I was not asking all of this just if someone looks at the 10 Commandments and thinks the Most High wants them to live in this manner, are they following a "justified by works" doctirine simply by seeking to live by the 10 Commandments. No motive other than said person thinks they are right and the Most High wants them to live this way.
What is Hebrew Roots?
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John 14:28, “You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
John 5:19-20, “Therefore יהושע responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does. For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all that He Himself does. And greater works than these He is going to show Him, in order that you marvel.”
John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
John 5:19-20, “Therefore יהושע responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does. For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all that He Himself does. And greater works than these He is going to show Him, in order that you marvel.”
John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”
To deny the Father IS denying the Son, just as denying the Son is denying the Father.
What I am posting is in scripture, it isn't from me. If you will read Romans 5 to 8 you will find that when we identify with Christ and his death and resurrection we die to sin. At that time God puts His spirit within us. It is God's spirit we live by. The commandments are not sufficient as our guide. God's spirit is.
What I am posting is in scripture, it isn't from me. If you will read Romans 5 to 8 you will find that when we identify with Christ and his death and resurrection we die to sin. At that time God puts His spirit within us. It is God's spirit we live by. The commandments are not sufficient as our guide. God's spirit is.
No man is justified by anything other than faith in the Salvation by Jesus Christ crucified.
No one can say he is saved while living in sin as a life style.
Contradiction? To some it is because sin is breaking the law, and they believe we
need no longer adhere to the wisdom of our Fathe by means of Christ's teaching.
Yes, mercy and grace only are the salvation of any and all, but not if useed as an
excuse to trample the Blood shed for us.
Juses fulfilled amost all of the 613 laws, but they were not destroyed, they had
to be fulfileld, and that He does.
He also commands we are to continue with the laws…….how? Learn from Him directly;
I have drawn out how and why so many times and no one has come back to tell me
I have contradicted Jesus, nor hae they affirmed His teaching.
We are to obey according to Jesus Christ, and as best we are able just as Jesus Christ did
for us, otherwise everyone will see nothing but hypocrisy in all who teach agains Jesus Christ¡'s
teaching.
The truth is sssthey are spotted a mile away, even by on-believers who know just a little bit
about Jesus. Most of them woud probably know a lot more about Him if they were not turned off
by the myriad of PHarisees in the spotlight.
No one can say he is saved while living in sin as a life style.
Contradiction? To some it is because sin is breaking the law, and they believe we
need no longer adhere to the wisdom of our Fathe by means of Christ's teaching.
Yes, mercy and grace only are the salvation of any and all, but not if useed as an
excuse to trample the Blood shed for us.
Juses fulfilled amost all of the 613 laws, but they were not destroyed, they had
to be fulfileld, and that He does.
He also commands we are to continue with the laws…….how? Learn from Him directly;
I have drawn out how and why so many times and no one has come back to tell me
I have contradicted Jesus, nor hae they affirmed His teaching.
We are to obey according to Jesus Christ, and as best we are able just as Jesus Christ did
for us, otherwise everyone will see nothing but hypocrisy in all who teach agains Jesus Christ¡'s
teaching.
The truth is sssthey are spotted a mile away, even by on-believers who know just a little bit
about Jesus. Most of them woud probably know a lot more about Him if they were not turned off
by the myriad of PHarisees in the spotlight.
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I was wondering why certain people on CC and other Christian Forums wrote "God" as "G-d," but after reading this article below on the Hebrew Roots Movement, I now see why. - https://answersingenesis.org/presuppositions/dangers-hebrew-roots-movement/
It is not unusual to see some HRM (Hebrew Roots Movement) proponents give themselves Hebrew names, identify as Torah observant, write “God” as “G-d,” eat only kosher foods, claim that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew (or at least several books were), condemn numerous Christian traditions as pagan, and dismiss teachings from Paul’s epistles.
More and more I am becoming aware of the growing dangers of the Hebrew Roots Movement!
It is not unusual to see some HRM (Hebrew Roots Movement) proponents give themselves Hebrew names, identify as Torah observant, write “God” as “G-d,” eat only kosher foods, claim that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew (or at least several books were), condemn numerous Christian traditions as pagan, and dismiss teachings from Paul’s epistles.
