What happened to Enoch's body?

[KJV1611]

Your reasoning is circular. You made the following assertion: "Put THESE in front of ALL and it and it's not hyperbolic." That is an argument based on a supposed grammatical principle, and so you need to support it with evidence of the supposed grammatical principle on which it is based.

hy·per·bol·ic | \ ˌhī-pər-ˈbä-lik \
variants: or less commonly hyperbolical \ ˌhī-pər-ˈbä-li-kəl \
Definition of hyperbolic
(Entry 1 of 2)
: of, relating to, or marked by language that exaggerates or overstates the truth : of, relating to, or marked by hyperbole

These are a list of people that - 1) they died, 2) they had faith, 3) they did not receive the promises, 4) they were persuaded of the promises, 5) they embraced the promises, and 6) they confessed they were strangers in the land.

You can't EXAGGERATE only ONE element of a list and call it a hyperbole.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I was just curious how you justified Elijah's body going into heaven when other scripture makes that scenario impossible. That's all, peace.

What's impossible with God?

 

[KJV1611]

What's impossible with God?

God violating his own word.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

God violating his own word.

So that means he can't take someone to heaven to be with him unless they die and leave a corpse here? I don't think he ever made that a rule.

 

[KJV1611]

So that means he can't take someone to heaven to be with him unless they die and leave a corpse here? I don't think he ever made that a rule.

Corruption can't go to heaven, glorified bodies weren't doled out until the resurrection and ABOVE ALL, Hebrews said THESE ALL DIED.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Corruption can't go to heaven, glorified bodies weren't doled out until the resurrection and ABOVE ALL, Hebrews said THESE ALL DIED.

Even Satan presented himself before God, ya ever read Job?
I don't think your perception of what is said is what is actually said.

 

[KJV1611]

Even Satan presented himself before God, ya ever read Job?
I don't think your perception of what is said is what is actually said.

Ok.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Corruption can't go to heaven, glorified bodies weren't doled out until the resurrection and ABOVE ALL, Hebrews said THESE ALL DIED.

Didn't you read what I'd put over in that other thread, about the word in Hebrews 11:5 (re: Enoch) -

G3331 - metathesis - noun - (3x) "[his] translation [noun]"

Definition: a change, removal
Usage: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.



Hebrews 7:12 N-NFS
GRK: καὶ νόμου μετάθεσις γίνεται
NAS: there takes place a change of law
KJV: of necessity a change also of the law.
INT: also of law a change takes place

Hebrews 11:5 N-GFS
GRK: γὰρ τῆς μεταθέσεως μεμαρτύρηται εὐαρεστηκέναι
NAS: that before his being taken up he was pleasing
KJV: his translation he had this testimony,
INT: indeed the taking up he was commended to have well pleased

Hebrews 12:27 N-AFS
GRK: τῶν σαλευομένων μετάθεσιν ὡς πεποιημένων
NAS: denotes the removing of those
KJV: signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken,
INT: of the [things] shaken removing as having been made




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Again, "THESE [G3778] all" speaks only of the ones in vv.8-12, grammatically. (meaning, "these, in particular")

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Corruption can't go to heaven, glorified bodies weren't doled out until the resurrection and ABOVE ALL, Hebrews said THESE ALL DIED.

By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 ESV

Even your precious kjv says that Enoch was translated that he should not see death.

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 KJV

Should not see death = did not die.

 

[KJV1611]

By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 ESV

Even your precious kjv says that Enoch was translated that he should not see death.

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 KJV

Should not see death = did not die.

Should not SEE death = Enoch was translated and his body fell to the ground dead.

We are not our bodies, we are living souls, this earthly body is just a vehicle to experience life in this existence.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Should not SEE death = Enoch was translated and his body fell to the ground dead.

We are not our bodies, we are living souls, this earthly body is just a vehicle to experience life in this existence.

And he was not found = no body left to find.

 

[KJV1611]

And he was not found = no body left to find.

Maybe he fell down a well, maybe a lion devoured his body, I don't know. It's written open ended to test our faith. We are told in the same chapter that all of those people died. The gloried body is part of our inheritance, no one could inherit the inheritance until Christ paid for it.

 

[Dino246]

hy·per·bol·ic | \ ˌhī-pər-ˈbä-lik \
variants: or less commonly hyperbolical \ ˌhī-pər-ˈbä-li-kəl \
Definition of hyperbolic
(Entry 1 of 2)
: of, relating to, or marked by language that exaggerates or overstates the truth : of, relating to, or marked by hyperbole

These are a list of people that - 1) they died, 2) they had faith, 3) they did not receive the promises, 4) they were persuaded of the promises, 5) they embraced the promises, and 6) they confessed they were strangers in the land.

You can't EXAGGERATE only ONE element of a list and call it a hyperbole.

Which advanced English grammar text tells you that?

 

[KJV1611]

Which advanced English grammar text tells you that?

You’re trying to convince me that all is hyperbolic I just showed you how it’s not possible.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Maybe he fell down a well, maybe a lion devoured his body, I don't know. It's written open ended to test our faith. We are told in the same chapter that all of those people died. The gloried body is part of our inheritance, no one could inherit the inheritance until Christ paid for it.

Maybe you need a Bible you can read and understand, or reading comprehension classes. Clearly the exception is Enoch, as it is written that he did not see death.
Anyway this is stupid to argue about.

 

[KJV1611]

Maybe you need a Bible you can read and understand, or reading comprehension classes. Clearly the exception is Enoch, as it is written that he did not see death.
Anyway this is stupid to argue about.

Well why don’t you stop arguing about it.

 

[Dino246]

You’re trying to convince me that all is hyperbolic I just showed you how it’s not possible.

All you did was invent a grammatical principle out of thin air.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Well why don’t you stop arguing about it.

Yes, that was my way of say that I'm done arguing over it.