What does the Law REALLY say?
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Does it have to only be in the epistles to be God's truth?
If you're not even going to take the time to answer my question and provide some actual context from the actual Law itself, it's a waste of my time.
It appears you are either unwilling to, unable to, or are scared to see what God actually said when He gave the Law. If you took the time to read the Law, you would understand what it says. And sadly, it appears (and I hope I'm wrong) that you have no clue what it actually says.
If you're not even going to take the time to answer my question and provide some actual context from the actual Law itself, it's a waste of my time.
It appears you are either unwilling to, unable to, or are scared to see what God actually said when He gave the Law. If you took the time to read the Law, you would understand what it says. And sadly, it appears (and I hope I'm wrong) that you have no clue what it actually says.
Because all of that has to be seen in the light of the words spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
And the first thing we learn is that all those who rely on observing the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10).
You would have us understand the Word of God apart from the revelation of the NT writers spoken in these last days?
You are putting asunder what God has joined, his latter revelation given by the Son,
which casts light on his former revelation given by the prophets of old (Heb 1:1-2),
and which is superior as Jesus is superior to the angels or Moses (Heb 1, 3).
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
And the first thing we learn is that all those who rely on observing the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10).
You would have us understand the Word of God apart from the revelation of the NT writers spoken in these last days?
You are putting asunder what God has joined, his latter revelation given by the Son,
which casts light on his former revelation given by the prophets of old (Heb 1:1-2),
and which is superior as Jesus is superior to the angels or Moses (Heb 1, 3).
We don't "discredit" it. . .God has set it aside (Heb 7:18-19) in favor of justification by faith only.
You don't need to know what the Law "says" in order to understand Heb 7:18-19
that it has been set aside because it was weak and useless to obtain righteousness.
Should I wonder if you have read the NT or have any idea about what it says regarding the Law?
You don't need to know what the Law "says" in order to understand Heb 7:18-19
that it has been set aside because it was weak and useless to obtain righteousness.
I'm beginning to wonder if people have ever read the Law or have any idea what it says.
There is no law of Moses without the curse.
There is only the law of Christ without the curse.
You left out the part about being fulfilled, which Jesus did.
Jesus also never taught that the sacrificial system is abolished (Heb 10:1-4, 10-14),
or that the old covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
Your point is mute.
But what is not mute is your setting the OT against the NT.
And you're saying Heb 7:18-19 is a lie?
You cannot be taken seriously if you do not understand the relationship
between the OT and the NT (Heb 1:1-4, 3:1-6), and set them one against the other.
And those are the commands of Christ in the law of Christ.
There is only the law of Christ without the curse.
You left out the part about being fulfilled, which Jesus did.
Jesus also never taught that the sacrificial system is abolished (Heb 10:1-4, 10-14),
or that the old covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
Your point is mute.
But what is not mute is your setting the OT against the NT.
And you're saying Heb 7:18-19 is a lie?
You cannot be taken seriously if you do not understand the relationship
between the OT and the NT (Heb 1:1-4, 3:1-6), and set them one against the other.
And those are the commands of Christ in the law of Christ.
The way the things get turned around. If you read in Revelation you will find it separates the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. There is a reason they are spoken separately.
Jesus gave us "a`new commandment that we should love one another as He has loved us." Nowhere does He say it rescinds the law. As for the law of Moses with the curse, it only has the curse if you do not accept Jesus Christ. Please do not add to nor take away from the Word of God, for He does not lie.
Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Jesus gave us "a`new commandment that we should love one another as He has loved us." Nowhere does He say it rescinds the law. As for the law of Moses with the curse, it only has the curse if you do not accept Jesus Christ. Please do not add to nor take away from the Word of God, for He does not lie.
Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The Word of God states that God himself made them inseparable when he gave them (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10).
Read the Word of God and believe that God has set aside the Mosaic law
because it was weak and useless to obtain righteousness (Heb 7:18-19),
and we are now under the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:20-21;
Gal 6:2) which fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10).
Read the Word of God and believe that God has set aside the Mosaic law
because it was weak and useless to obtain righteousness (Heb 7:18-19),
and we are now under the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:20-21;
Gal 6:2) which fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10).
