What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?
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If I happen to write in one of my posts that someone/anyone/everyone should look something up or do there own research --- don't you dare tell me:
"Oh - but, that is just simply not good enough. You absolutely must spoonfeed all of us with a long list of references and evidence for every little teeny-tiny speck of anything that has anything to do with anything that might be in any way associated with what you stated. Because, I shouldn't have to lift a finger to do anything to help myself understand anything I read - because, that is your responsibility and not mine."
Absolutely:
I did not write this post specifically for you; rather, it is an "intentional reaction" (reactionary, but a rational disciplined one without anger) that was/is "triggered" by your post.
Everyone:
I absolutely "despise it" when other people demand things that they will not do themselves.
Despite what some on here seem to think, there is no mandatory requirement for an exhaustive every-detail leave-no-rock-unturned explanation for every single nuance of every statement made in a post - that must be included in every post along with each-and-every statement.
The general default format for threads on this site (and, in fact - to my knowledge - most forum sites) is 'discussion'.
So - have a discussion. And, if you would like more information to clarify or "backup" what someone says - simply ask for it - "nicely" will go a long way.
Don't tell people (or insinuate) that what they said in a particular post (or, possibly, anything they ever say in any post) cannot possibly have any merit whatsoever - just because they did not include the massive book of information that is the "backup" for a statement they made - with the statement in the same post.
With the possible exception of a few on CC
, nobody wants to quote the whole Bible in every post.
I tend to quote only the verses I feel are necessary to illustrate whatever idea or point I am trying to get across.
If I put no scripture in a post to back up a statement, it generally means one of these things:
1) The scripture I might reference is very well-known to the discussion-at-hand - or, may have been quoted recently-in-the-thread - or some such thing that should not require that it be quoted in that post.
2) There is way too much scripture and/or study required so as to make entirely too impractical to quote it in that post.
3) Sometimes, it simply is not required to "add reference material" to have a productive discussion while trying to get an idea or point across.
It is very rare that a single post can offer all-available-proof for something - the issues being discussed are too complex.
That is what give-and-take discussion is for.
Grow up. Be an adult. Have a conversation. Be nice. Don't get too impatient...
If you just knew how long it sometimes takes me to write posts on this infernal [dumb] "smart" phone that I am "cursed" to have to use for now --- you would probably begin to understand what I am saying all-the-better.
Some people - for different reasons - will tend to not write more than is required to get the [current] idea or point across. Try to be patient with them.
I just can't wait to get my computer - with a real keyboard - set up again.
"Oh - but, that is just simply not good enough. You absolutely must spoonfeed all of us with a long list of references and evidence for every little teeny-tiny speck of anything that has anything to do with anything that might be in any way associated with what you stated. Because, I shouldn't have to lift a finger to do anything to help myself understand anything I read - because, that is your responsibility and not mine."
Absolutely:
I did not write this post specifically for you; rather, it is an "intentional reaction" (reactionary, but a rational disciplined one without anger) that was/is "triggered" by your post.
Everyone:
I absolutely "despise it" when other people demand things that they will not do themselves.
Despite what some on here seem to think, there is no mandatory requirement for an exhaustive every-detail leave-no-rock-unturned explanation for every single nuance of every statement made in a post - that must be included in every post along with each-and-every statement.
The general default format for threads on this site (and, in fact - to my knowledge - most forum sites) is 'discussion'.
So - have a discussion. And, if you would like more information to clarify or "backup" what someone says - simply ask for it - "nicely" will go a long way.
Don't tell people (or insinuate) that what they said in a particular post (or, possibly, anything they ever say in any post) cannot possibly have any merit whatsoever - just because they did not include the massive book of information that is the "backup" for a statement they made - with the statement in the same post.
With the possible exception of a few on CC
, nobody wants to quote the whole Bible in every post.I tend to quote only the verses I feel are necessary to illustrate whatever idea or point I am trying to get across.
If I put no scripture in a post to back up a statement, it generally means one of these things:
1) The scripture I might reference is very well-known to the discussion-at-hand - or, may have been quoted recently-in-the-thread - or some such thing that should not require that it be quoted in that post.
2) There is way too much scripture and/or study required so as to make entirely too impractical to quote it in that post.
3) Sometimes, it simply is not required to "add reference material" to have a productive discussion while trying to get an idea or point across.
It is very rare that a single post can offer all-available-proof for something - the issues being discussed are too complex.
That is what give-and-take discussion is for.
Grow up. Be an adult. Have a conversation. Be nice. Don't get too impatient...
If you just knew how long it sometimes takes me to write posts on this infernal [dumb] "smart" phone that I am "cursed" to have to use for now --- you would probably begin to understand what I am saying all-the-better.
Some people - for different reasons - will tend to not write more than is required to get the [current] idea or point across. Try to be patient with them.
I just can't wait to get my computer - with a real keyboard - set up again.
Like "nowhere did the church fathers believe in a pretrib rapture"
They are being emphatic on a debunked cause.
So "look it up yourself" stops all the nonsense of me having to show them over and over that their deal is debunked.
I say there is no U-turn because the use of the term by most people carries with it the implication that the reverse direction takes place immediately after the initial direction.
Jesus does not do a U-turn at all.
After the saints are raptured, they remain with Jesus in the air "for the duration" until Jesus has accomplished all that He desires to do before descending further down to the Earth - mainly, "dishing out" the Wrath of God upon the Earth - which, in timeline/event terms, is fairly short - but, not as immediate as is implied by the use of the term 'U-turn'.
Jesus does not do a U-turn at all.
After the saints are raptured, they remain with Jesus in the air "for the duration" until Jesus has accomplished all that He desires to do before descending further down to the Earth - mainly, "dishing out" the Wrath of God upon the Earth - which, in timeline/event terms, is fairly short - but, not as immediate as is implied by the use of the term 'U-turn'.
