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Exactly! The young man was not willing to go the full mile with Jesus. Also according to Deut 28:1-14 he may have acquired his wealth by corrupt practices. He did not do what God said to do in order to be blessed. The disciples were perplexed because the rich get everything because of privilege.
For those who wish to put words in my mouth, they do me the same disservice as Jesus as when they change His words. Jesus was not against wealth nor acquiring it. It is part of the blessings when following the 10C.
For those who wish to put words in my mouth, they do me the same disservice as Jesus as when they change His words. Jesus was not against wealth nor acquiring it. It is part of the blessings when following the 10C.
Mark 12:28-29
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
John 16:12-15
12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
John 17:20-23
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
1 John 2:27
27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1 Corinthians 2:9-14
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Luke 11:9-13
9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
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Yes, to follow Jesus' teachings for salvation is a road of perfection. The point is only Jesus was perfect yet He saves us by His grace on account of His works...not ours.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(Rom 3:20-23)
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(Rom 3:20-23)
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The bottom line is I teach what the Savior teaches and many don't.
I have so much Love for the Christ that I hold to every word He said.
(Matt 24:35 [UKJV])
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
(John 1:17 [UKJV])
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(John 4:23 [UKJV])
But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
What do you have if you reject His Words? In case you haven't noticed, let me point it out. You are arguing against what Jesus taught, because everything I presented was His teachings. There not mine. Jesus told the young man to follow the 10C, not me. You have a problem with Jesus and what He taught.
(Luke 18:18 [UKJV])
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
(Luke 18:20 [UKJV])
You know the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour your father and your mother.
If Jesus is wrong for pointing the young man to the 10C say so, but don't take it out on me for saying what He said.
Do I have to post this again. If you can't understand these verses then yes you are in desperate need of grace.
(1John 3:6-10 [UKJV])
Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
(1John 3:6-10 [UKJV])
Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
Why do you expect people to heed your commentary on the Scriptures when you don't heed other commentators and theologians? You pit yourself up as a one man show..
Ignoring Paul you have become ignorant of the Church Body and it's workings thus lead many astray...
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
(Eph 4:11-12)
Those teachers God gave to the Church for mutual edification but you dismiss them.
Ignoring Paul you have become ignorant of the Church Body and it's workings thus lead many astray...
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
(Eph 4:11-12)
Those teachers God gave to the Church for mutual edification but you dismiss them.
Yup as I said before, I am in desperate need of grace 24/7. Seeing you have no need of grace you are confessing you live by the law.
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
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We should not ignore Apostle Paul's teaching but we also are not to exalt him above the Lord or act as if he taught a different gospel. For he only expounded on the gospel of Christ and instruct mainly on the doing part of faith.
As for my question the Lord Jesus Christ said only those who have true faith that their foundation is built on Him will do what He said. Those who's foundation of faith is not built on Him and only hears but does not do are deceived !!!
I've never exalted Paul above Jesus.
Jesus is the eternal God and Savior of all mankind.
My point is that Paul most thoroughly explained the Gospel in the first four chapters of Romans.
In Romans, Paul explains we are not saved by following teachings for ALL HAVE SINNED, rather we are saved by Christ death and resurrection. Even as Jesus many times hints at...
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
(Joh 11:25-26)
Remember, the topic is the Gospel/Salvation...not our fruit.
Jesus is the eternal God and Savior of all mankind.
My point is that Paul most thoroughly explained the Gospel in the first four chapters of Romans.
In Romans, Paul explains we are not saved by following teachings for ALL HAVE SINNED, rather we are saved by Christ death and resurrection. Even as Jesus many times hints at...
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
(Joh 11:25-26)
Remember, the topic is the Gospel/Salvation...not our fruit.
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