What Laws are still valid to christians

[cfultz3]

Did Jesus indeed go to hades to rescue king David ? I was of the view David is in his grave and will remain so until god raises him? Am I mistaken on this?

It is said in Matthew that some came out from their graved and walked around with Jesus after His resurrection.

God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

 

[homwardbound]

I think, we should focus on the God commandment before we can even talk about anything else 1 John 3:23-24

King James Version (KJV)

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

without following this you will never know the truth no matter how hard you try, this should be your most important objective to follow

Is not what you just posted here a Law in and of itself? And the Laws of Love are they not the fulfillment of all Law, this includes the Mosaic Law, correct?
So tell how can I then if not being able to able the Mosaic Law as is written, how can I obey the Two Laws of Love?
Since no flesh can be perfect, or ever please God, except Christ's flesh
Just some thought to consider, how can anyone of us truly Love God's way?

 

[Elin]

Actually the penalty was the burden of Col 2:14.

In Eph 2:15, it was the regulations of food, defilement and cleansings (the law with its commands
and regulations) that caused hostility between, and separated, the Jew and the Gentile with a wall
of partition.

Those regulations were abolished on the cross, which accomplished two things:

1) peace between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the regulations which were the cause
of their hostility, and

2) peace between both of them and God, by removing the sin (the cause of the enmity--Ro 5:10),
of those who have faith in the blood of Christ (Ro 3:25).

In Eph 2:15, the hostility and wall of partition were "the law with its commands and regulations,"
not the penalty.
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The above is Col 2:8-14.

the barrier, or wall which was between us

And that is Eph 2:14.

Are you bootstrapping "the law with its commands and regulations" of Eph
to the "written code (penalty) that was against us" of Col
in order to make the penalty (written code) of Col abolished instead of
the "law with its commandments and regulations" of Eph abolished, as the text states?

Nah, you wouldn't do that. . .right?

Christ did not die to remove ceremonial things which caused division between jew and gentile. He died so the barrier between God and mankind could be removed.

Eph 2:14-16 reveals that he died for both.

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new man (body of Christ) out of the two, thus making peace, by which he put to death their hostility."

His death on the cross created peace (reconciliation)

1) between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the source of their hostility in the defilement laws, and making them into one new man, the body of Christ, and

2) between God and the one body of Jews and Gentiles (mankind), by forgiveness of their sin through faith his propitiating sacrifice (Ro 3:25), which gave them right standing (not quilty) before God.

His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two (Eph 2:15)
and then reconcile the one new man to God. (Eph 2:16)

 

[Hizikyah]

1) between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the source of their hostility in the defilement laws, and making them into one new man, the body of Christ

what defilement Laws are you talking about?

 

[homwardbound]

No way? I thought. Something was amiss here but now I understand my friend thanks for the info, this worries me even more though now to think people just copying and pasting scripture purely in defence of being corrected is absurd? I've many rooms in my fathers house says The Lord, the biggest room in gods house is the correction room I've lived here many years and still are living here, many want to run before The Lord teaches us to truly walk? .. Jesus is the sum of the law and the fulfilment of the law we obey the law when we reside in him not by compulsion of fear bt by the compulsion of love poured into our hearts by him who is love in and of itself, The Lord Jesus Christ, a gift from the father of us all for the redemption of as many as god wills.. All the effort all the work is of the spirit not us or the threat from the law perfect love casts aside all fear ... But the veil on gods chosen people I'm afraid is not lifted from all even today except today it is still prevalent due to thier own ignorance and refusal to see Christ in grace as a saving faith the letter doesn't save it never will but the grace in Christ endures forever if we will only open our eyes to it... Oh the mind of god is unfathomonable ..... Copying and pasting eh? Astounded at that I am my friend ... Bless all on gods great earth

I got to say, thanks for speaking from the heart of God, knowing you are taking this compliment in humility

 

[homwardbound]

Its as if some here on cc, have maybe 2/3 computers one with the bible on the other to converse on here and are typing pages of scripture with one hand at the same time pasting tons of verses in reply mostly not even answering the original posts question if this is the case and I've bn assured it is by many now not only they not reading questions thoroughly not taking time to listen nor absorb, neither are they first asking themselves has god give me enough insight into this question before I answer?, or going to prayer and asking The Lord for his view then perhaps replying. Speed is not warranted nor helpful when addressing gods word ? The Lord ain't in no rush? Why do some feel the need for rapid replies and quick retorts to posts?, computer skills may be appreciated bt I doubt truth seekers are interested in that at all, I'm becoming learn,ed in things electronic slowly now and I'm of the opinion its an easy tool for many to print endlessly and not have the patience to search the bible itself and try to Instil it to memory of heart, and have full awareness of context into thier very fabric, not just because there's a screen at my side so I can reply in milliseconds for the good of no one? Didnt Jesus say to the scribes of his time just Avin knowledge of the law is futile ? We gta know Jesus in our hearts not just his words on screen ...

maybe become a partaker in place of being or trying to be an imitator, maybe? Enquiring minds might want to know the difference?

 

[Elin]

Did Jesus indeed go to hades to rescue king David ? I was of the view David is in his grave and will remain so until god raises him? Am I mistaken on this?

Well, his body would still be in the grave, no matter where his spirit is,
which is what Jesus would have rescued.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I understand you call the Instructions of righteousness sin. The Law of Yahweh is to show us how we should behave toward Yahweh and our fellow human.

I can show you a number of them where He says we SHOULD keep it. Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

If you can do that I will rethink my views? Is that not fair?

Psalm 119:44-47, "So we will keep Your Law continually and forever! We will walk at for we seek Your precepts! We will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and will not be ashamed. We will delight ourselves in Your Laws, which we love! We will raise our hands up to Your Laws, which we love, and we will meditate on Your statutes.

