What does Matthew 5:28-30 mean If we are truly saved by faith?
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I did not say a backsliding Christian goes to hell, please read what I wrote.
I said a person who continues to live in willful sin, and one who returns to living in willful sin will not have salvation.
The bible makes this very clear, but the issue is the wording willful sin because some take that we all willfully sin. But like I have posed over and over again, do you repent and ask forgiveness of that sin ? Or do you live in it every day as if it is acceptable and not repent or ask forgiveness of it ? This is the difference of a willful sinner.
I said a person who continues to live in willful sin, and one who returns to living in willful sin will not have salvation.
The bible makes this very clear, but the issue is the wording willful sin because some take that we all willfully sin. But like I have posed over and over again, do you repent and ask forgiveness of that sin ? Or do you live in it every day as if it is acceptable and not repent or ask forgiveness of it ? This is the difference of a willful sinner.
Psalm 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
Psalm 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
This is why Jesus taught us how to pray.
Luke 11
King James Bible
The Lord's Prayer
(Matthew 6:5-15)
1And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3Give us day by day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
Psalm 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
This is why Jesus taught us how to pray.
Luke 11
King James Bible
The Lord's Prayer
(Matthew 6:5-15)
1And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3Give us day by day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
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Hi, Radius. 
imo Ben's right...the Sermon on the Mount is Jesus' authoritative interpretation of God's Law.
here are some interesting (to me, anyway) parallels Matthew brings, and remember he's writing to
a predominantly Jewish audience.
think back to the OT:
God's children are in Egypt, and a ruler (Pharoah) orders the slaughter of babies.
God, through Moses, calls them out of Egypt.
they pass through the waters of the Red Sea. they're organized into twelve tribes.
they wander in the wilderness for forty years, and during that time Moses
ascends a mountain (Sinai) to receive and then deliver God's Law.
look at Matthew 1, and how he tells the story:
God's Child is in Egypt because a ruler (Herod) ordered the slaughter of babies.
Jesus passes through the waters of baptism.
He spends forty days and nights in the wilderness. He calls twelve disciples.
He ascends a mountain and begins to teach...God's Law, as its meant to be.
i don't think those 'coincidences' were lost on Matthew's audience.
God's Law is meant to show us what Righteousness is, and to demolish all notions
we can attain that Righteousness on our own.
to destroy our ideas we are good...to stop us from any and all self sufficient moral endeavor.
to lead us to Christ!
you, Radius, you have the Perfect Righteousness of Jesus credited to your account.
you're gonna be okay.
~ellie
imo Ben's right...the Sermon on the Mount is Jesus' authoritative interpretation of God's Law.
here are some interesting (to me, anyway) parallels Matthew brings, and remember he's writing to
a predominantly Jewish audience.
think back to the OT:
God's children are in Egypt, and a ruler (Pharoah) orders the slaughter of babies.
God, through Moses, calls them out of Egypt.
they pass through the waters of the Red Sea. they're organized into twelve tribes.
they wander in the wilderness for forty years, and during that time Moses
ascends a mountain (Sinai) to receive and then deliver God's Law.
look at Matthew 1, and how he tells the story:
God's Child is in Egypt because a ruler (Herod) ordered the slaughter of babies.
Jesus passes through the waters of baptism.
He spends forty days and nights in the wilderness. He calls twelve disciples.
He ascends a mountain and begins to teach...God's Law, as its meant to be.
i don't think those 'coincidences' were lost on Matthew's audience.
God's Law is meant to show us what Righteousness is, and to demolish all notions
we can attain that Righteousness on our own.
to destroy our ideas we are good...to stop us from any and all self sufficient moral endeavor.
to lead us to Christ!
you, Radius, you have the Perfect Righteousness of Jesus credited to your account.
you're gonna be okay.
~ellie
Hi, Radius.
imo Ben's right...the Sermon on the Mount is Jesus' authoritative interpretation of God's Law.
here are some interesting (to me, anyway) parallels Matthew brings, and remember he's writing to
a predominantly Jewish audience.
think back to the OT:
God's children are in Egypt, and a ruler (Pharoah) orders the slaughter of babies.
God, through Moses, calls them out of Egypt.
they pass through the waters of the Red Sea. they're organized into twelve tribes.
they wander in the wilderness for forty years, and during that time Moses
ascends a mountain (Sinai) to receive and then deliver God's Law.
look at Matthew 1, and how he tells the story:
God's Child is in Egypt because a ruler (Herod) ordered the slaughter of babies.
Jesus passes through the waters of baptism.
He spends forty days and nights in the wilderness. He calls twelve disciples.
He ascends a mountain and begins to teach...God's Law, as its meant to be.
i don't think those 'coincidences' were lost on Matthew's audience.
God's Law is meant to show us what Righteousness is, and to demolish all notions
we can attain that Righteousness on our own.
to destroy our ideas we are good...to stop us from any and all self sufficient moral endeavor.
to lead us to Christ!
you, Radius, you have the Perfect Righteousness of Jesus credited to your account.
you're gonna be okay.
~ellie
imo Ben's right...the Sermon on the Mount is Jesus' authoritative interpretation of God's Law.
here are some interesting (to me, anyway) parallels Matthew brings, and remember he's writing to
a predominantly Jewish audience.
think back to the OT:
God's children are in Egypt, and a ruler (Pharoah) orders the slaughter of babies.
