What is the basis of our faith?

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BenFTW

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Faith to be healed must take into account the fact that God does not always heal so it is subject to His perfect will.

Did Paul have faith to be healed of his thorn in the flesh (body) -- his infirmity? Absolutely.

Did God heal him? Absolutely NOT.
We've already gone over Paul's thorn in the flesh. It isn't a physical disability and your persistence that it is only contradicts His word, as the context clearly reveals what Paul's thorn was, and its intention. That is, an angel (messenger = angelos) and it was sent to buffet (beat, struck, treated harshly) him (i.e; persecution).

You state that it is a fact that God doesn't always heal, but such a "fact" is based upon personal experience and not God's word which declares that everyone who came to Jesus in faith was healed. You say that it is factual that God doesn't always heal, but the correct statement would be that not everyone is healed in their subjective experience in relation to their own preconceived ideas about God and healing.

Faith can only be had by comprehending His perfect will, otherwise it is only hope. To discourage faith by saying God doesn't always heal as a means of consolation is a compromising of the truth. You would put subjective experience over God's word. You would console instead of encourage.
 

garee

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You state that it is a fact that God doesn't always heal, but such a "fact" is based upon personal experience and not God's word which declares that everyone who came to Jesus in faith was healed. You say that it is factual that God doesn't always heal, but the correct statement would be that not everyone is healed in their subjective experience in relation to their own preconceived ideas about God and healing
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The thorn in the flesh is the letter of the law it can kill.

Since faith is a work. Whose work of faith as a labor of love drew a person to believe that God would heal them? Did it come from the imaginations of their own heart, what the Bible calls no faith .Did they decide o their own? Or was it a work of God working in them to both will and perform His good pleasure?
 

BenFTW

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The thorn in the flesh is the letter of the law it can kill.

Since faith is a work. Whose work of faith as a labor of love drew a person to believe that God would heal them? Did it come from the imaginations of their own heart, what the Bible calls no faith .Did they decide o their own? Or was it a work of God working in them to both will and perform His good pleasure?
I think it would be illogical for God to take pleasure in faith if He is the one that gives it to people. Don't you think? That is like taking someone's exam for them, acing it, and then telling them, "I am so proud of you. I take great pleasure in your excellence." You did all the work, but praise them?

Much likened to faith, God takes pleasure when we have faith because we trust Him. Just like the Centurion in the Bible that Jesus exclaimed that He didn't see such faith in all of Israel. God didn't just give this man his faith, only to boast of the man's faith. That would be silly and wouldn't warrant praise. No, he marveled at the man's faith.