What is Scripture?

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Runningman

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When it comes to 'feelings', I am a bit odd in that I don't consider my feelings a part of the equation. Just another typical evasive gaslighting attempt to seem I have the problem when you have the problem. I don't think you appreciate just how bad your assumptions are and normally by now, I would leave you to it, but you are saying the NT is NOT scripture.

From your op:

Nowadays, Christians revere the New Testament as scripture, but in the early church there is no Biblical evidence Paul’s epistles were recognized as scripture.

Also you:
The fact is that the Bible never actually confirms the New Testament is scripture. That’s just a fact.

Artful dodge though.
Okay good I don’t have any feelings on the matter either except joy.

I am not saying my personal perspective is that the New Testament isn’t scripture to Christians in the modern day; my OP says the exact opposite.

I am just saying that Paul’s letters weren’t recognized as scripture when they were written according to the Bible. Peter called Paul’s letters just letters. I don’t have a problem with that.

You seem eager to assign me as some sinister person possessed by an unclean spirit of sorts. You don’t really seem unemotional to be honest. You seem delusional and chasing ghosts. No offense but that’s just my perspective on the outside looking in.
 

Polar

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Paul’s writings are referred to as epistles or letters, not scripture.
Also you from your post #6

Paul’s writings are referred to as epistles or letters, not scripture.

and you again from post #7

It’s evidence that Paul’s letters were referred to just that: letters.

Since Paul wrote almost half the NT, and you do not think what he wrote should be included, it seems you could one of those people who do not accept Paul as an Apostle called by Christ and you do not consider what he wrote to be inspired and therefore it should not be in our Bibles.

You can play catch up with yourself as much as you want, but the proof of what you really think is already there and ready to read.
 

Polar

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You seem eager to assign me as some sinister person possessed by an unclean spirit of sorts. You don’t really seem unemotional to be honest. You seem delusional and chasing ghosts. No offense but that’s just my perspective on the outside looking in.
You seem to fancy yourself a mind reader or a prophet of some sort with the gift of looking into other people's hearts and determining their reasoning. My only inspiration here, is to point out your error and deny your conclusion that the NT is not actual scripture.

As for your intentional insults, well, duly noted. I understand you better now.

You have clearly defined what Paul wrote as 'only letters', not scripture and not inspired.

Do you accept that we are warned in scripture that there are many 'teaching' spirits at work who deceive and lead people astray and cause some to think they are inspired by God and it is not God? This is in scripture and you can find how they work in the OT as well.

You seem eager to assign me as some sinister person possessed by an unclean spirit of sorts.
Your definition of possession is wrong but that's another thread. As it is, you could be influenced.
 

Runningman

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What extra Biblical source?

An etymological dictionary that shows the origin of the word "scripture"?

It means "a writing", and that is precisely what the word "graphe", which is translated as "scripture" in the Bible, means as well.

Oh, bad, bad me.

Seriously, wake up.

I also mentioned how the Bible adds the variable of scripture being inspired by God while showing you that Paul and John were clearly both inspired by God.

I additionally showed you how Paul's words were considered by the early church to be "the word of God" and "the commandments of the Lord".

Seriously, just repent.
Uh no I don’t need to repent of anything at the moment. You’re the one who should be tending to his spiritual status rather than spreading falsehoods on the Internet and making serious charges against the Spirit within people. Your words are that I’m inspired by Satan after I used my OP to prove the NT doesn’t call itself scripture.

What’s worse, your charges against me are completely false. I believe the NT is scripture. Really you seem to create problems every time you talk to me. I respected you a few weeks ago, now I am totally at a loss if you are even a brother. You have no humility or respect. At minimum I just don’t think we should associate.
 

Runningman

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As for your intentional insults, well, duly noted. I understand you better now.
You called me delusional in post #39

“There was no New Testament yet. Yes thank you. I am being careful while watching the delusion being expressed in this, your op.”

I think what you’re seeing is that your judgements are returning to you.
 

Live4Him3

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Uh no I don’t need to repent of anything at the moment. You’re the one who should be tending to his spiritual status rather than spreading falsehoods on the Internet and making serious charges against the Spirit within people. Your words are that I’m inspired by Satan after I used my OP to prove the NT doesn’t call itself scripture.

What’s worse, your charges against me are completely false. I believe the NT is scripture. Really you seem to create problems every time you talk to me. I respected you a few weeks ago, now I am totally at a loss if you are even a brother. You have no humility or respect. At minimum I just don’t think we should associate.
You haven't proved anything other than your scriptural ignorance on this matter.

Wait.

Let me rephrase that.

Your WILLFUL scriptural ignorance in that you refuse to see and accept the clear evidence which is contrary to your erroneous claims.
 

Live4Him3

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Uh no I don’t need to repent of anything at the moment. You’re the one who should be tending to his spiritual status rather than spreading falsehoods on the Internet and making serious charges against the Spirit within people. Your words are that I’m inspired by Satan after I used my OP to prove the NT doesn’t call itself scripture.

What’s worse, your charges against me are completely false. I believe the NT is scripture. Really you seem to create problems every time you talk to me. I respected you a few weeks ago, now I am totally at a loss if you are even a brother. You have no humility or respect. At minimum I just don’t think we should associate.
By the way, don't think that I didn't notice how you dodged what I said in the post of mine that you quoted.
 