Better yet.

Show me one passage which says we CAN OBEY IT

Show me one passage where it says it will show us HOW TO BE RIGHTEOUS

You wont find it. Because it says

1. It can;t make us righteous
2. It can;t show us how to be righteous
3. All it can do is expose our sin, and lead us to Christ.

which was its purpose in the first place.

Again, iuf your going to spend every minute of your life trying not to commit adultry, Lie Steal, Covet etc. Your going to miss out on the things God really wants you to focus on, which is the love of others.

 

[Hizikyah]

Better yet.

Show me one passage which says we CAN OBEY IT

Show me one passage where it says it will show us HOW TO BE RIGHTEOUS

You wont find it. Because it says

1. It can;t make us righteous
2. It can;t show us how to be righteous
3. All it can do is expose our sin, and lead us to Christ.

which was its purpose in the first place.

Again, iuf your going to spend every minute of your life trying not to commit adultry, Lie Steal, Covet etc. Your going to miss out on the things God really wants you to focus on, which is the love of others.

You answered my question with a question.

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

I never said we can obey it perfectly but I can show you over and over in the "NT" where ae are told to keep it.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

 

[Josh321]

Pride is a terrible thing, pride blinds alot of people from the truth, their ashame to even think twice because of their pride but in the end it's your souls on the line eternal, that's what i see here, pride blocking people from coming to the truth their ashamed to even consider " what if they are talking about is truth " but they are thinking i don't want to look bad infront of everyone, i would rejoice if i was lead astray by something and someone comes and show me the truth [h=3]1 Timothy 6:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

 

[cfultz3]

You answered my question with a question.

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

I never said we can obey it perfectly but I can show you over and over in the "NT" where ae are told to keep it.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

Do we keep it through our flesh or through our spirit?

 

[Josh321]

You answered my question with a question.

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

I never said we can obey it perfectly but I can show you over and over in the "NT" where ae are told to keep it.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

is this good enough for you? [h=3]Ephesians 2:15[/h]King James Version (KJV)

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


also the word abolish here is meaning that he has fulfilled it in the spirit for us

 

[homwardbound]

I may had misunderstood you, but...
There is only 1 Sacrifice I agree, but if we sin after 100% we need to ask for forgiveness.

1 Yahchanan 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."

there is no forgiveness period without the shedding of blood and in Christ he was the last shedding and last sacrifice, for forgiveness. no more sacrifices to be done/
So in being forgiven 100% now and forever Christ who makes constant intercession for us, we can now and forever approach the throne of grace in confidence that Father will not kill us why?
Because Father who knows no sin, does not see any sin in us thanks to Christ his one and only begotten Son. Why?
So again I can be in the Holies of Holies and say thank you for Son and the taking away of my sins. Now Father can you please teach me how to walk and not sin?
Father replies yes my Son, now that you are finally past the forgiveness issue that my Son took away at the cross

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

So did Father do this or not through his Son Jesus at the cross? And so my response is a continuous thanking and praising so busy, sin has not got a chance
[h=3]1 John 2:1-2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Josh321]

contained in ordinances mean in the OT righteousness had to be obtained by following the 10 commandments but in the NT righteousness is obtained through the spirit of God, which means we don't have to do it by the flesh to be righteous anymore we are already righteous by the spirit of God from the fulfillment of the law from his spirit

 

[Elin]

The law that God establish. . .since the begining of creation
they never change.

The Mosaic Law has changed drastically:

no more Levitcial priesthood,
no more sacrifices,
no more law keeping for righteousness,
no more ceremonial laws of food, defilement and cleansings.
no more Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, etc.

Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me,
to render to every man according to what he has done.

Yes, obedience is the manifestation of the faith that saves.

Don't confuse the faith with its manifestation in obedience.
Don't mix the right things in the wrong way.
Don't mix law (obedience) and grace (faith) in salvation.

Miss Elin

If i remember correctly ,This thread is about what laws are still valid to Christian , it
is not about salvation ,that only comes from excepting Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.

However, it seems righteousness by law keeping keeps rearing its head.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yaaqob 2:22, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and you missing my point, I can further strengthen myself in Yahweh;s Spirit by reading His words and binding them to myself. If left to spirituakl discernment ALL are at risk of mistakes, so I combine the word with Spiritual guidance, when they line up I know im following Yahweh.

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that agives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

There is only one command from God that is life everlasting.

Believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, And YOU WILL BE SAVED. He who has faith in me will never die, Live forever, And be raised on the last day.

No other command will give you life everlasting.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

we were left a book for a reason.

What are gods commands?

Love the lord your God, and your neighbor, IN THESE TWO COMMANDS CONTAIN ALL THE LAW.

If I love, I do not have to worry about the moasic law. Because I will fulfill them/

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eph 2:14-16 reveals that he died for both.

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new man (body of Christ) out of the two, thus making peace, by which he put to death their hostility."

His death on the cross created peace (reconciliation)

1) between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the source of their hostility in the defilement laws, and making them into one new man, the body of Christ, and

2) between God and the one body of Jews and Gentiles (mankind), by forgiveness of their sin through faith his propitiating sacrifice (Ro 3:25), which gave them right standing (not quilty) before God.

His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two (Eph 2:15)
and then reconcile the one new man to God. (Eph 2:16)

lol. ok

Lets have peace between Jew and gentile. that will get us to heaven.

 

[Josh321]

Yaaqob 2:22, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

and example of this is the faith of abraham when he told the man i believe that he is going to give a burnt offering to God and he told his son that God will provide a burnt offering for them when they get there and he work to that faith and when he got to his destination there it was a burnt offering provided from his faith