What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?

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Jesus said, today you will be with me in paradise.

No one receives a new body until they are resurrected. If they did, the resurrection of the dead in meaningless.

Once again, You hurt your own case by saying things which are nonsensical.
Jesus said that while on the cross before His Resurrection - Paradise is not Heaven - Jesus is not in Paradise, He is in Heaven.
 

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That does not put us under the law

He is correct. The law was our schoolmaster. We are under a different law. The law of Grace mercy and love,
I'm in agreement....to a certain extent (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6).

That is concerning condemnation.

Concerning obedience, the following scriptures apply:

1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv),

Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6.

If anyone is truly born again, he is no longer bound to the letter but is free to be obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6)....he fulfills every moral tenet of righteousness found in the law because he loves the Lord his God with all of his heart, mind, soul, and strength; and his neighbor as himself.

For the law is the specifics of the love of God; and therefore if you violate one of the moral tenets found in the law, you are violating love.

While if you are obeying a higher law in breaking a lesser one, God counts you as being obedient (such as when our Lord healed the lame man on the sabbath day).
 
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I'm in agreement....to a certain extent (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6).

That is concerning condemnation.

Concerning obedience, the following scriptures apply:

1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv),

Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6.

If anyone is truly born again, he is no longer bound to the letter but is free to be obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6)....he fulfills every moral tenet of righteousness found in the law because he loves the Lord his God with all of his heart, mind, soul, and strength; and his neighbor as himself.

For the law is the specifics of the love of God; and therefore if you violate one of the moral tenets found in the law, you are violating love.

While if you are obeying a higher law in breaking a lesser one, God counts you as being obedient (such as when our Lord healed the lame man on the sabbath day).
The law was given to lead us to Christ.

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

Gal 3: 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

The law requires perfection my friend, If your not perfect. You have failed to keep the law.

James agrees. as he says whoever keeps the whole law yet STUMBLES in one point is guilty of all

to many people try to teach the law yet have no understand of its purpose and result.
 

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It would seem that there is a contradiction in scripture when we compare Galatians 3:10 to James 1:25.

For Galatians 3:10 speaks of the curse of the law; while James 1:25 speaks of a blessing for those who look into the perfect law of llibery and obey it.

What you need to understand about this is that Galatians 3:10 is speaking of those who are seeking to be justified by the law (see also Galatians 5:1-4).

While James 1:22-25 is speaking to those who know that they are justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.

Such people can move forward in their walk and begin to walk in "the obedience of faith" (Romans 16:26 (kjv)).

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Rom 3:30, Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31, Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Notice here that the uncircumcision (Gentiles) are justified through faith; and we do not make the law void through faith.
 

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but we have people in new bodies, in robes and have their crowns before the first seal opens.

Please answer my questions all you did was give me your view. That would not help me change my view. .
The text does not say new bodies or robes. You have added that. That's called Eisegesis.
 
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The law was given to lead us to Christ.

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

Gal 3: 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

The law requires perfection my friend, If your not perfect. You have failed to keep the law.

James agrees. as he says whoever keeps the whole law yet STUMBLES in one point is guilty of all

to many people try to teach the law yet have no understand of its purpose and result.
AMEN AMEN AMEN - Peace and Love to You my Brother - always know this when we sharpen our swords
 
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Liberty is only found in Christ and His Holy Spirit which enables us to draw close and be FREE from the Law.

Then Ten Commandments/Law are hidden and enclosed under the Mercy Seat where Christ Sits - Get It
 

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Liberty is only found in Christ and His Holy Spirit which enables us to draw close and be FREE from the Law.

Then Ten Commandments/Law are hidden and enclosed under the Mercy Seat where Christ Sits - Get It
Yes, we are set free from the law; and as the result, sin shall not have dominion over us (Romans 6:14); and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); therefore this means that we will be obedient to the law for that we have been set free from it.

For, if we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, in bearing the fruit of the Spirit we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven. For it is written that the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

This is not achieved by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts, but by and through faith.

It is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.
 
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Yes, we are set free from the law; and as the result, sin shall not have dominion over us (Romans 6:14); and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); therefore this means that we will be obedient to the law for that we have been set free from it.

For, if we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, in bearing the fruit of the Spirit we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven. For it is written that the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

This is not achieved by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts, but by and through faith.

It is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.
But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets.
And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

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But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets.
And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

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Sure it will.

Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Being regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost means that I am no longer, among other things, disobedient.

For we are saved by grace through faith. And therefore, if we have faith in Jesus Christ, we will be regenerated and renewed, according to a careful understanding of this scripture. Because we are justfied by his grace (Titus 3:7); and this means that we have been regenerated and renewed.
 
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Sure it will.

Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Being regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost means that I am no longer, among other things, disobedient.

