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if I sacrifice, painful it may be, does not mean i didn't do it willingly. The will and the sacrifice could go together 
this one?:
"yeah i get what you mean, we sacrifice for love..but love is not literally sacrifice but i get what you mean :s :s
it's just that love is not a sacrifice to me. i love because i want to...and i sacrifice because i want to. and if we love someone or many we sacrifice for that love."
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you dont love your momma at all.
that's sad for you.
or are you just beeing stupid?
let me then explain you what is the connection one can make beetween love and scrifice:
Jesus Loves us right?
did he had to make any sacrifice until he came?
obviously the answer is no.
and you know what?
i didn't had to make any sacrifice for my mom until now, just as Jesus didn't.
remember it was only necessary for Jesus sacrifice at around the year 0.
seems pretty clear to me that is not allways needed to make sacrifice for other persons.
now, after this (my) post if you don't understand what i was meaning in this entire Topic,
i'll start to ignore you.
cause really one thing is for sure you are here just to pick a fight or you're just simply beeing stupid.
T
First of all if I came here to pick a fight I should just have replied to your posts. but the thing is my first post in this topic is my stand for the question, then you came and counterattack my post, then I tried to defend my stand. and now you're calling me stupid? who then is trying to pick a fight? anyway I'll try to explain my side for the last time. this will be my last post for this thread.
If you read the bible, through and through you would see how God sacrifice a lot for his people. In the OT how many times the Israelites turn their back to God beside everything God has done to them. NT is very evident on the sacrificial love of God. Loving the unloveable, that itself is a sacrifice. The endless commands like love your enemy, pray for those who persecute you, bear each other's burdens.. those are sacrifice. Now if you think you're deserving of God's grace and mercy, then you can say that love needed no sacrifice at all.
If you read the bible, through and through you would see how God sacrifice a lot for his people. In the OT how many times the Israelites turn their back to God beside everything God has done to them. NT is very evident on the sacrificial love of God. Loving the unloveable, that itself is a sacrifice. The endless commands like love your enemy, pray for those who persecute you, bear each other's burdens.. those are sacrifice. Now if you think you're deserving of God's grace and mercy, then you can say that love needed no sacrifice at all.
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"If you read the bible, through and through you would see how God sacrifice a lot for his people. In the OT how many times the Israelites turn their back to God beside everything God has done to them."
now this makes me laugh(what you said) let's see:
if you haven't noticed in the old testament:
God is forgiving israellites everytime they turn their back, and afterwards reconcilling with God.
that is called Gd's Mercy not sacrifice.
"Loving the unloveable, that itself is a sacrifice."
another one that makes me laugh:
again.. that is not sacrifice.
that's loving more than what you know in this world
"The endless commands like love your enemy, pray for those who persecute you, bear each other's burdens.. "
now this one you almost got it all right, cause it can get confusing..
-love your enemy? i wouldn't do that with sacrifice. i would do it gladly (hipothetically cause that's real hard)
-pray for those who persecute you? i wouldn't do that with sacrifice. i already do it gladly and not with sacrifice
bear each other's burdens? now if you do this with sacrifice. no one would surelly trust you to share any personnal sad story of them.
strangely as it may seem you didn't mentioned the only sacrifice that God made for US!
and that's the crucifixion of Jesus! plus some other things, but mainly the Cross
remember the post where you got so mad at me for daring your ego?
it goes like this:
"Re: What Is Love?
yeah i get what you mean, we sacrifice for love..but love is not literally sacrifice but i get what you mean :s :s
it's just that love is not a sacrifice to me. i love because i want to...and i sacrifice because i want to. and if we love someone or many we sacrifice for that love."
now that you are leaving and i'm glad,
can you ask yourself the question?
what part didn't I understand that what nio said doesn't contradict my definition for love?(love is sacrifice).
bye bye
now this makes me laugh(what you said) let's see:
if you haven't noticed in the old testament:
God is forgiving israellites everytime they turn their back, and afterwards reconcilling with God.
that is called Gd's Mercy not sacrifice.
