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In response to WKK..
Please keep in mind that anger does not equal hate. One can, (especially God) be angry and still love the person you are angry with.
As far as God being angry and vengeful, I believe that the word vengeful, in its proper context here, is not meant as a negative ( ie REvenge) but as a term of discipline, or even as a term of justice (as in God will punish sin)
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me..." Deut 5:9
And yes, our God is a jealous God. He will not accept sharing praise with another god.
"Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Ex 34; 14
Having jealousy as an emotion may not be a bad thing. We think of jealousy as a negative emotion, reserved for those poeple that struggle with insecurity issues. Jealousy has its place as a valid emotion, but we as human beings have distorted jealousy from its proper use into a tool of manipulation borne from insecurity. Here is a healthy example of jealousy-
A wife has a lunch date with an old friend (male) alone. Husband expresses his concerns about her going for lunch with a male friend. He has a valid concern, and has expressed his jealousy in a healthy way. If wife decides to continue on with the lunch date, then there will be damage to the relationship.
Our God is a jealous God and he will punish sin. For example, if we decide to damage our relationship with him by worshipping false gods then we have brought upon ourselves his vengence (or retribution, or judgement or how ever you want to translate it).
Hope this helps.
Please keep in mind that anger does not equal hate. One can, (especially God) be angry and still love the person you are angry with.
As far as God being angry and vengeful, I believe that the word vengeful, in its proper context here, is not meant as a negative ( ie REvenge) but as a term of discipline, or even as a term of justice (as in God will punish sin)
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me..." Deut 5:9
And yes, our God is a jealous God. He will not accept sharing praise with another god.
"Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Ex 34; 14
Having jealousy as an emotion may not be a bad thing. We think of jealousy as a negative emotion, reserved for those poeple that struggle with insecurity issues. Jealousy has its place as a valid emotion, but we as human beings have distorted jealousy from its proper use into a tool of manipulation borne from insecurity. Here is a healthy example of jealousy-
A wife has a lunch date with an old friend (male) alone. Husband expresses his concerns about her going for lunch with a male friend. He has a valid concern, and has expressed his jealousy in a healthy way. If wife decides to continue on with the lunch date, then there will be damage to the relationship.
Our God is a jealous God and he will punish sin. For example, if we decide to damage our relationship with him by worshipping false gods then we have brought upon ourselves his vengence (or retribution, or judgement or how ever you want to translate it).
Hope this helps.
R
It would be interesting to see what the original text was, and to see what the original text actually meant. Often it is difficult to translate the text literally and the original word or phrase may not have a reiable English, or Portugese equivalent, so the translators are forced to use what their knowledge tells them is the best phrase. I suspect that the original probably meant something like "an energetic, protective love" which both the words "jealous" and "zealous" fit into
Anyone out there know what the original text was or may have been for this verse?
Anyone out there know what the original text was or may have been for this verse?
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zealous means engagedness. When you look at the context of the verse you would see that in those times God was so angry with the Israelites who turned to other gods, gods that are created by man with their own hands. "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..-Exo 20:4-5
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cause when you say that love is sacrifice to you ...
for me love is good, and i accept it as that not as sacrifice, so..what do i mean with this:
with that expression, it seems more that you love not willingly but painfully. i love gladly and do it willingly.
have you got what i meant when i didn't agree with your expression?(love is sacrifice?). hope so
for me love is good, and i accept it as that not as sacrifice, so..what do i mean with this:
with that expression, it seems more that you love not willingly but painfully. i love gladly and do it willingly.
have you got what i meant when i didn't agree with your expression?(love is sacrifice?). hope so
But i dont think we are after meanings but what love is?
And bible been our centre of attention, i do think twistedlinen has a point about sacrifice. Its evident the bible said "for God soo loved the world that He gave...". He sacrificed his own coz of Love.
Thats a defination becoz love is soooo wide if u were to explain it but doesnt mean whenever you post an explanation doesnt mean that the only meaning.
Give room to all post. I can say love is collective, I cant love someone and dont collect him/her. Love is not selfish...... so many but we were to get educated by everyones post not question posts.
And bible been our centre of attention, i do think twistedlinen has a point about sacrifice. Its evident the bible said "for God soo loved the world that He gave...". He sacrificed his own coz of Love.
Thats a defination becoz love is soooo wide if u were to explain it but doesnt mean whenever you post an explanation doesnt mean that the only meaning.
Give room to all post. I can say love is collective, I cant love someone and dont collect him/her. Love is not selfish...... so many but we were to get educated by everyones post not question posts.
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...and i didn't said otherwise about love and sacrifice. have you read all of my psts and her posts?
i guess she didn't understand a word i said.
never said that sacrifice doesn't come with love, if needed.
just told this
i guess you'll understand)
i love my momma though i never had to sacrifice for her in any circumstance so far.
that's the reason why i tried to separate both concepts.
i even said it in aprevious post in kind of a joke that Love is not tliterally sacrfice, (not quite as she said, she said that love IS sacrifice),cause i got what she meat, when she said that "love is sacrifice".
but she had to disagree(don't know why), when i said this: love can be so strong in us that we would sacrifice for that love (by this i mean: we would pass trough many things, just for the love of that person in question, like Jesus did in the cross).
now she's calling me shallow?
why? i didnt started this!..
just tried to put some light on her head about what i said, just that she got so mad that she can't understand a word i say, and still i don't know why..i don't contradict anything shes sayin.. i'm just separating love and sacrifice..doesn't mean one thing doesn't lead to another though
i guess she didn't understand a word i said.
never said that sacrifice doesn't come with love, if needed.
just told this
i guess you'll understand)i love my momma though i never had to sacrifice for her in any circumstance so far.
that's the reason why i tried to separate both concepts.
i even said it in aprevious post in kind of a joke that Love is not tliterally sacrfice, (not quite as she said, she said that love IS sacrifice),cause i got what she meat, when she said that "love is sacrifice".
but she had to disagree(don't know why), when i said this: love can be so strong in us that we would sacrifice for that love (by this i mean: we would pass trough many things, just for the love of that person in question, like Jesus did in the cross).
now she's calling me shallow?
why? i didnt started this!..
just tried to put some light on her head about what i said, just that she got so mad that she can't understand a word i say, and still i don't know why..i don't contradict anything shes sayin.. i'm just separating love and sacrifice..doesn't mean one thing doesn't lead to another though
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