admit you misunderstand the scripture under discussion.
Which is why I said, go ahead and believe as you will. It isn't scripture, it's eqwism.
You weren't even keeping up with the discussion or its points. As past exchanges between us demonstrate. No, you did not prove me wrong again and again. Your remarks in those past exchanges do not demonstrate you believe the scripture. Or care to understand it.
I think you're not taking the discussion seriously. Or, you're set on holding to your mistaken understanding and obstinately refuse to admit you misunderstand the scripture under discussion.
Which is why I said, go ahead and believe as you will. It isn't scripture, it's eqwism.
