What does to believe in/on Christ mean to you?

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luigi

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THE ANTICHRIST CLAMES TO TAKE THE PLACE OF GOD
Good morning bud62,
The Antichrist will take the place of God in many individual's hearts. That, however, does not describe the faith in/on Christ, nor does it describe what the opposite of faith in/on Christ represents.

When someone says they believe in a certain politician, it is understood that that individual believes in what that particular politician is preaching, and not that the politician is a politician, which is obvious.
Likewise, though the devils in Hell are quite aware of who Jesus Christ was and is, and thereby believed Him the son of God, they nevertheless do not believe in what Jesus preached. And what was it that Jesus preached? He preached to love God, who is love, and to love our neighbors as ourselves; to believe in truth, and justice, and all other spiritual qualities that are contrary to the flesh.
The Samaritan in Luke 10 regarded as a gentile, and who never heard of Christ, believed in loving his neighbor, and thus believed in Christ. The priest and the Rabbi on the other hand, who supposedly believed in God; their not believing in loving their neighbor, in their non-deed showed that they truly did not believe in God, who is love.

If then to love my neighbor and cling to spiritual qualities is to have faith in Christ, then to hate my neighbor and cling to fleshly lusts is to not have faith/belief in the Spirit, which is Antichrist.
When 1 John 2:22 describes Antichrist as individuals who deny both Christ and God, what is described are people who deny the teachings of loving our neighbor as the Way in which people should conduct themselves, and instead choose to follow after other Christs (where Christs represent politicians who claim to know the way, but whose proclamations deny God/love as the Way).

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
 

luigi

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IT means that you are to give up all that you know is SIN, IF we choose to sin, when GOD'S WORD says it SIN, WE ARE choosing to be lost, AND that is what this verse tells us,
Hebrews
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Correct, we are to give up all that we are aware of being SIN, and be not conformed to this world and its lusts. Those of us who do are then acceptable to God (Romans 12:1-2), through which God's grace will then lead us towards Salvation.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
 

luigi

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Its speaking of 1 cor 15 . 1-4
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is the basic first step in believing in/on Christ and His gospel, so that we can leave our sins and not be subject to them. The gospel of Christ includes all that Christ taught and preached.
 

tribesman

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#26
It means to only trust and believe in Him for salvation. Not to trust man or self, only the God-man Christ Jesus.

Thanks be to God for the gospel of salvation conditioned solely on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ ALONE!
 

luigi

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If Sin constitutes bad works, then how does repenting and leaving our sins (bad works) behind us constitute any work at all.
As far as I can see it only ceases from doing something wrong, and not doing any good work at all. It's a first step, in order to be acceptable to God, so that His grace may lead us towards salvation.
 

luigi

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It means to only trust and believe in Him for salvation. Not to trust man or self, only the God-man Christ Jesus.

Thanks be to God for the gospel of salvation conditioned solely on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ ALONE!
Yes, it means to trust and believe in only Christ for salvation, and that means to believe in Christs teachings, His Way.
 

CharliRenee

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I'll never, ever, understand the ongoing debate on works. It seem to be a fruitless waste of time. No offense to anyone. I respect your choice to do what you feel compelled or called to do. Choice is another beautiful gift from God.

Of course He created us for good works. Of course because He abounds in Grace, we are able to abound in good works. Yes, Salvation belongs to Him. Yes, faithfulness is counted as righteous. Yes, acknowledging (repenting) in all way how much we need Him is key. Yes dying to self is also a key component of the salvation and the fruits (works). Yes, faith without fruits does not compute, because faith produces fruit. I am thankful because He gives us so much, including a tangible evident ways to examine our hearts, thoughts and actions.

What is salvation and Christ...it is ALL about Him, believing in, focusing on, trusting, depending, abiding, praising, obeying, loving and hoping in Him, all of it....Him Him Him, the Lord of Hosts. Anything contrary is Anti Him, period.
 

Blik

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Not exactly. Did you learn that from the SDA church? Have you turned away from all sinning? Do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time?

Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeól
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Definition: to change one's mind or purpose
Usage: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.
You are saying that if we say we do not want sin in our life we are not saying that, but saying we are sinless. There is not word in that statement about sinlessness, it is you addition to that statement.

In Romans 7:15 to 20 Paul explains that he does what he does not want to do. Paul has repented and does not want to sin. Paul does not say he is sinless because he does not want to sin. If your accusation is correct then Paul is wrong.
 

luigi

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#33
For some it is a fruitless waste of time to repent of their carnal inclinations, as they willfully continue to choose the flesh over the Spirit.
God, however, has commenced shaking the earth, and those things that can be shaken will soon fall away (Hebrews 12:26-27). So what are those things that can be shaken that will fall away? Answer: They are those whose faith does not include the entire Word of faith.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
 

Blik

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Could you provide some Biblical reference to "dipped in THE BLOOD".
Jesus spoke in parables, and gives the holy Spirit to understand the parables. This is like a parable, you need to be baptized in the spirit, and with prayer you will understand.
 

luigi

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Jesus spoke in parables, and gives the holy Spirit to understand the parables. This is like a parable, you need to be baptized in the spirit, and with prayer you will understand.
Yes, with prayer, but also with repenting from my carnal inclinations which are of the devil, will I then be acceptable before the Lord, and the Holy Spirit will then provide me true illumination in understanding that which is spiritual.
 

Dino246

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Jesus spoke in parables, and gives the holy Spirit to understand the parables. This is like a parable, you need to be baptized in the spirit, and with prayer you will understand.
The OT Law prescribed that, for certain practices, a hyssop branch be "dipped in the blood" and the blood sprinkled or spread on certain surfaces. There is, however, no mention in Scripture of the word of God being dipped in the blood as MoTC asserts, in a parable or otherwise. It's a pseudo-biblical concept only.
 

Blik

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The OT Law prescribed that, for certain practices, a hyssop branch be "dipped in the blood" and the blood sprinkled or spread on certain surfaces. There is, however, no mention in Scripture of the word of God being dipped in the blood as MoTC asserts, in a parable or otherwise. It's a pseudo-biblical concept only.
And from the mouth of the almighty Dino, a pseudo-bible concept must never be compared to a parable.
 

mailmandan

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You are saying that if we say we do not want sin in our life we are not saying that, but saying we are sinless. There is not word in that statement about sinlessness, it is you addition to that statement.

In Romans 7:15 to 20 Paul explains that he does what he does not want to do. Paul has repented and does not want to sin. Paul does not say he is sinless because he does not want to sin. If your accusation is correct then Paul is wrong.
There is a difference between striving not to sin yet still occasionally stumbling and actually living a sinless perfect life 100% of the time.
 

Blik

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#40
Post as a Christian and not as someone opposed to any thinking outside of what you have determined as right, be a Christian poster.