What is the meaning of Hebrews 4?

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Jesus Greater Than Moses
Heb 3:1-6 “Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.”
We open chapter three establishing that Jesus was greater than Moses. And that we are of the household of Jesus. This is conditional on our hope/faith confidence remains.

A Rest for the People of God
Heb. 3:7-19 “Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.”
We finish chapter three which just keeps repeating that the Israelites of that generation were rejected. That was because they were stubborn and inclined to sinfulness. It tells us God swore they were not to enter His rest, because of their unbelief.

Heb. 4:1-7 “Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.”
We continue in chapter four being exhorted to fear lest we fall short in the faith from God’s word being properly consumed. Here is verse four (in green above) in ESV:
Heb. 4:4 “For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.”” He seems to compare God’s resting on the seventh day as part of this rest.

He continues with that some have yet to enter this rest because of their unbelief. Here is verse seven (in purple above) in ESV: Heb. 4:7 “again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”” He states that God used David to warn us to watch our hardened hearts.

Heb. 4:8, 9 “For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.” He goes on to tell us Jesus’ work has not yet accomplished carrying us to His rest.

Heb. 4:10-13 “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.” We continue to be exhorted work toward that rest because God’s word leaves us bare and exposed.

Jesus the Great High Priest
Heb. 4:14-16 “Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
Finally, we are reminded that Christ is our High Priest making intercession for us as we work.
Great post IMO, nice to see someone deal with the Scriptures in truth. I want to bring this up, because most here seem to not have picked this up:

Heb. 4:8, 9 “For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.” He goes on to tell us Jesus’ work has not yet accomplished carrying us to His rest.
FOr entering Israel led by Joshua (ben nun) was not the true kingdom...
Now this is near blasphemy o those that know Jesus through tradition and common sayings, however this is exaclty what Scripture teaches, The rest Yahshua offers

Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

Is in the kingdom fo YHWH"

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

and it makes perfect sense, the rest is complared in Heb 3&4 to the Israelites entering the promised land...the true rest in Messiah is entering the true promised land!

Psalm 92:1-2, “It is good to give thanks to יהוה, And to sing praises to Your Name, O Most High; To declare Your loving-commitment in the morning, And Your trustworthiness each night,"
 
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This thread is meant to have an serious and in depth discussion about Hebrews 4 and it meaning. I will post 2 versions of Hebrews 4 and then my views on it. My views will be lengthy as to be somewhat complete, but there is still more. All others are invited to give their views, post other versions and share!

Hebrews 4 Revised Standard Version (RSV)


4 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest remains, let us fear lest any of you be judged to have failed to reach it. 2 For good news came to us just as to them; but the message which they heard did not benefit them, because it did not meet with faith in the hearers.[a] 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall never enter my rest,’”


although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way, “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this place he said,

“They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, when you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”


8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak later of another day. 9 So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; 10 for whoever enters God’s rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his.

11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, that no one fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And before him no creature is hidden, but all are open and laid bare to the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."


#G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition - a sabbath rest


#G2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin - from katapauó, Definition - rest



Contrast words 4520 from Hebrews 4:9 to all the other "NT" mentions of Sabbath:


Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH."


#G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences


keeping of the Sabbath” is word #4520 - sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest

Hebrews 4:12-16,12 For the Word of Elohim is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account."14 Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, יהושע the Son of Elohim, let us hold fast our confession."15 For we do not have a High Priest unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who was tried in all respects as we are, apart from sin."16 Therefore, let us come boldly to the throne of favour, in order to receive compassion, and find favour for timely help."
No. The weekly sabbath memorializes the 7th day of creation.
Hebrews chapter 4 in telling the Believer that we must enter into God's rest which is called SANCTIFYING PEACE. Failure to do so, the Believer will die (spiritual) in the wilderness. Most do!

There are two kinds of peace with God the Father:

1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing (Rom. 5:1, 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15).
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart (Rom. 8:6, 14:19, 15:13; Gal. 1:3; 1 Thess. 5:23).


The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, so that the life of Christ is manifested and lived through the Believer by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is a living sacrifice that is pleasing and acceptable to God (John 14:21, Rom. 8:2, 13; 2 Cor. 4:11; Gal. 2:20-21).

The LORD shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:14). "In Justification, the Lord fights 'for' us, and in Sanctification, He fights 'in' us."

