What is the order of Melchizedek

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garee

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I would offer in order to establish a perfect type of the character and nature of the priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ there was no man who would be a perfect type so God Himself appeared temporally in the form of a man. He being found in the appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross

.He did not take on a human nature, He did not become man as He did when Jesus Christ as the son of man became man, but He did appear in the form of a man, in the person of Melchizedek, in order to set up a type, a perfect type of the eternal character of the priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ
 

bluto

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The king of Jerusalem (king of Salem -- Heb Shalem -- which was the early name of Jerusalem) is what the Bible says.

Shalem is related to Shalom, which means peace. Hence King of Peace. In the whole Bible there is only one King of Peace and King of Righteousness, which is Christ Himself.

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. (Heb 7:3)

The pre-incarnate Christ had neither father nor mother, since He was the eternal (having neither beginning of days, nor end of life) Son of God.
So are you saying that the preincarnate Jesus Christ is not only the person of "Melchizedek" but also the angel of the Lord as well? Secondly, did you ever research why Melchizedek was without father and mother. Thirdly, please read the entire chapter of Genesis 14 and you will discoverat Melchizedek was a human king of Salem which is now named Jersalem. In short, Jesus is not Melchizedek. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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Nehemiah6

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In short, Jesus is not Melchizedek
You can believe whatever you wish. But everything said about Melchizedek indicates that he was the pre-incarnate Christ. And I have read Genesis 14 so let's look at some salient verses from Gen 14 interpreted by the Holy Spirit in Hebrews 7:

THE LORD'S SUPPER PREFIGURED
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine...
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace...

THE HIGH PRIESTHOOD OF CHRIST PREFIGURED
... and he was the priest of the most high God.
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

CHRIST GREATER THAN ABRAHAM
...And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God...
Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils... And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

IT IS CHRIST WHO RECEIVED ABRAHAM'S TITHES
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [Christ] receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth....Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life... But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
 

dcontroversal

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We are told that Christ is the Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. What is the order of Melchizedek?
A Kingly Priest with no beginning and or no ending that even the great Abraham paid homage to........
 

bluto

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You can believe whatever you wish. But everything said about Melchizedek indicates that he was the pre-incarnate Christ. And I have read Genesis 14 so let's look at some salient verses from Gen 14 interpreted by the Holy Spirit in Hebrews 7:

THE LORD'S SUPPER PREFIGURED
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine...
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace...

THE HIGH PRIESTHOOD OF CHRIST PREFIGURED
... and he was the priest of the most high God.
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

CHRIST GREATER THAN ABRAHAM
...And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God...
Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils... And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

IT IS CHRIST WHO RECEIVED ABRAHAM'S TITHES
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [Christ] receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth....Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life... But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
It's rather obvious you don't know the Biblical "type" or "prefigure" works. A type is a person or thing or evenbt that resembles or personifies something that will come in the future. In other words, it helps the people become familiar with a person or idea before it actually comes on the scene.

This is what you posted above that Melchizedek is a "type or prefigure of Jesus Christ but Melchizedek is "NOT" the person of Christ. Look at what Hebrews 7:4 states. "Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriach, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils."

And what about vs3? "Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made "LIKE" the Son of God, he abides a preist perpetually." Having been made like or resembles the Son of God but that does not mean Melchizedek is the Son of God. Lastly, I ask you specifically is Melchizedek who you say is Jesus Christ also the same person of the angel of the Lord as well in the OT? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

posthuman

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Melchizedek is an order of priesthood that has its origins with Adam the first man/high priest.
i've heard several people say this and read it in several places but every single one of them were LDS parroting their prophets.

are you a Mormon? if not may i trouble you to know where you got this idea from?
 

JohnTalmid

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i've heard several people say this and read it in several places but every single one of them were LDS parroting their prophets.

are you a Mormon? if not may i trouble you to know where you got this idea from?

Not a Mormon.

Second it is a very "Jewish" teaching. If I remember correctly the Mormons teach about the Aronic priesthood. I don't teach that we are under the Aronic but under the priesthood of Malkizadik.
I got much information from cross reference of the Tanakh and books like Jasher and Adam. There are to many things written that convinced me that Shem, "name" was Malkizadik. People who don't know what the Tanakh teaches will continue to try and convince people that this figure was messiah.
P. S. Enoch also would have been of the priesthood
 

calibob

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Hebrews 7 again, vs 17; (NIV) For it is declared: " You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." Psalms 110;4 & Hebrews ; 5 v 6 It doesn't say was Melchizdek at all!
 

