What does the Law REALLY say?

[psychomom]

This is beating a dead horse. No one talks about it but the people dead set against any work for the Lord. If you all don't want to do this dangerous stuff of working for the Lord, don't work, but for goodness sakes, don't keep telling about how dangerous and awful any work is over and over, everyone is tired of hearing about it. It is as if only you privileged people who hate working for the Lord know that it isn't work that saves and you keep hammering on the same old tune trying to make yourselves righteous by what you consider such privileged knowledge.

I love the law and am grateful for it.

Ma'am, I wonder if you are reading what I actually say?
Nowhere, nowhere, nowhere have i proclaimed I have privileged knowledge or that I do not (and I hate to type these words) "work for the Lord".

You may not believe it, but there are some here who do not believe the Work Christ accomplished was sufficient for salvation, sanctification, and ultimate glorification.
Not one thing we can add to make it more, er, successful.

Our work is, if you're a mom, a doctor, a neighbor, a machinist, a hotel room cleaner, an engineer...do it all to the glory of God.
as working for the Lord, not for men, right?
Is there a difference between serving others and considering oneself obligated to the commands of the Mosaic Law?

I'll go back and look, but as I remember right now, all the commands of the NT epistles are toward others.
What we are to do for others. How we are to serve others.
And because everything I need Christ has secured for me, I am free to give to others, to serve others.
That's my position.

And, Ma'am, regarding that last thing I quoted from you...
I see you say that sort of thing often, and I don't disbelieve it, or think it's bad.
But wouldn't it be better for those in Christ to be saying, "I love the Lord"?
I see you saying you try to obey the Law and "use" the blood of Christ when you fail,
which, frankly, makes me cringe.

As those who have been rescued so dramatically and lovingly by the Lord Jesus,
shouldn't He be the One we glorify?

Please...forgive me if that was too harsh, or if I have misunderstood you.

 

[Elin]

You have all managed to have your new church based on cancellations of scripture

Are you referring to cancellations of these Scriptures?

The law has been set aside because it was weak and useless to obtain righteousness
(Heb 7:18-19),
it has been replaced (1Co 9:20) with the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Mt 22:37-39;
Gal 6:2), and
the law of Christ fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6).

We hear from you over and over how scripture is not for you, it was set aside except what you choose not to set aside.
To you, it is useless, but to those who love the Lord scripture is never useless. To you, when Christ fulfilled and made complete the law,
Christ got rid of all His Father was and is, to people who love the Lord that is not so. You go ahead with how you see it, we will go ahead with loving the Lord.

Sorry, Sis, can't tell if that is a yes or no to my question. . .

 

[cfultz3]

Who in here believes a Christian can be lawless in his/her before God?

 

[Elin]

Who in here believes a Christian can be lawless in his/her before God?

Don't see any raised hands. . .

 

[cfultz3]

Don't see any raised hands. . .

So then, does that mean that the New Covenant does NOT teach against the Law? Could it just be that it teaches a new method?

 

[Flamingspirit]

Who in here believes a Christian can be lawless in his/her before God?

The law is for the lawless. I am dead to it and thus need no law. Only love, and I pray that no matter what I or anyone goes through in their lives, that it grows more and more till it fills the earth!

 

[phil112]

Who in here believes a Christian can be lawless in his/her before God?

I stand before God as I type this and tell you something He already knows: I keep none of the old testament laws, including the ten commandments. And He said that is okay, as long as I obey the two His Son set forth for me.

 

[cfultz3]

The law is for the lawless. I am dead to it and thus need no law. Only love, and I pray that no matter what I or anyone goes through in their lives, that it grows more and more till it fills the earth!

What does love fulfill?

 

[cfultz3]

I stand before God as I type this and tell you something He already knows: I keep none of the old testament laws, including the ten commandments. And He said that is okay, as long as I obey the two His Son set forth for me.

What are we to do with the Law He wrote in our minds/hearts?

 

[cfultz3]

BTW, thank you all for answering...

 

[Elin]

What are we to do with the Law He wrote in our minds/hearts?

The law he wrote in our minds and hearts is the New Covenant law of love (Jer 31:31-34).

We are to obey it. . .starting with loving God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.

If you need any ideas on how to do that, the NT is covered over with them.

 

[psychomom]

Who in here believes a Christian can be lawless in his/her before God?

Hi, Chris. It's good to see you.

May I change the question (whose obvious answer is, not I, though I am not perfectly obedient)
to,
which covenant, as Christians, are we under?

thanks for allowing me to, in a sense, derail you.
~ellie
♥

 

[cfultz3]

The law he wrote in our minds and hearts is the New Covenant law of love (Jer 31:31-34).

We are to obey it. . .starting with loving God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.

If you need any ideas on how to do that, the NT is covered over with them.

Yes, love fulfills God's will.

Love does not offend (sin).
Love does no harm (evil).