God, through Moses, calls them out of Egypt.
they pass through the waters of the Red Sea. they're organized into twelve tribes.
they wander in the wilderness for forty years, and during that time Moses
ascends a mountain (Sinai) to receive and then deliver God's Law.
look at Matthew 1, and how he tells the story:
God's Child is in Egypt because a ruler (Herod) ordered the slaughter of babies.
Jesus passes through the waters of baptism.
He spends forty days and nights in the wilderness. He calls twelve disciples.
He ascends a mountain and begins to teach...God's Law, as its meant to be.
i don't think those 'coincidences' were lost on Matthew's audience.
God's Law is meant to show us what Righteousness is, and to demolish all notions
we can attain that Righteousness on our own.
to destroy our ideas we are good...to stop us from any and all self sufficient moral endeavor.
to lead us to Christ!
you, Radius, you have the Perfect Righteousness of Jesus credited to your account.
you're gonna be okay.
~ellie
bro I go by the word not wishful thinking....God has ordained ways or us to walk in holiness before him....
2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hebrews 4:1
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hebrews 4:1
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
SO let's say, and I'm totally serious, hypothetically, that just before the nurse put the IV in my arm to put me to sleep before getting major surgery I glanced down her body and looked at things I shouldn't. Just before I got knocked out I thought about some VERY indecent lustful thoughts. Then during the surgery my heart stops and die unexpectedly. Now technically, the last thing I did was lust and didn't even have time to repent. Would I be going to hell?
Yes or no answer would be great!
Yes or no answer would be great!
Go study David and Bathsheba and rejoice in the mercy of God and the forgiveness that is found is Jesus and the eternal salvation....Pay attention to the picture of the SON OF DAVID paying the price for the sin of DAVID and taking his place in death, because under the law David should have been put to death for murder (Uriah) and David's sin with Bathsheba....NOTE....DAVID was forgiven......!
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What Jesus is talking about is willful sin. Ok so we are all guilty of seeing a good looking person of the opposite sex and having thoughts. Guilty as charged! The difference is this..do you act upon the sin or say to yourself "Um Lord forgive me". Someone who would act upon the sin would be someone who I call an "actor faith". They play the part but don't truly have faith in Jesus Christ. We "see" them fall away from Christ but never really had total faith in Christ to begin with...they were acting a part. A true Christian with saving faith won't act upon it but come before Christ in forgiveness. And even if (this is a HUGE if) we do fall and act upon it God will forgive us if we are true.
But God also knows we are "kinda dumb sheep" (for lack of better terms). When we do fall we can repent and be forgiven.
Now no!!!! Grace is not a license to sin but we are given that by God because he knows "we are dumb sheep". We are a "new creation" in Christ so our thinking is different. Our first thought might be "wow nice" but our second thought should be "not mine". If our second thought is an action based on the first thought we should check our faith. If we find our faith lacking then we should really really come before God and pray that he can "fix" us. If we really aren't worried about being "fixed" then is our faith genuine or fake.
Now understand that this is my thinking upon these passages but I do believe this to be true. Don't think I'm going around sinning because of Gods grace, but trying not to sin because of God's grace. But I am a "dumb sheep" so I will make bad choices (these aren't mistakes but choices we make. A mistake is an accident a choice is willfully doing it) But if my faith is true saving faith I cannot fall away from God's grace.
And think...sheep are known to be one of the dumbest animals in the animal kingdom. This is why we so dearly need the good Shepard Jesus. And think this too...Many Shepard have a dog that works with them....could be a pastor or elder or even a more mature Christian who does the bidding of the Shepard to help keep the sheep in line. We as Christians are called, I believe, to be that dog working for Christ to bring the flock to Him so he can take care of us.
But a faith that is true to Jesus cannot fall from God's Grace. Yeah I believe OSAS and that's fine if you disagree with me but I find it Biblically sound just as much as someone might not. The main point would be the blood of Christ so let's at least agree on that.
I don't want to change this to an OSAS or not debate but maybe help understand that through Christ we can "move away from the action we might have followed before we knew Christ".
But God also knows we are "kinda dumb sheep" (for lack of better terms). When we do fall we can repent and be forgiven.
Now no!!!! Grace is not a license to sin but we are given that by God because he knows "we are dumb sheep". We are a "new creation" in Christ so our thinking is different. Our first thought might be "wow nice" but our second thought should be "not mine". If our second thought is an action based on the first thought we should check our faith. If we find our faith lacking then we should really really come before God and pray that he can "fix" us. If we really aren't worried about being "fixed" then is our faith genuine or fake.
Now understand that this is my thinking upon these passages but I do believe this to be true. Don't think I'm going around sinning because of Gods grace, but trying not to sin because of God's grace. But I am a "dumb sheep" so I will make bad choices (these aren't mistakes but choices we make. A mistake is an accident a choice is willfully doing it) But if my faith is true saving faith I cannot fall away from God's grace.
And think...sheep are known to be one of the dumbest animals in the animal kingdom. This is why we so dearly need the good Shepard Jesus. And think this too...Many Shepard have a dog that works with them....could be a pastor or elder or even a more mature Christian who does the bidding of the Shepard to help keep the sheep in line. We as Christians are called, I believe, to be that dog working for Christ to bring the flock to Him so he can take care of us.
But a faith that is true to Jesus cannot fall from God's Grace. Yeah I believe OSAS and that's fine if you disagree with me but I find it Biblically sound just as much as someone might not. The main point would be the blood of Christ so let's at least agree on that.
I don't want to change this to an OSAS or not debate but maybe help understand that through Christ we can "move away from the action we might have followed before we knew Christ".