More and more I am becoming aware of the growing dangers of the Hebrew Roots Movement!
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well you and the Roots gang make a stand against scripture so
hello anti-God I guess
you are being ridiculous in your attempt to elevate Hebrew Roots above the Bible
you wish to go back to Mt Sinai? I'll buy your ticket and you can wait for the thunder and lightning but I don't think Moses is going to redo that gig...and certainly not God
the true church are those who are IN Christ...the redeemed and the sanctified, not those who want to pick and choose what laws they want to follow to appear more righteous than those who are saved by FAITH
apparently you do not understand that FAITH has always been the way of salvation from Genesis to Revelation
and Hebrew Roots is only too happy to teach you that.
do you believe Paul is a man called by God or do you ignore his letter? many Hebrew Roots groups ignore Paul because he puts a stick in the little grinding wheels of their self righteousness
have you ripped Galatians out of your Bible yet? or does Hebrew Roots have their own version...like the Jehovah's Witnesses
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oh dear
do you know the penalty for bearing false witness in the OT?
no one has denied God or Christ or the Holy Spirit here
you are spinning a red herring net because you CANNOT respond to simple questions without backing down off your Roots nonsense
Roots does not live by the Spirit of God. and you sound more like someone put an accusatory spirit in you...saying people are acting from demonic control if they oppose you and your beliefs
Roots says it lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God...but they do so in Pharisee style...they add to it and put burdens on people that Christ has set us free from and they deny that salvation is by faith while saying they believe it but then go about keeping this and that OT celebration and Sabbath worship etc, which no one cares...go ahead and do it...but the problem that arises, is they also condemn those who do not likewise because they are wrapped up in works
this stuff is sickening and a lie straight from the father of all lies
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So many have the veil of Moses yet over their eyes when reading, not the law alone, but all of the Word.
Denying our spiritual forefathers were Hebrew by including all who know they were in with a sect is just petty and immature, no care, no thought.
Against such there is no manner of exchange.
Denying our spiritual forefathers were Hebrew by including all who know they were in with a sect is just petty and immature, no care, no thought.
Against such there is no manner of exchange.
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it really is very simple. there are 2 ways into the Kingdom. 2 only. perfectly keep the Law, or accept Christ and His Righteousness .
Hebrew roots, s.d.a. , etc. offer a non-existence 3rd option- accept Christ as Messiah, and keep the Law/Sabbath,
so one attempting to do this does not trust Christ nor perfectly keep the Law. so, sadly, such will miss the Kingdom.
Hebrew roots, s.d.a. , etc. offer a non-existence 3rd option- accept Christ as Messiah, and keep the Law/Sabbath,
so one attempting to do this does not trust Christ nor perfectly keep the Law. so, sadly, such will miss the Kingdom.
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Misguided teachers of the law in the Hebrew Roots movement (and especially SDA's) play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, yet they redefine this in a way that is contrary to the gospel. Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their plan of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Here is a statement below from a former member of CC who is SDA that is a good example of perverting the gospel.
"There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."
Here is a statement below from a former member of CC who is SDA that is a good example of perverting the gospel.
"There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."
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This is an interesting thought and I agree. Furthermore, this same Lord gave us exactly what the demon would do to deceive. I find this whole topic fascinating, and revealing as well.
Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
I find it amazing that in this example for our admonition God shows us the deceiver will first work to convince us he knows God. And will use HIS WORDS. Not all of them mind you, but parts of them. And of course a perfect deceiver would try and look righteous in man's eyes. It is also confirmed later in His Word that the deceiver disguises itself as "Ministers of Righteousness".
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
This is telling as well. God had said not to do something, and if she did she would die. But the serpent's first directive was to convince her she would not die. She is already saved. She is already good to go. Well that is good news isn't it. It's little wonder she was taken in by that preaching.
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject His Instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
This is the main theme of the deceiver. To convince people in the Lord's Name, using some of the Lord's Word, That the God of the Bible doesn't care about you. That He created unjust Laws that will keep you blind, burdened, Laws that are "against" you. And that you can only be "FREE" if you reject God's unjust Laws and follow the religious, good looking, reasonable sounding instructions of the deceiver, who has disguised itself as a Minister of Light.
