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I agree that Jesus is deity. My argument is that He is the Son and not the Supreme God. Paul said, for us there is one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is God in the sense that He is of the same essence as God the Father. However, is not God the Father. The Father is ultimately supreme. Even when the Father subjected all things to the Son Paul said that the Father was exempted for that, meaning that the Father was not under Christ's authority.
[SUP]22[/SUP] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[SUP]23[/SUP] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[SUP]24[/SUP] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25[/SUP] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26[/SUP] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27[/SUP] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
(1Co 15:22-27 KJV)
[SUP]22[/SUP] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[SUP]23[/SUP] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[SUP]24[/SUP] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25[/SUP] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26[/SUP] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27[/SUP] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
(1Co 15:22-27 KJV)
And 1John 5v20 states: "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."
QED!
QED!
Here are Jesus' words, notice John said the same thing.
[SUP]3[/SUP] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
(Joh 17:3 KJV)
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That might be your (wrong) understanding of it (1John 5v20)!
"This is the true God" is referred to the last named person, Jesus Christ, and to try and apply it to God the Father is OVER-stretching it to say the least, and also God the Father has already been named "the only true God" in John 17v3, so John doesn't need to repeat it!
Something else you need to consider, not only is God the Father and the Lord Jesus "the only true God", but also the Holy Spirit is also "the only true God" simply because He is God!
"This is the true God" is referred to the last named person, Jesus Christ, and to try and apply it to God the Father is OVER-stretching it to say the least, and also God the Father has already been named "the only true God" in John 17v3, so John doesn't need to repeat it!
Something else you need to consider, not only is God the Father and the Lord Jesus "the only true God", but also the Holy Spirit is also "the only true God" simply because He is God!
That might be your (wrong) understanding of it (1John 5v20)!
"This is the true God" is referred to the last named person, Jesus Christ, and to try and apply it to God the Father is OVER-stretching it to say the least, and also God the Father has already been named "the only true God" in John 17v3, so John doesn't need to repeat it!
Something else you need to consider, not only is God the Father and the Lord Jesus "the only true God", but also the Holy Spirit is also "the only true God" simply because He is God!
"This is the true God" is referred to the last named person, Jesus Christ, and to try and apply it to God the Father is OVER-stretching it to say the least, and also God the Father has already been named "the only true God" in John 17v3, so John doesn't need to repeat it!
Something else you need to consider, not only is God the Father and the Lord Jesus "the only true God", but also the Holy Spirit is also "the only true God" simply because He is God!
Trinity -
1. A group or set of three people or things; triad; trio; trine.
2. The state of being three; threeness.
By the will of GOD and through CHRIST and by the help of the HOLY SPIRIT, the inspired Holy Bible Scripture teaching gives us spiritual knowledge and continuing in that knowledge, with revelation, we gain wisdom and that wisdom say there are three divine person, from the Kingdom of GOD, who interacts and co-operates here on earth, through a vessel, which is the church (spirit and truth worshiper believers), called as the body and parts of the second divine person, who is CHRIST.
One do not need to be or is a clever scientist, to perceive the Kingdom of GOD, nor ever. About this matter, one can only perceive them, as called by CHRIST, to come to know them like a child, that basically it is read, as written in the Holy Bible and they are true and are our faith foundation to stand firm on. No matter even if they are, as our faith foundation of the Kingdom knowledge and wisdom, are a contradiction to this world.
1. A group or set of three people or things; triad; trio; trine.
2. The state of being three; threeness.
By the will of GOD and through CHRIST and by the help of the HOLY SPIRIT, the inspired Holy Bible Scripture teaching gives us spiritual knowledge and continuing in that knowledge, with revelation, we gain wisdom and that wisdom say there are three divine person, from the Kingdom of GOD, who interacts and co-operates here on earth, through a vessel, which is the church (spirit and truth worshiper believers), called as the body and parts of the second divine person, who is CHRIST.