"Loving the unloveable, that itself is a sacrifice."
another one that makes me laugh:
again.. that is not sacrifice.
that's loving more than what you know in this world
"The endless commands like love your enemy, pray for those who persecute you, bear each other's burdens.. "
now this one you almost got it all right, cause it can get confusing..
-love your enemy? i wouldn't do that with sacrifice. i would do it gladly (hipothetically cause that's real hard)
-pray for those who persecute you? i wouldn't do that with sacrifice. i already do it gladly and not with sacrifice
bear each other's burdens? now if you do this with sacrifice. no one would surelly trust you to share any personnal sad story of them.
strangely as it may seem you didn't mentioned the only sacrifice that God made for US!
and that's the crucifixion of Jesus! plus some other things, but mainly the Cross
remember the post where you got so mad at me for daring your ego?
it goes like this:
"Re: What Is Love?
yeah i get what you mean, we sacrifice for love..but love is not literally sacrifice but i get what you mean :s :s
it's just that love is not a sacrifice to me. i love because i want to...and i sacrifice because i want to. and if we love someone or many we sacrifice for that love."
now that you are leaving and i'm glad,
can you ask yourself the question?
what part didn't I understand that what nio said doesn't contradict my definition for love?(love is sacrifice).
bye bye
T
I said it would be my last post but I can't help it.. You didn't get it at all.. ya i think it's better for me not to talk to you we'll never get to understand each other.. hahaha
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hahahaha!! my bad.. i shouldn't even tried to retaliate any of your posts, it was useless... anyway peace bro!! it was still nice talking with you in a bit in these boring days of mine..
God bless
let's just agree to disagree
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hahahaha!! my bad.. i shouldn't even tried to retaliate any of your posts, it was useless... anyway peace bro!! it was still nice talking with you in a bit in these boring days of mine..
God bless
let's just agree to disagree
N
I said it would be my last post but I can't help it.. You didn't get it at all.. ya i think it's better for me not to talk to you we'll never get to understand each other.. hahaha
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hahahaha!! my bad.. i shouldn't even tried to retaliate any of your posts, it was useless... anyway peace bro!! it was still nice talking with you in a bit in these boring days of mine..
God bless
let's just agree to disagree
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hahahaha!! my bad.. i shouldn't even tried to retaliate any of your posts, it was useless... anyway peace bro!! it was still nice talking with you in a bit in these boring days of mine..
God bless
let's just agree to disagree
bye bye
N
Love is a fire that burns unseen,
a wound that aches yet isn’t felt,
an always discontent contentment,
a pain that rages without hurting,
a longing for nothing but to long,
a loneliness in the midst of people,
a never feeling pleased when pleased,
a passion that gains when lost in thought.
It’s being enslaved of your own free will;
it’s counting your defeat a victory;
it’s staying loyal to your killer.
But if it’s so self-contradictory,
how can Love, when Love chooses,
bring human hearts into sympathy?
the english version....
a wound that aches yet isn’t felt,
an always discontent contentment,
a pain that rages without hurting,
a longing for nothing but to long,
a loneliness in the midst of people,
a never feeling pleased when pleased,
a passion that gains when lost in thought.
It’s being enslaved of your own free will;
it’s counting your defeat a victory;
it’s staying loyal to your killer.
But if it’s so self-contradictory,
how can Love, when Love chooses,
bring human hearts into sympathy?
the english version....
N
again it got incomplete but now i think i know what's the bug..
His name was Luis de Camoes
and he made this poem in 1598.
for the link to where there's a portuguese and english version as well of the poem(in the form of a sonnet):
http://portugal.poetryinternationalweb.org/piw_cms/cms/cms_module/index.php?obj_id=8436
His name was Luis de Camoes
and he made this poem in 1598.
for the link to where there's a portuguese and english version as well of the poem(in the form of a sonnet):
http://portugal.poetryinternationalweb.org/piw_cms/cms/cms_module/index.php?obj_id=8436
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