JaumeJ

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Melchizedek, King of Righteousness, and King of Salem, that is, King of Peace or Ruler of peace.

I know, because the words are plain that it is an eternal priesthood, that it is Jesus Christ, Yesua…

There is no other King of Righteousness or of Peace.
 

calibob

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Melchizedek, King of Righteousness, and King of Salem, that is, King of Peace or Ruler of peace.

I know, because the words are plain that it is an eternal priesthood, that it is Jesus Christ, Yesua…

There is no other King of Righteousness or of Peace.
That's a matter of translation like Joshua literally means Son of God. Certainly not all in the bible named Joshua were sons' of God literally.
 

JaumeJ

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Melchizedek, King of Righteousness, and King of Salem, that is, King of Peace or Ruler of peace.

I know, because the words are plain that it is an eternal priesthood, that it is Jesus Christ, Yesua…

There is no other King of Righteousness or of Peace.
Think on how Abraham gave him the tenth part of all he had…...
 

JaumeJ

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I have always understood Joshua to be Yehoshua, an early evolution of the name Yeshua....

They both may be translated as the Salvation of Yahweh, or theSalvation of God.

Sonin Hebrew is Ben,, such as Benjamin or Ben Yamin, and this means son of the right hand, or favored son.

Joshua Ben un, or son of Nun is a figure who is prophecy if you can receive that. iWe will all know all one day. Right now it is staying a glorious for me.

Those translations of Melchizedek and being the King of Salem are accurate.
 

calibob

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Think on how Abraham gave him the tenth part of all he had…...
Yes, Abraham paid him tithe. So many of us do also. I believe Mel. was a pre-Jesus example of what was to come and Abraham realized it and gave as he should have. Find something in the New Testament that proves otherwise and I'll recant and stand corrected!
 

calibob

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I have always understood Joshua to be Yehoshua, an early evolution of the name Yeshua....

They both may be translated as the Salvation of Yahweh, or theSalvation of God.

Sonin Hebrew is Ben,, such as Benjamin or Ben Yamin, and this means son of the right hand, or favored son.

Joshua Ben un, or son of Nun is a figure who is prophecy if you can receive that. iWe will all know all one day. Right now it is staying a glorious for me.

Those translations of Melchizedek and being the King of Salem are accurate.
I only quoted the Bible for those who don't keep one within reach.
 

JaumeJ

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If you read in Galatians you will understand that Abraham was the first to receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ..

Abraham was not disposed to honoring any priests since there were no earthly priests at his time authorized by our Father. The order is eternal therfoe the priest is eternal...……. The King of Righteousness King of Peae…...there is no other but >Jesus Christ.
 

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If you read in Galatians you will understand that Abraham was the first to receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ..

Abraham was not disposed to honoring any priests since there were no earthly priests at his time authorized by our Father. The order is eternal therfoe the priest is eternal...……. The King of Righteousness King of Peae…...there is no other but >Jesus Christ.
Yes but the price was not paid at the cross at the time of Abraham.
 

JaumeJ

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Yes but the price was not paid at the cross at the time of Abraham.
+You do understand Abraham received the Gospel from Jesus Christ?
We all who believe Him are sanctified for the sprinkling of the Blood of Christ, this would include all the OT personalities who were led by the Holy Spirit.
 

Nehemiah6

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Lastly, I ask you specifically is Melchizedek who you say is Jesus Christ also the same person of the angel of the Lord as well in the OT
A fundamental Bible truth is that God the Father is a Spirit, and that no man has seen God the Father at any time. IT IS ALWAYS THE SON -- THE WORD -- WHO APPEARED TO MEN.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18)

What most people do not realize is that Christ appeared to men in various ways in the OT. He came sometimes as "the LORD God". He came sometimes as "the Word of God". At other times He came as "the angel of the Lord". At other times He also came as "a man" showing divine attributes.

And then He also appeared as Melchizedek, a man like no other man -- a King-Priest who had neither father nor mother. A "greater than Abraham", since "Before Abraham was I AM".

So yes, the eternal Word, before He was incarnated took the form of man in the OT, and is shown as the Lord Jesus Christ in the NT.
 

Embankment

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+You do understand Abraham received the Gospel from Jesus Christ?
We all who believe Him are sanctified for the sprinkling of the Blood of Christ, this would include all the OT personalities who were led by the Holy Spirit.
I do not believe the Bible teaches that. No one was saved the way we are today before the cross.
The cross was the most important event in human history. End of story.
 

CharliRenee

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My guess, and yes the operative word here is "guess", is that he was Shem who represents a type of Christ, not Christ.