One do not need to be or is a clever scientist, to perceive the Kingdom of GOD, nor ever. About this matter, one can only perceive them, as called by CHRIST, to come to know them like a child, that basically it is read, as written in the Holy Bible and they are true and are our faith foundation to stand firm on. No matter even if they are, as our faith foundation of the Kingdom knowledge and wisdom, are a contradiction to this world.
The Bible does not teach Trinity God, but only One God equivalent to One Lord or One Spirit, even the Bible only tell us the One Person of GOD!
The origin of Trinity came from the early false christians. If we search deeply the true history, the Council of Nicea that formulated Trinity doctrine were only attended by false christians who collaborate with the Emperor of Rome, even the christian bishop of Rome during that time did not attend the said Council. Same Council that formulated a laws of hatred against the Jews. Only false Christians who heed the call of Emperor Constantine for reconciliation by an order of his Edict of Milan, while the true Christians were continue hiding together with the Christian Jews who were baptized in Jesus name. Trinity doctrine cannot be trusted, formulated by false christians go in hand as anti-semitism since from the past.
The origin of Trinity came from the early false christians. If we search deeply the true history, the Council of Nicea that formulated Trinity doctrine were only attended by false christians who collaborate with the Emperor of Rome, even the christian bishop of Rome during that time did not attend the said Council. Same Council that formulated a laws of hatred against the Jews. Only false Christians who heed the call of Emperor Constantine for reconciliation by an order of his Edict of Milan, while the true Christians were continue hiding together with the Christian Jews who were baptized in Jesus name. Trinity doctrine cannot be trusted, formulated by false christians go in hand as anti-semitism since from the past.
The Bible does not teach Trinity God, but only One God equivalent to One Lord or One Spirit, even the Bible only tell us the One Person of GOD!
The origin of Trinity doctrine came from the early false christians. If we search deeply the true history, the Council of Nicea that flourished/formulated Trinity doctrine were only attended by false christians who collaborate with the Emperor of Rome, even the christian bishop of Rome during that time did not attend the said Council. Same Council that formulated a laws of hatred against the Jews. Only false Christians who heed the call of Emperor Constantine for reconciliation by an order of his Edict of Milan, while the true Christians were continue hiding together with the Christian Jews who were baptized in Jesus name. Trinity doctrine cannot be trusted, formulated by false christians go in hand as anti-semitism since from the past.
The origin of Trinity doctrine came from the early false christians. If we search deeply the true history, the Council of Nicea that flourished/formulated Trinity doctrine were only attended by false christians who collaborate with the Emperor of Rome, even the christian bishop of Rome during that time did not attend the said Council. Same Council that formulated a laws of hatred against the Jews. Only false Christians who heed the call of Emperor Constantine for reconciliation by an order of his Edict of Milan, while the true Christians were continue hiding together with the Christian Jews who were baptized in Jesus name. Trinity doctrine cannot be trusted, formulated by false christians go in hand as anti-semitism since from the past.
Sorry to say again with all due respect, i accept there is only one GOD but in the New Testament, testimony testifies that three names mentioned and in action and in one formation of visible and invisible, in the fullness and likeness of that one.
No one nor anything can separate them, as Biblically written who are in unified function, in communion 'united' with the true church, the body of CHRIST.
Example, you disagree and i agree in the sharing of what i have learned and witnessed in the Holy Bible, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, my received anointing, the only entrusted Teacher placed in every called believers, against those who are misleading.
This shows we are not one in 'unity' to a justified unified matter, even though we go by two separate names and structure and color and region.
No one nor anything can separate them, as Biblically written who are in unified function, in communion 'united' with the true church, the body of CHRIST.
Example, you disagree and i agree in the sharing of what i have learned and witnessed in the Holy Bible, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, my received anointing, the only entrusted Teacher placed in every called believers, against those who are misleading.
This shows we are not one in 'unity' to a justified unified matter, even though we go by two separate names and structure and color and region.