I believe the Christ had this written so those who are truly seeking Him, and not just a defense for their religious traditions, will see how the deceiver will "Deceive the whole World" and put on the Armor God created to protect us from the its "wiles".
I don't know much about HR, I didn't know they existed until I heard about them on this forum. But of they are into scripture for the purpose of creating doctrine, as opposed to defending religious lifestyles, then that can't be bad in my opinion.
Great Post Blik.
Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
I find it amazing that in this example for our admonition God shows us the deceiver will first work to convince us he knows God. And will use HIS WORDS. Not all of them mind you, but parts of them. And of course a perfect deceiver would try and look righteous in man's eyes. It is also confirmed later in His Word that the deceiver disguises itself as "Ministers of Righteousness".
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
This is telling as well. God had said not to do something, and if she did she would die. But the serpent's first directive was to convince her she would not die. She is already saved. She is already good to go. Well that is good news isn't it. It's little wonder she was taken in by that preaching.
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject His Instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
This is the main theme of the deceiver. To convince people in the Lord's Name, using some of the Lord's Word, That the God of the Bible doesn't care about you. That He created unjust Laws that will keep you blind, burdened, Laws that are "against" you. And that you can only be "FREE" if you reject God's unjust Laws and follow the religious, good looking, reasonable sounding instructions of the deceiver, who has disguised itself as a Minister of Light.
I believe the Christ had this written so those who are truly seeking Him, and not just a defense for their religious traditions, will see how the deceiver will "Deceive the whole World" and put on the Armor God created to protect us from the its "wiles".
I don't know much about HR, I didn't know they existed until I heard about them on this forum. But of they are into scripture for the purpose of creating doctrine, as opposed to defending religious lifestyles, then that can't be bad in my opinion.
Great Post Blik.
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That is one opinion. But if you look at ALL the scriptures which the Christ said to do, you will find it was the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time who had corrupted the Word's of God. Rejected volumes of Old Testament and creating their own religion.
When the Christ came with His Disciples they were the movement of that time to return to the Word of God.
Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Paul taught from the OT scriptures and these religious leaders of their time tried to silence him.
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
The Pharisees had corrupted God's word, but the Christ and His Disciples were there to restore it.
Rom. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Matt. 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
It's interesting to note that the interruption of the Mainstream Religious traditions of that time cause a lot of anger and scorn also.
I would say that the Christ led a movement similar to the HR movement to expose religious traditions which didn't come from the scriptures.
The mainstream preachers killed Him for it. I can expect the same kind of anger would come from exposing religious traditions of men in these days as well Not to mention the Christ said it would.
Interesting topic for sure.
When the Christ came with His Disciples they were the movement of that time to return to the Word of God.
Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Paul taught from the OT scriptures and these religious leaders of their time tried to silence him.
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
The Pharisees had corrupted God's word, but the Christ and His Disciples were there to restore it.
Rom. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Matt. 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
It's interesting to note that the interruption of the Mainstream Religious traditions of that time cause a lot of anger and scorn also.
I would say that the Christ led a movement similar to the HR movement to expose religious traditions which didn't come from the scriptures.
The mainstream preachers killed Him for it. I can expect the same kind of anger would come from exposing religious traditions of men in these days as well Not to mention the Christ said it would.
Interesting topic for sure.
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many of these groups skirt around NT teaching by omitting the letters of Paul
and they will quote Jesus but not in keeping with the New Covenant
and they get very defensive and hostile if you point that out to them
they will also use Hebrew names and spelling...I do believe they think all this brings them to a higher level than you or I calling Jesus, Jesus or spelling God like this rather than like this G-D
there are some so extreme they change the spelling on all the names
and they will quote Jesus but not in keeping with the New Covenant
and they get very defensive and hostile if you point that out to them
they will also use Hebrew names and spelling...I do believe they think all this brings them to a higher level than you or I calling Jesus, Jesus or spelling God like this rather than like this G-D
there are some so extreme they change the spelling on all the names
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Galatians 4:21-25
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
The original Hebrew people made a mistake by rejecting Grace. People who go back to this Hebrew Roots make the same mistake.
But they don't know it. Those that desire to be under the law do not hear the law. If they did they wouldn't desire to be under it.
Interesting that the OP brings up demons. It shouldn't be surprising that the enemy uses just a little bit of truth mixed in with their lies.