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All the physical ordinances and laws as such were done away with because Jesus nailed them to his cross taking them out of the way because they were contrary to us,which means they had no spiritual salvation blessings to them,but all the moral laws including the 10 commandments are still active and never pass away.
The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Love is the fulfilling of the law,which means love people perfectly,which you can only do if you are led by the Spirit,and the physical laws and ordinances has nothing to do with that and to be right with God.
Jesus said the two greatest commandments are to love God and people.
That is all we have to do is love people perfectly and we have fulfilled God's law,which we can only do by the Spirit,which if we are led of the Spirit then we love God perfectly.
As far as the temple of Israel it will be rebuilt and they will go back to animal sacrifices and do it Old Testament style,the physical laws and ordinances,which the man of sin will step in to their temple and tell them to stop animal sacrifices and that he is their God.
The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Love is the fulfilling of the law,which means love people perfectly,which you can only do if you are led by the Spirit,and the physical laws and ordinances has nothing to do with that and to be right with God.
Jesus said the two greatest commandments are to love God and people.
That is all we have to do is love people perfectly and we have fulfilled God's law,which we can only do by the Spirit,which if we are led of the Spirit then we love God perfectly.
As far as the temple of Israel it will be rebuilt and they will go back to animal sacrifices and do it Old Testament style,the physical laws and ordinances,which the man of sin will step in to their temple and tell them to stop animal sacrifices and that he is their God.
Not so.
The Word of God states that Jesus gave us only two commands,
on which hang all the law and the prophets.
These two commands are the law and the prophets.
There are no more.
The Word of God states that the law is fulfilled (accomplished) in Jesus' commands (Ro 13:8-10).
There are no other commands than these two (Mt 22:37-39), for they would be redundant.
That's not what the Word of God states in Dt 27:26.
Please do not say the NT is "adding" to the Word of God,
and please do not take away the NT Word of God, for he does not lie.
I don't do private and uncertain interpretation of prophetic riddles,
because they can be, and are, validly interpret by others to mean things entirely different.
The Word of God states that Jesus gave us only two commands,
on which hang all the law and the prophets.
These two commands are the law and the prophets.
There are no more.
The Word of God states that the law is fulfilled (accomplished) in Jesus' commands (Ro 13:8-10).
There are no other commands than these two (Mt 22:37-39), for they would be redundant.
That's not what the Word of God states in Dt 27:26.
Please do not say the NT is "adding" to the Word of God,
and please do not take away the NT Word of God, for he does not lie.
I don't do private and uncertain interpretation of prophetic riddles,
because they can be, and are, validly interpret by others to mean things entirely different.
I believe you are incorrigable. This is may assessment of your obsession with the subject at hand. You should read what Jesus Christ said to the Apostles in John. There is no personal interpretation of what you are calling a riddle when it comes to the quote from Revelation. It has the coordinating conjunction, and, between which keep the commandment of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. I believe I do my best on the first complete thought, and I know I have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
This is not a riddle, it is spoken in plain words, but you make it a riddle. I must leave you to your own devices for you do not demonstrate any brotherhood or willingness to understand what is true. Good-bye.
This is not a riddle, it is spoken in plain words, but you make it a riddle. I must leave you to your own devices for you do not demonstrate any brotherhood or willingness to understand what is true. Good-bye.
As it is written, it is important for believers to keep the commandments of God and the witness of Jesus Christ. There is no twisiting of the words, they are plaine. Two different instructions in the words.
Rev 12:17 -
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There is no interpretation when we read the words, they are plain. I beg all who believe Jesus Christ to keep the commandments of God and have the witness of Jesus Christ......... It is not a favor it is our due.
Good night from here, and may God bless you who are in Jesus Christ and keep you.
Rev 12:17 -
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There is no interpretation when we read the words, they are plain. I beg all who believe Jesus Christ to keep the commandments of God and have the witness of Jesus Christ......... It is not a favor it is our due.
Good night from here, and may God bless you who are in Jesus Christ and keep you.