For we are saved by grace through faith. And therefore, if we have faith in Jesus Christ, we will be regenerated and renewed, according to a careful understanding of this scripture. Because we are justfied by his grace (Titus 3:7); and this means that we have been regenerated and renewed.
YES, but not by or through the Law - as the Scripture says: "Righteousness apart from the Law"
 

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YES, but not by or through the Law - as the Scripture says: "Righteousness apart from the Law"
Is that not what I am preaching?

However, in that we are not disobedient, we are not disobedient to God's word (the law).

For the righteousness is attested to by the law and the prophets that it is righteousness indeed.
 
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Is that not what I am preaching?

However, in that we are not disobedient, we are not disobedient to God's word (the law).

For the righteousness is attested to by the law and the prophets that it is righteousness indeed.
Your attempting to attach the Law to the Gospel.

Now, if you were witnessing to a Jew who believes in the Law then you could do what Paul did and be all things to all men to win them to Christ - key is Christ must be the Salvation from start to finish.

Not , ok now i am saved, i better obey the law now - bad.
 

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Your attempting to attach the Law to the Gospel.

Now, if you were witnessing to a Jew who believes in the Law then you could do what Paul did and be all things to all men to win them to Christ - key is Christ must be the Salvation from start to finish.

Not , ok now i am saved, i better obey the law now - bad.
We obviously do not obey the law in order to obtain, keep, or maintain our salvation.

But it should be clear that if we look into the perfect law of liberty and continue in it, we will be blessed in what we do (James 1:25).

Also, under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and in our minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6). Therefore, will the believer in Christ not be obedient to it?

I say to you truly that in bearing the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, in bearing the fruit of the Spirit we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

Which righteousness is not obtained by seeking to obey a set of do's and don'ts.

Thus it is a righteousness apart from the law, that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

It is the righteousness of the law that is inadvertently fulfilled in us as we do not seek to obey a set of do's and don'ts but as we, rather, place our faith in Christ and then walk according to the Spirit that He has given to us (Romans 8:4); which Spirit is the Spirit of love (Romans 5:5). Because love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10).

Because we receive a changed heart through faith; and because of that changed heart we walk according to His statutes and according to His judgments (Ezekiel 36:25-27). He causes us to do so (Ezekiel 36:27).
 

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1Jo 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1Co 15:34, Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Eph 4:26, Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

We are obviously commanded not to transgress the law in these verses;

While it is clear from other scripture that obeying the law doesn't justify us;

But rather we obey the law because we are justified.

Just as we are not saved by works but are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:8-10), so are we not saved by keeping the law but we are saved unto keeping the law.

While I have said in posts above that we come to that obedience in a roundabout way, through faith in Christ and through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


It should be clear that we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (which includes law-keeping); however, if we have been regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost, we will have a changed life as the result of our salvation (which includes law-keeping, Ezekiel 36:25-27).

Jas 1:22, But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23, For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24, For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
 
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We obviously do not obey the law in order to obtain, keep, or maintain our salvation.

But it should be clear that if we look into the perfect law of liberty and continue in it, we will be blessed in what we do (James 1:25).

Also, under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and in our minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6). Therefore, will the believer in Christ not be obedient to it?

I say to you truly that in bearing the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, in bearing the fruit of the Spirit we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

Which righteousness is not obtained by seeking to obey a set of do's and don'ts.

Thus it is a righteousness apart from the law, that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

It is the righteousness of the law that is inadvertently fulfilled in us as we do not seek to obey a set of do's and don'ts but as we, rather, place our faith in Christ and then walk according to the Spirit that He has given to us (Romans 8:4); which Spirit is the Spirit of love (Romans 5:5). Because love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10).

Because we receive a changed heart through faith; and because of that changed heart we walk according to His statutes and according to His judgments (Ezekiel 36:25-27). He causes us to do so (Ezekiel 36:27).
The perfect law of liberty is not the Law.

Stay here = Because love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10).

Go nowhere else but the Love of Christ - stay away from religion/the Law/legalism
 

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The perfect law of liberty is not the Law.

Stay here = Because love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10).

Go nowhere else but the Love of Christ - stay away from religion/the Law/legalism
See post #236.

Also, the law is the specifics of God's love when the love of the Lord reigns within our hearts.

In James 2:10-12, it should be clear that the law of liberty is the ten commandments.

But I understand that there will be those who will be blinded to this truth because of the principle of 2 Corinthians 4:3-4.
 

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The perfect law of liberty is not the Law.

Stay here = Because love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10).

Go nowhere else but the Love of Christ - stay away from religion/the Law/legalism
Pro 28:9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Isa 8:20, To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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Pro 28:9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Isa 8:20, To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Read Acts ch 7 and ch 15

Better yet, seek the Lord and read Acts