Love, all along was God's will. So, therefore, Jesus commands us to love God and others.

Does it not say that neither circumcision (of the Old Covenant) or uncircumcison (not of the Old Covenant) prevails with Jesus Christ EXCEPT active faith through love?

So then, if we love, God's Law is fulfilled not by the flesh, but by the mind/conscious.

Indeed, you speak sweet words.

 

[Flamingspirit]

What does love fulfill?

Whatever law you keep throwing at the children of God. There is no law against forgiveness! Remember I'm dead, that is I know in this flesh death awaits me someday, so I think now as a dead man having crucified the flesh, I can only be grateful now that love has set me free. I judge no man according to appearances. Even David knew that Saul was anointed. Therefore I see all men the same. Dead!

When are we going to try something new? All we do is debate on what day to go to church on, eating pork, what name to use, need I go on? The trinity, what is a Christian, do Muslims and other religions have different gods, is it wrong for tattoos, oh! I can add another one that a group of devout men said was law, that I must have fringes on the end of my shirt!?!

God is going to send me to hell for the wrong shirt! For a God that is from everlasting to everlasting, we make Him to be as petty minded as us!

So instead of trying to constantly say that gays are going to hell, or trying to predict when some temple is going to be built (yeah I can keep going about the disputes), Let us change first what we have the power to change, such as world hunger and homelessness.

If you then feel the need to discuss these things further after that, then be my guest.

 

[cfultz3]

Hi, Chris. It's good to see you.

May I change the question (whose obvious answer is, not I, though I am not perfectly obedient)
to,
which covenant, as Christians, are we under?

thanks for allowing me to, in a sense, derail you.
~ellie
♥

Thank you Ellie Mae

And if I may answer, under the Son's Covenant which the Father SENT Him with to give to us.....As Elin just pointed out in Jeremiah 21:21-24.

Did everyone see that, the Father sent the Son to deliver a NEW COVENANT, by which no one needs to teach another to know God because He has written His Law upon our hearts, a Law which is fulfilled no longer by the effects of the flesh but of the mind, seeing that the spirit do tend to the things of the Spirit.

 

[Flamingspirit]

What are we to do with the Law He wrote in our minds/hearts?

That law was always love. But through our parents and the world given to us by them and the generations before, we have transgressed and forgotten it. We understood it fully as babies. If you are here to debate anything at all, then what you needed before you can even say food were given you when you wanted it. Then, we all knew God.

 

[phil112]

What are we to do with the Law He wrote in our minds/hearts?

Our conscience? You try to make our conscience the same as the written law, and it doesn't fly.
Again, since you clearly are a little slow mentally and need things repeated, if we love as Christ tells us, the law has no application in our lives. Maybe you should write that down on a piece of paper and keep it in your pocket for reference. It would be nice if we didn't have to keep repeating it over and over.

 

[chubbena]

I stand before God as I type this and tell you something He already knows: I keep none of the old testament laws, including the ten commandments. And He said that is okay, as long as I obey the two His Son set forth for me.

Again, to love the Lord is to obey His commandments. Without the love of God no one could keep the commandments. Of course one would never understand if the scripture is not for him and if he ignores what the Son said regarding the bread of life.

 

[cfultz3]

Whatever law you keep throwing at the children of God. There is no law against forgiveness! Remember I'm dead, that is I know in this flesh death awaits me someday, so I think now as a dead man having crucified the flesh, I can only be grateful now that love has set me free. I judge no man according to appearances. Even David knew that Saul was anointed. Therefore I see all men the same. Dead!

When are we going to try something new? All we do is debate on what day to go to church on, eating pork, what name to use, need I go on? The trinity, what is a Christian, do Muslims and other religions have different gods, is it wrong for tattoos, oh! I can add another one that a group of devout men said was law, that I must have fringes on the end of my shirt!?!

God is going to send me to hell for the wrong shirt! For a God that is from everlasting to everlasting, we make Him to be as petty minded as us!

So instead of trying to constantly say that gays are going to hell, or trying to predict when some temple is going to be built (yeah I can keep going about the disputes), Let us change first what we have the power to change, such as world hunger and homelessness.

If you then feel the need to discuss these things further after that, then be my guest.

Perhaps, these people you see disputing are doing their best to feed the hungry and housing the homeless without looking for glory from others.

As I last told you in our last conversation, this world is not utopia, man hungers for himself. Only our very King, when He returns, will turn weapons into blows, will eradicate greed, will rule righteously. Only until then can we, His children, do our best with what we have to give.

 

[cfultz3]

Our conscience? You try to make our conscience the same as the written law, and it doesn't fly.
Again, since you clearly are a little slow mentally and need things repeated, if we love as Christ tells us, the law has no application in our lives. Maybe you should write that down on a piece of paper and keep it in your pocket for reference. It would be nice if we didn't have to keep repeating it over and over.

Phil, where is the love in you?