Runningman

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You haven't proved anything other than your scriptural ignorance on this matter.

Wait.

Let me rephrase that.

Your WILLFUL scriptural ignorance is that you refuse to see and accept the clear evidence which is contrary to your erroneous claims.
Blah blah blah. Just a bunch of noise and hot air from your bursted bubble.

When you have verses that prove anything you’re saying then I’m here. Feel free to ping me if you wish.
 

Live4Him3

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Blah blah blah. Just a bunch of noise and hot air from your bursted bubble.

When you have verses that prove anything you’re saying then I’m here. Feel free to ping me if you wish.
I've already provided you with the same, and you've dodged them time and time again.

You're not fooling anybody.

Again, the early church considered Paul's writings which were inspired by God to be "the word of God" and "the commandments of the Lord".

Nothing you can ever conjure up is going to change that reality.
 

Polar

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You called me delusional in post #39

“There was no New Testament yet. Yes thank you. I am being careful while watching the delusion being expressed in this, your op.”

I think what you’re seeing is that your judgements are returning to you.
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. That's Jesus speaking and He says this to all who have accepted Him. That would include me.

I am concerned you would think someone is committing blasphemy because they are taken aback that you think Jesus did not refer to the NT. There is just no sense to be had in that comment of yours.

By the way, I was just reading some of your other contributions and it seems you teach there is no hell and no one will be condemned because that is not fair.
 

John146

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Scripture is God’s words. Period. When God speaks, it is scripture. Scripture itself is equated to God.

Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
 

Runningman

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I've already provided you with the same, and you've dodged them time and time again.

You're not fooling anybody.

Again, the early church considered Paul's writings which were inspired by God to be "the word of God" and "the commandments of the Lord".

Nothing you can ever conjure up is going to change that reality.
You didn’t show verses. You made a claim and provided no verses. I’ve been following this thread closely and I know the Bible better than you. I don’t mean that to brag, but I feel that’s just an objective fact. Paul never called his words the inspired words of God nor did anyone else say Paul’s words are the word of God.

seriously, you aren’t going to sneak anything past me. That may work on unread and unlearned people but not here.
 

John146

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Scripture, aka God, foresees…

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
 

Live4Him3

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You didn’t show verses. You made a claim and provided no verses. I’ve been following this thread closely and I know the Bible better than you. I don’t mean that to brag, but I feel that’s just an objective fact. Paul never called his words the inspired words of God nor did anyone else say Paul’s words are the word of God.
You need a lot of help.

I've provided the verses on this thread more than once.

As far as your self-flattery is concerned:

"For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth." (II Corinthians 10:18)
 

Polar

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Be careful because Jesus only recognized the Old Testament as scripture. You’re walking a fine line on blasphemy.
THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT.

You called me delusional in post #39
If you read scripture the way you read posts, I begin to understand how you could be so far off the truth.

I said this in post 39:

There was no New Testament yet. Yes thank you. I am being careful while watching the delusion being expressed in this, your op.
Clearly, I did not call you delusional. I said the thoughts being expressed regarding blasphemy because Jesus only accepted the OT were delusional.

THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT SO HOW ON THIS PLANET WOULD JESUS REFER TO THEM?
 

Runningman

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Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. That's Jesus speaking and He says this to all who have accepted Him. That would include me.

I am concerned you would think someone is committing blasphemy because they are taken aback that you think Jesus did not refer to the NT. There is just no sense to be had in that comment of yours.

By the way, I was just reading some of your other contributions and it seems you teach there is no hell and no one will be condemned because that is not fair.
You asked what demon believes the New Testament isn’t scripture. That’s borderline blasphemy in my opinion. When Jesus was here there was no Bible or New Testament. The NT wasn’t written until many years after His death. The scripture Jesus recognized was the Old Testament and He quoted it regularly. What’s your beef with that?
 

John146

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You didn’t show verses. You made a claim and provided no verses. I’ve been following this thread closely and I know the Bible better than you. I don’t mean that to brag, but I feel that’s just an objective fact. Paul never called his words the inspired words of God nor did anyone else say Paul’s words are the word of God.

seriously, you aren’t going to sneak anything past me. That may work on unread and unlearned people but not here.
Are you claiming that Paul’s letters were not inspired by God?
 

Polar

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You didn’t show verses. You made a claim and provided no verses.
nuh uh. YOU are making claims and some of us are refuting, with evidence, to the contrary.

I keep hearing a whine every time you say 'you provided no proof'. Proof has been given. It just asserts your wrong interpretation.
 

Runningman

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Clearly, I did not call you delusional. I said the thoughts being expressed regarding blasphemy because Jesus only accepted the OT were delusional.

THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT SO HOW ON THIS PLANET WOULD JESUS REFER TO THEM?
The thoughts in the the OP are my thoughts and the thoughts of those who wrote the verses. If the thoughts are delusional then you’re calling the person who had the thoughts delusional. That’s a fact. No need to sugar coat it or be dishonest about it. You’ve fooled no one here.
 

Runningman

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You need a lot of help.

I've provided the verses on this thread more than once.

As far as your self-flattery is concerned:

"For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth." (II Corinthians 10:18)
uh huh. No verses that support your claim. Got it.