SANCTIFYING PEACE = The LORD's REST / ONLY A FEW FINDING IT (Matthew 7:13-14)

Question for all? How do we enter into His rest?
 

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Hebrews chapter 4 in telling the Believer that we must enter into God's rest which is called SANCTIFYING PEACE. Failure to do so, the Believer will die (spiritual) in the wilderness. Most do!

There are two kinds of peace with God the Father:

1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing (Rom. 5:1, 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15).
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart (Rom. 8:6, 14:19, 15:13; Gal. 1:3; 1 Thess. 5:23).


The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, so that the life of Christ is manifested and lived through the Believer by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is a living sacrifice that is pleasing and acceptable to God (John 14:21, Rom. 8:2, 13; 2 Cor. 4:11; Gal. 2:20-21).

The LORD shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:14). "In Justification, the Lord fights 'for' us, and in Sanctification, He fights 'in' us."

SANCTIFYING PEACE = The LORD's REST / ONLY A FEW FINDING IT (Matthew 7:13-14)

Question for all? How do we enter into His rest?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and Thou shalt be saved :)
 
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just another thread wherein a Sabbatarian congratulates himself on how his works exalt him over those who are saved through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ

so, either rest in your 'works' or rest in THE work of Jesus

simple

ps...don't let these folks who believe that unless you 'worship' on the 'Sabbath' tell you that faith only creates an atmosphere of sin

that's a lie straight from hell. the devil is the accuser and Christians really should see right through the false accusations

Paul explained it very well...in Galatians for example...but remember, many Sabbatarians do not believe there is authority in the teaching of Paul, so, that is a handy excuse for ignoring any scripture that wipes away the nonsense they teach

just my conclusion on the matter
 

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just another thread wherein a Sabbatarian congratulates himself on how his works exalt him over those who are saved through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ

so, either rest in your 'works' or rest in THE work of Jesus

simple

ps...don't let these folks who believe that unless you 'worship' on the 'Sabbath' tell you that faith only creates an atmosphere of sin

that's a lie straight from hell. the devil is the accuser and Christians really should see right through the false accusations

Paul explained it very well...in Galatians for example...but remember, many Sabbatarians do not believe there is authority in the teaching of Paul, so, that is a handy excuse for ignoring any scripture that wipes away the nonsense they teach

just my conclusion on the matter
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"


Question for all? How do we enter into His rest?
John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
 
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Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"




John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
right

so you can copy/paste verses from the Bible, taken out of context but that you try to 'use' to give weight to your belief

but if people post verses that show what you believe about Sabbath worship is wrong, you can just ignore them, right?

you can just ignore every thing the NT states about salvation being through faith alone and muddy the waters with your personal convictions that contradict scripture

nothing changed here.
 

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right

so you can copy/paste verses from the Bible, taken out of context but that you try to 'use' to give weight to your belief

but if people post verses that show what you believe about Sabbath worship is wrong, you can just ignore them, right?

you can just ignore every thing the NT states about salvation being through faith alone and muddy the waters with your personal convictions that contradict scripture

nothing changed here.
oohhhhhh...... well all you seem to do is make personal attacks and put words in my mouth I never said, and without Scripture make general statements that "give you the high ground"

I believe Hebrews 4 points to entering the Kingdom... that is the rest Yashua offers... Rev14:13...
 

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2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

Sabbath Millennium.jpg

Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of the Mighty One, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."
 
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Hebrews chapter 4 in telling the Believer that we must enter into God's rest which is called SANCTIFYING PEACE. Failure to do so, the Believer will die (spiritual) in the wilderness. Most do!

There are two kinds of peace with God the Father:

1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing (Rom. 5:1, 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15).
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart (Rom. 8:6, 14:19, 15:13; Gal. 1:3; 1 Thess. 5:23).


The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, so that the life of Christ is manifested and lived through the Believer by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is a living sacrifice that is pleasing and acceptable to God (John 14:21, Rom. 8:2, 13; 2 Cor. 4:11; Gal. 2:20-21).

The LORD shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:14). "In Justification, the Lord fights 'for' us, and in Sanctification, He fights 'in' us."

