What Is the meaning of BY faith and THROUGH faith?
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well God sure thought the child had to die and you don't have to like it but that is what happened
where does it say in scripture that people would die even if there was no sin, so therefore death is only spiritual
OF COURSE DEATH IS ALSO PHYSICAL. how come men do not live for hundreds of years anymore?
Did you fail to read Hebrews 11?
And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets (v.32).
The Law was never meant to save anyone. While David was under the Law (as were all these other men and the prophets), salvation was by grace through faith, hence they are listed in Hebrews 11.
And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets (v.32).
The Law was never meant to save anyone. While David was under the Law (as were all these other men and the prophets), salvation was by grace through faith, hence they are listed in Hebrews 11.
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you never fail to misconstrue and take offense
whatever, yes, no, maybe, who knows and whatever
pick one that you like
don't be stepping on the crickets. they have feelings too
oh wait...almost forgot...you do not have a clue what I think and you are the first person I have said that to on this site
I was waiting for the right time
no I never thought the death of the child paid for anyone's sin because that would make him an atonement and since God forbids child
sacrifice (see the OT), how would that work?
nope. sin has consequences and ends in death. maybe stop assuming yourself
and I know you will see that as a challenge to continue flinging wisdom, but I'll leave you to it
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The Jews were saved BY Grace and the gentiles were saved by Grace THROUGH faith, Is there a difference?
It is blood sacrifice and faith in this that covers sin for Israel, OT. Grace was just unmerited favor.
It is the Cross of Jesus, and faith in His blood sacrifice that covers and purges sin for spiritual Israel. Grace is unmerited power of Holy Spirit within to cause regeneration, new life.
Hi E-G! I think it's this scripture that Joanie is talking about. The judgement on David's sin is quite heavy. I have them in bold.
2 Samuel 12:9-14 NKJV
Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight?
You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.
Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’ Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, before the sun.’”
So David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”
However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.
2 Samuel 12:9-14 NKJV
Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight?
You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.
Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’ Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, before the sun.’”
So David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”
However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.
I think I find the best example is Uzzah.
2 Samuel 6:5-7 ESV
And David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before the Lord, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals. And when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah, and God struck him down there because of his error, and he died there beside the ark of God.
1 Chronicles 13:9-12 ESV
And when they came to the threshing floor of Chidon, Uzzah put out his hand to take hold of the ark, for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah, and he struck him down because he put out his hand to the ark, and he died there before God. And David was angry because the Lord had broken out against Uzzah. And that place is called Perez-uzza to this day. And David was afraid of God that day, and he said, “How can I bring the ark of God home to me?”
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A sidenote...
And David was afraid of God that day, and he said, “How can I bring the ark of God home to me?” 1 Chronicles 13:12
This goes on to show that punishment brings fear and not the kind of FEAR Jesus was talking about when He quoted Deut, when He was tempted in the wilderness.
No wonder God found fault in the old covenant!!! Praise God.
2 Samuel 6:5-7 ESV
And David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before the Lord, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals. And when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah, and God struck him down there because of his error, and he died there beside the ark of God.
1 Chronicles 13:9-12 ESV
And when they came to the threshing floor of Chidon, Uzzah put out his hand to take hold of the ark, for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah, and he struck him down because he put out his hand to the ark, and he died there before God. And David was angry because the Lord had broken out against Uzzah. And that place is called Perez-uzza to this day. And David was afraid of God that day, and he said, “How can I bring the ark of God home to me?”
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A sidenote...
And David was afraid of God that day, and he said, “How can I bring the ark of God home to me?” 1 Chronicles 13:12
This goes on to show that punishment brings fear and not the kind of FEAR Jesus was talking about when He quoted Deut, when He was tempted in the wilderness.
No wonder God found fault in the old covenant!!! Praise God.
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1. Well it is good you do not think this
2. You still do not understand the conversation and what started it
3. Don;t worry, I will not sated on crickets. I know you are trying to gather them up and take them home.
Finally, Please place me on ignore. There can be no fruit in us trying to discuss anything. You have anger against me for some reason. And you need to figure out why. Until then. Please stop.
2. You still do not understand the conversation and what started it
3. Don;t worry, I will not sated on crickets. I know you are trying to gather them up and take them home.
Finally, Please place me on ignore. There can be no fruit in us trying to discuss anything. You have anger against me for some reason. And you need to figure out why. Until then. Please stop.
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I agree sis, it is quite heavy, But as we have always been told. Those who have much are held in greater responsibility. And thus they are judged more severely because of this. David was king.
I like that that passage also shows WHY the child was taken.
However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.
The child was taken not to cover Davids sin, It was taken so Gods enemies could not use that child as it grew up as a reason to BLASPHEME the name of God. Was it not God protecting his own and not so much punishing david, Although by association. David suffered severely by it.
I like that that passage also shows WHY the child was taken.
However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.
The child was taken not to cover Davids sin, It was taken so Gods enemies could not use that child as it grew up as a reason to BLASPHEME the name of God. Was it not God protecting his own and not so much punishing david, Although by association. David suffered severely by it.
So In the old testament they believed If they offered blood for sins they would be covered?
In the New testament JESUS finished the work and Grace was provided,then the person would have to choose to believe
And then faith would be given to them because It would be the vehicle (so to speak) to get them reborn?
I was thinking that that's why they say BY faith and THROUGH faith.
IDK.
In the New testament JESUS finished the work and Grace was provided,then the person would have to choose to believe
And then faith would be given to them because It would be the vehicle (so to speak) to get them reborn?
I was thinking that that's why they say BY faith and THROUGH faith.
IDK.