You've got to admire this strategy, really. Only someone who has been to Christ can really spot the error of the Hebrew Roots philosophy.
Those who have not been to Christ still have the vail over their heart and mind and are vulnerable to the half truth/half lie that is espoused. These are people who have heard the good word of the gospel but it doesn't grow in the good ground of the prepared heart.
Mark 4:14-15
14 The sower soweth the word.
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
The original Hebrew people made a mistake by rejecting Grace. People who go back to this Hebrew Roots make the same mistake.
But they don't know it. Those that desire to be under the law do not hear the law. If they did they wouldn't desire to be under it.
Interesting that the OP brings up demons. It shouldn't be surprising that the enemy uses just a little bit of truth mixed in with their lies.
You've got to admire this strategy, really. Only someone who has been to Christ can really spot the error of the Hebrew Roots philosophy.
Those who have not been to Christ still have the vail over their heart and mind and are vulnerable to the half truth/half lie that is espoused. These are people who have heard the good word of the gospel but it doesn't grow in the good ground of the prepared heart.
Mark 4:14-15
14 The sower soweth the word.
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
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I have responded to 7 Seas. His post is in black, mine is underlined.
]well you and the Roots gang make a stand against scripture so
hello anti-God I guessI am making a stand for scripture, all of it.
you are being ridiculous in your attempt to elevate Hebrew Roots above the Bible. I am elevating the bible above the false beliefs started by man.
you wish to go back to Mt Sinai? I'll buy your ticket and you can wait for the thunder and lightning but I don't think Moses is going to redo that gig...and certainly not God. Mt Sinai is in scripture, so I learn from it. I do not find any scripture telling me to not "go back" to scripture.
the true church are those who are IN Christ...the redeemed and the sanctified, not those who want to pick and choose what laws they want to follow to appear more righteous than those who are saved by FAITH. apparently you do not understand that FAITH has always been the way of salvation from Genesis to Revelation. You are correct about faith, we can have faith in all scripture tells us.
and Hebrew Roots is only too happy to teach you that. The idea of "Hebrew Roots" is to have faith in all of scripture, and to work at understanding its message.
do you believe Paul is a man called by God or do you ignore his letter? many Hebrew Roots groups ignore Paul because he puts a stick in the little grinding wheels of their self righteousness. Yes, Paul was called by God to be the apostle to the gentiles. He was a Jewish Hebrew Rabbi, and God used all his talents.
have you ripped Galatians out of your Bible yet? or does Hebrew Roots have their own version...like the Jehovah's Witnesses. If I ripped out any message the bible fives then it is not a policy of Hebrew Roots. If you actually think that the book of Galatians teaches anything different from the rest of scripture you will have to show me for I do not believe that.
]well you and the Roots gang make a stand against scripture so
hello anti-God I guess
I am making a stand for scripture, all of it.you are being ridiculous in your attempt to elevate Hebrew Roots above the Bible. I am elevating the bible above the false beliefs started by man.
you wish to go back to Mt Sinai? I'll buy your ticket and you can wait for the thunder and lightning but I don't think Moses is going to redo that gig...and certainly not God. Mt Sinai is in scripture, so I learn from it. I do not find any scripture telling me to not "go back" to scripture.
the true church are those who are IN Christ...the redeemed and the sanctified, not those who want to pick and choose what laws they want to follow to appear more righteous than those who are saved by FAITH. apparently you do not understand that FAITH has always been the way of salvation from Genesis to Revelation. You are correct about faith, we can have faith in all scripture tells us.
and Hebrew Roots is only too happy to teach you that. The idea of "Hebrew Roots" is to have faith in all of scripture, and to work at understanding its message.
do you believe Paul is a man called by God or do you ignore his letter? many Hebrew Roots groups ignore Paul because he puts a stick in the little grinding wheels of their self righteousness. Yes, Paul was called by God to be the apostle to the gentiles. He was a Jewish Hebrew Rabbi, and God used all his talents.
have you ripped Galatians out of your Bible yet? or does Hebrew Roots have their own version...like the Jehovah's Witnesses. If I ripped out any message the bible fives then it is not a policy of Hebrew Roots. If you actually think that the book of Galatians teaches anything different from the rest of scripture you will have to show me for I do not believe that.
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