SANCTIFYING PEACE = The LORD's REST / ONLY A FEW FINDING IT (Matthew 7:13-14)

Question for all? How do we enter into His rest?
We enter his rest by mixing faith in what we do hear coming from the word of God the gospel of our salvation .Another way of saying; we beleive God as He give us His faith to make it possible.

As always he must do the first work. Without his faith working in us it is impossible to beleive Him. With it we can seek after our invisible God.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6
 

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right

so you can copy/paste verses from the Bible, taken out of context but that you try to 'use' to give weight to your belief

but if people post verses that show what you believe about Sabbath worship is wrong, you can just ignore them, right?

you can just ignore every thing the NT states about salvation being through faith alone and muddy the waters with your personal convictions that contradict scripture

nothing changed here.
Ive been saying that all along and he accused me of attacking him...
 

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You KNOW why and so do others..
The issuse is with you and whoever feels like that, I dont feel like that towards anyone here, I may disagree with them but it does not make me have bad feeling toward them...
 

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The issuse is with you and whoever feels like that, I dont feel like that towards anyone here, I may disagree with them but it does not make me have bad feeling toward them...
I told you why i dont like you..or more so.. your posts..im not surprised you fail to acknowledge anything..seems to be your M.O. but oh well..
 

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I told you why i dont like you..or more so.. your posts..im not surprised you fail to acknowledge anything..seems to be your M.O. but oh well..
Nearly this whole thread you focus has been on me. I acknoledge that you said you don;t like me as you say I don;t listen, are you conflating not reacting the way you want with not listening? Am I not alloed to have my beliefs, especially if I have prayed and studied for many years. There are thousands of denomanations of Christianity, each believeing something different, do you dislike all of them? You have not tried to have any kind of Scriptual debate with me you have attacked my character a number of times. If you wich to talk about the word I am willing.
 

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Nearly this whole thread you focus has been on me. I acknoledge that you said you don;t like me as you say I don;t listen, are you conflating not reacting the way you want with not listening? Am I not alloed to have my beliefs, especially if I have prayed and studied for many years. There are thousands of denomanations of Christianity, each believeing something different, do you dislike all of them? You have not tried to have any kind of Scriptual debate with me you have attacked my character a number of times. If you wich to talk about the word I am willing.
Scriptures were posted and others seem to agree with me about your charactor but yet you single ME out? Lol..
 

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Scriptures were posted and others seem to agree with me about your charactor but yet you single ME out? Lol..
Intrepratation does not make one right... Right intrepratation does, a real discussion of the word can lead to that. and No I replied also I 7 I think it was, you have made more posts on this thread than anyone other than me, so I dont believe I am singling you out. AM I not allowed to speak with my accuser? SO you hurl accusations and I must stay silent? YOu told me something like "I dont believe in the Lord's Salvation" or something like that... pretty harsh IMO. Also following or being a part of a group does not automatically make one right.

Like I said, if all these that say I am SO SO SO wrong were right it would be easy to show it in Scripture. Putting words in my mouth and swatting them down is not honest it is deception. Quote on of my posts where I am wrong and rebuke it, if it is correct I will repent, if not I dont see why there is such issue.
 

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No I replied also I 7 I think it was, you have made more posts on this thread than anyone other than me, so I dont believe I am singling you out. AM I not allowed to speak with my accuser? SO you hurl accusations and I must stay silent? YOu told me something like "I dont believe in the Lord's Salvation" or something like that... pretty harsh IMO. Also following or being a part of a group does not automatically make one right.

Like I said, if all these that say I am SO SO SO wrong were right it would be easy to show it in Scripture. Putting words in my mouth and swatting them down is not honest it is deception. Quote on of my posts where I am wrong and rebuke it, if it is correct I will repent, if not I dont see why there is such issue.
Its not only your scriptures that were wrong but your agenda as well..do we REALLY need to keep going over this because you seem to be a glutton for punishment or something that weve gone over the same things over and over again for at least 3 days and you STILL dont understand? HERES a verse for you...

"The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen to advice (Proverbs 12:15).
 

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Its not only your scriptures that were wrong but your agenda as well..do we REALLY need to keep going over this because you seem to be a glutton for punishment or something that weve gone over the same things over and over again for at least 3 days and you STILL dont understand? HERES a verse for you...

"The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen to advice (Proverbs 12:15).
Still no talk about the thread topic just more about me... If this was really about doctrine you would be showing doctrine not making it about me.