What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

Let us examine what is TRUTH

i have offered a $1,000 Award - Guaranteed - for the Scripture that says "His Church/Bride/Elect will be pre-trib raptured"
I did this over a month ago on numerous Threads and Posts.
Not one scripture - not one, was given or brought forth - not one.

Pre-trib rapture has no place in Christ and cannot be found in any of His Words - not even once.

How about just one verse where our Lord says: 'You shall not suffer the great tribulation'

Apostle Paul? give us just one verse where he says - "we shall be pre-trib raptured before the Lord's Coming"

Apostle John? can you give us just one verse where he says - 'we will not face the Antichrist, it will not happen until after we leave'

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

Icedaisey said:

Yes, the Lord will restore Israel, but not until after the Tribulation, at His Second Coming

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate.
For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."
Matthew 23: 37-39

justbyfaith · Oct 2, 2021

Runningman said:

They do contain info about a pre-trib rapture; but you just aren't seeing it.

justbyfaith · Oct 2, 2021

DavidTree said:

I've seen your kind before...there was guy over at ChristianityBoards who offered $1,000 to anyone who could prove that repentance away from sin is a prerequisite for salvation.

I proved it to him...but he never paid up.

And I have already proved a pre-trib rapture in this very thread...but you will never admit to it and therefore will never pay up...and therefore your challenge is nothing but a lie.

justbyfaith · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

And of course that is not even the point.

The point is that Jesus commanded us to always pray that we might delivered from those things that are going to come upon the earth and that we might be able to stand before Him...and that He said elsewhere that if we believe that we receive what we pray for, we shall have the thing that we have asked for.

So, if I am obedient to Luke 21:36 and pray for what He told me to pray for...is He then not going to give me what I ask for? It is obviously His will that I ask Him for it because He told me to ask Him for it.

Then, consider this passage.

1Jo 5:14, And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15, And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

What I am saying in favour of a pre-tribulation rapture for those who are obedient to Luke 21:36 is pretty air-tight impaho.

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

You have only proven that you believe a lie that was told to you.

If you had just one scripture saying "pre-trib rapture for His Church -Bride- Elect -you would post it - you haven't.

You think you are knowledgeable. You have intellectual assertion but not the Spirit of Truth in you, when you say pre-trib true.

Icedaisey · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

I've seen your kind before...there was guy over at ChristianityBoards who offered $1,000 to anyone who could prove that repentance away from sin is a prerequisite for salvation.

I proved it to him...but he never paid up.

And I have already proved a pre-trib rapture in this very thread...but you will never admit to it and therefore will never pay up...and therefore your challenge is nothing but a lie.

That $1000 bloke @ CB is likely DT.

Icedaisey · Oct 2, 2021

JBF,
Did you mean to quote yourself?

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

Icedaisey said:

Nope - the first and only time i did a $1,000 Reward was for the error of pre-trib.

Go at it, because it's worth it for you - not for the money - but to prove yourself and your words as true unto God.

And when you come up empty, as all do, for God never, not once, said pre-trib is true.

This Benefit is for YOU and ALL to SEE and to FLEE from satan's lies.

Crazy Crazy
don't be lazy
read it all
and do not fall
for what is Says
is IT's Pledge
not to lie
as sinful men die

Runningman · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

I'll never see it unless it's directly stated. Then that would create the issue of reconciling those alleged pre-trib verses with the Bible's post-trib doctrine.

I'm sure you've studied this topic for years just like I have, but I think you're seeing something that isn't there. When I first started studying eschatology, I didn't have a bias or preference as to when the rapture is. I just accepted what the Bible directly said about it.

You've probably heard this a million times, but the rapture is actually post-trib. Have you studied the post-trib rapture?

justbyfaith · Oct 2, 2021

Runningman said:

DavidTree said:

I have posted it...here.

justbyfaith said:

justbyfaith · Oct 2, 2021

Icedaisey said:

Yes.

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Not even close - not even a scratch on the surface -

What you are doing is called 'prescribed scripture'.

Pre-trib rapture has no place in Christ because it never came out of His Mouth = cannot be found in any of His Words.

I mean, come on, how about just one verse where our Lord says: 'You shall not suffer the great tribulation'

What about the Apostle Paul? give us just one verse where he says - "we shall be pre-trib raptured before the Lord's Coming"

How about the Apostle John? can you give us just one verse where he says - 'we will not face the Antichrist, it will not happen until after we leave'

justbyfaith · Oct 2, 2021

DavidTree said:

I am surprised that you do not see the airtightness of the case that I have made for a pre-tribulation rapture in the post in question.

I am beginning to wonder if 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 might not be a factor.

The one verse is Luke 21:36. We are told to always pray that we might be able to escape those things that are going to come upon the earth.

Again, it seems to me that Jesus would not tell us to pray for that and then say "no" as an answer to that prayer.

For, it is obviously a prayer that is according to His will.

Consider.

1Jo 5:14, And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15, And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Knowing that the prayer that I might escape those things that are going to come upon the earth is a prayer that is according to His will, I know that He hears me when I pray it; and because I know that He hears me, I know that I have the thing that I've asked for.

On top of that is the following scripture.

Mar 11:24, Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

This only serves as an extra confirmation that I am going to receive what I have asked for.

justbyfaith · Oct 2, 2021

DavidTree said:

We are told to pray for a pre-tribulation rapture in Luke 21:36.

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

No you have taken this into the laughable arena =
You said: "I am surprised that you do not see the airtightness of the case that I have made for a pre-tribulation rapture"

There is "airtightness" all right - in your head. You better get some FRESH AIR in there of TRUTH.

For someone who speaks of following the Law - You sure o break it often = Deut 4:1-2, Prov 30: 5-6 and Rev 22: 18-19

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Falsehood and Lawlessnes

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

This what we are told to believe and place or trust in: 1 Thessalonian 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

His Coming, the Resurrection and Deliverance from His wrath - Amen

DavidTree · Oct 2, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Good Nite Brother - Peace and Blessings to you and your Family - Read John 17 You will find your Peace and Rescue there.

ewq1938 · Oct 3, 2021

justbyfaith said:

No.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.

To escape in this context isn't to run away but to be able to bear what is going to come. Christians survive the great tribulation are those who escaped in a non-physical sense, being able to bear the tribulations satan brings upon church in that time period.

bear it:

G5297
ὑποφέρω
hupopherō
hoop-of-er'-o
From G5259 and G5342; to bear from underneath, that is, (figuratively) to undergo hardship: - bear, endure.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

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