I don't think the Bible specifically instructs us to celebrate the Jewish festivals. I think I recall it says something along the lines of those who observe the Passover will be blessed or something along those lines. Why not celebrate Passover? Jesus did it. Our church used to do the Passover Seder. I always enjoyed it, I don't know why we stop doing it
What is Easter?
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Ammendment in case anyone is really interested.
In the last posting I mentioned the Torah Laws as being 113. That was a typo should read 613. I can provide a full list but
It would cover a large number of pages. You would probably fall asleep long before you finished reading it. lastly I would probably end up with Carpel syndrome.
In the last posting I mentioned the Torah Laws as being 113. That was a typo should read 613. I can provide a full list but
It would cover a large number of pages. You would probably fall asleep long before you finished reading it. lastly I would probably end up with Carpel syndrome.
Ammendment in case anyone is really interested.
In the last posting I mentioned the Torah Laws as being 113. That was a typo should read 613. I can provide a full list but
It would cover a large number of pages. You would probably fall asleep long before you finished reading it. lastly I would probably end up with Carpel syndrome.
In the last posting I mentioned the Torah Laws as being 113. That was a typo should read 613. I can provide a full list but
It would cover a large number of pages. You would probably fall asleep long before you finished reading it. lastly I would probably end up with Carpel syndrome.
Exodus 12:14 “And this day shall be unto you for [a memorial];
and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations;
ye shall keep it [a feast] by an ordinance [for ever].
a memorial—not a shadow, a memorial—a feast—to be kept forever
A memorial of deliverance from Egypt, which pictures to us deliverance from sin!
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it,
in remembrance of me.
referring back to this...
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat
this passover with you before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not
any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said,
Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine,
until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them,
saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
This cup is [the new testament] in my blood, which is shed for you.
Do what in remembrance of me? They were taking the Passover.
The Passover service also consists of the foot washing...
Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments,
and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet;
ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord;
neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
and then Paul says this...
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast],
not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
And he said that to a Gentile church, to keep the feast of unleavened bread.
Nowhere is a Sunday morning Ishtar sunrise service taught in scripture
but the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are taught.
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Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations;
ye shall keep it [a feast] by an ordinance [for ever].
a memorial—not a shadow, a memorial—a feast—to be kept forever
A memorial of deliverance from Egypt, which pictures to us deliverance from sin!
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it,
in remembrance of me.
referring back to this...
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat
this passover with you before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not
any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said,
Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine,
until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them,
saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
This cup is [the new testament] in my blood, which is shed for you.
Do what in remembrance of me? They were taking the Passover.
The Passover service also consists of the foot washing...
Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments,
and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet;
ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord;
neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
and then Paul says this...
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast],
not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
And he said that to a Gentile church, to keep the feast of unleavened bread.
Nowhere is a Sunday morning Ishtar sunrise service taught in scripture
but the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are taught.
-
Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
Colossians 2:16-17 KJV
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days : [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Passover was a shadow of the real Lamb and unleavened bread is a shadow of the inerrant word of God.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days : [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Passover was a shadow of the real Lamb and unleavened bread is a shadow of the inerrant word of God.
Polycarp
After the death of the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter question with the
bishop of Rome, by then leader of the church started by Simon.
Still later, another disciple of Christ’s true Christianity,
Polycrates, waged a still hotter controversy over the same
Passover-Easter question with another bishop of Rome.
This theological battle was called the Quartodeciman Controversy.
Polycrates contended, as Jesus and the original apostles taught,
that the Passover should be observed in the new Christian form
introduced by Jesus and by the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 11),
using unleavened bread and wine instead of sacrificing a lamb,
on the eve of the 14th Nisan (first month in the sacred calendar,
occurring in the spring).
But [the Rome church] insisted that it be observed on a Sunday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy
Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycrates_of_Ephesus
After the death of the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter question with the
bishop of Rome, by then leader of the church started by Simon.
Still later, another disciple of Christ’s true Christianity,
Polycrates, waged a still hotter controversy over the same
Passover-Easter question with another bishop of Rome.
This theological battle was called the Quartodeciman Controversy.
Polycrates contended, as Jesus and the original apostles taught,
that the Passover should be observed in the new Christian form
introduced by Jesus and by the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 11),
using unleavened bread and wine instead of sacrificing a lamb,
on the eve of the 14th Nisan (first month in the sacred calendar,
occurring in the spring).
But [the Rome church] insisted that it be observed on a Sunday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy
Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycrates_of_Ephesus
Can you explain why [the oracles of God] where given to the new T. church?
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
Do what Paul did?
Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia,
and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue,
the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
-here was A perfect chance to tell gentials not to follow the commandments,
but here he was teaching new gentials on the sabbath, who never before keep it.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews
and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them,
persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together
to hear the word of God.
-why not preach the next day, why wait a whole week before speaking.
Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of
Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side,
where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto
the women which resorted thither.
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Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia,
they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them,
and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
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Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy,
with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart
from Rome and came unto them.
Act 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them,
and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath,
and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
In each case Paul was preaching to Gentiles in Gentile cities on the Sabbath.
it is recorded over 80 times Paul preached to gentials on the sabbath day.
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Acts 12:3
Acts 20:6
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
Do what Paul did?
Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia,
and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue,
the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
-here was A perfect chance to tell gentials not to follow the commandments,
but here he was teaching new gentials on the sabbath, who never before keep it.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews
and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them,
persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together
to hear the word of God.
-why not preach the next day, why wait a whole week before speaking.
Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of
Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side,
where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto
the women which resorted thither.
-
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia,
they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them,
and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
-
Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy,
with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart
from Rome and came unto them.
Act 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them,
and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath,
and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
In each case Paul was preaching to Gentiles in Gentile cities on the Sabbath.
it is recorded over 80 times Paul preached to gentials on the sabbath day.
-
Acts 12:3
Acts 20:6
Paul did not just speak to Gentile Christians. In each city he entered he found a Synagogue and preached in it. Who attended Synagogues Jews of course. Jewish Christians still kept the Law. The fathers Paul spoke to were the Patriarchs
Paul was a Pharisee he remained a Pharisee throughout his life. That is another reason why he attended Synagogues. Their is nothing wrong in a Jewish Christian following the law of Moses because it was given to Israel. Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy when he stopped eating with Gentiles this shows that Jewish Christians still followed the law. But the Jerusalem council in Acts
cited from the Noahic Covenant as to what Gentiles should follow there is no mention of festivals. If they were so important they would have been included but they were not. It is still the view of Judaism today
that Gentiles should follow that covenant. Paul was against those Jewish Christians who tried to force Gentiles to come back under the Mosaic Law and you are trying to do the same. We should not be led by the Spirit of bondage. What you are putting forward is just that. Only Cults like the Jehovah Witnesses and Seventh day Adventists make it compulsory to
follow aspects of the Old Covenant.
Paul was a Pharisee he remained a Pharisee throughout his life. That is another reason why he attended Synagogues. Their is nothing wrong in a Jewish Christian following the law of Moses because it was given to Israel. Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy when he stopped eating with Gentiles this shows that Jewish Christians still followed the law. But the Jerusalem council in Acts
cited from the Noahic Covenant as to what Gentiles should follow there is no mention of festivals. If they were so important they would have been included but they were not. It is still the view of Judaism today
that Gentiles should follow that covenant. Paul was against those Jewish Christians who tried to force Gentiles to come back under the Mosaic Law and you are trying to do the same. We should not be led by the Spirit of bondage. What you are putting forward is just that. Only Cults like the Jehovah Witnesses and Seventh day Adventists make it compulsory to
follow aspects of the Old Covenant.
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I am sorry but you can't separate the two. The word Easter comes from Estroth the northern European goddess of fertility. It was incorporated within the christian theology (small c intended) because of the Roman catholic church (small c intended again) and its using the local deities as a form of control over the indigenous populations that worshipped her.
E.G. a monk would turn up and preach Jesus, the locals would threaten him with execution so he used what they had and incorporated christianity (here is that small c again) into it, it is the "Deeds of the Nicolations" which Jesus said himself he "hates" and that is a strong word.
So in a nut shell it comes from the "Apostasy", where those who profess Christ in form but not with their heart, fought to save their own lives by watering down the word of God to fit in with the world.
There is only one feast we are told to keep and that is the love feast of bread and wine, and doing this reverently as much as possible and examining our hearts and the implications of that feast we celebrate the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross all the time not just once a year.
My kids like chocolate too and we do buy them easter eggs (small e intended), but there is no celebration within the house. we use it to top up their chocolate horde from christmas (small c intended) which we use as a fairytale/childish time that has no relevance to Jesus at all.
(I know I am going to get hammered over this)
E.G. a monk would turn up and preach Jesus, the locals would threaten him with execution so he used what they had and incorporated christianity (here is that small c again) into it, it is the "Deeds of the Nicolations" which Jesus said himself he "hates" and that is a strong word.
So in a nut shell it comes from the "Apostasy", where those who profess Christ in form but not with their heart, fought to save their own lives by watering down the word of God to fit in with the world.
There is only one feast we are told to keep and that is the love feast of bread and wine, and doing this reverently as much as possible and examining our hearts and the implications of that feast we celebrate the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross all the time not just once a year.
My kids like chocolate too and we do buy them easter eggs (small e intended), but there is no celebration within the house. we use it to top up their chocolate horde from christmas (small c intended) which we use as a fairytale/childish time that has no relevance to Jesus at all.
(I know I am going to get hammered over this)
B
These are your words not mine, you asked the questions and I answered. The fact that easter and passover are together and the same time of year is because of the lunar calender and made it possible for those who introduced it to do so.
We are all governed by our own conscience which is in turn subject to the Holy Spirit.
It may or may not come down to the "Freedoms" we have in Christ, but if you want to celebrate easter then go ahead, I will think no worse of you if you do or no better of you if you do not.
Take it to the Lord and see what he says, he lives within you.
We are all governed by our own conscience which is in turn subject to the Holy Spirit.
It may or may not come down to the "Freedoms" we have in Christ, but if you want to celebrate easter then go ahead, I will think no worse of you if you do or no better of you if you do not.
Take it to the Lord and see what he says, he lives within you.
The relationship with your LORD and Savior JESUS CHRIST is what a real CHRISTIAN should focus upon. If it includes actually taking time to observe, ponder, wonder, study, reflect upon all of the awesome events that led up to His crucifixion, and the victorious rising up from His death, so what? What harm will it really do? How can one not be spiritually influenced over this? JESUS will not ask "Did you attend an Easter egg hunt? Will you eat chocolate as a memorial to Me? But, He may ask "Was not my shed blood enough for you?" Nobody can force others to celebrate anything in their lives...it must come from free will, including Salvation...all by total CHOICE. I grew up celebrating various 'church" rituals, like old fashioned Foot Washings, Homecomings, Founders Day, Men's Day, Lent, Lord's Supper, and now, in recent times..."Superbowl Sunday" !!!!! So what? I totally agree with bikerchaz "We are all governed by our own conscience which is in turn subject to the Holy Spirit". Amen, amen!!!!!!!
This debate would have been highly relevant in the time when the conscious worship of Isthar, Tammuzz and the whole pantheon of Gods and Goddesses were competing against Christianity but in 2016 few people actually know about these
Pagan deities let alone worship them so the whole argument is futile and a waste of time.
Pagan deities let alone worship them so the whole argument is futile and a waste of time.