What Laws are still valid to christians

[homwardbound]

So the real way to avoid delusion is to say and behave as if the Law is done away. That way you won't be deluded?

Hmmm,, things that make you go hmmm.

This way that you speak of brings in excuses as I am forgiven so I can do as I want. Kind of like the same excuse used for I was Drunk, and then there is an enabling of the flesh, using I was drunk. Where others as the Corinthians used well I am forgiven why not since I am forgiven. And so
Paul wrote 1 Cor. to straighten out the heresy, and they repented unto a Godly sorrow, from a worldly one 2 Cor. 7

It is not that one is under the curse of the Law, because of unredeemed flesh, Spirit willing but flesh is weak and can't. We are redeemed in the Spirit of god, alive to God in the Spirit and dead to sinful flesh, here and now where we serve in the Spirit and not the flesh/ guess what Law fulfilled in us.

 

[Elin]

I by the death of Christ am reckoned dead to sin thanks be to God through Son
Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusat
Again you have yet to show me any scripture that says we are to ask for anymore forgiveness after Christ's death on the cross
Confession is not forgiveness. It is confessing I have sinned, it is not forgiveness!!!!!!!!!!!
Please Sister rightly divide the word of truth

Is John addressing believers or unbelievers in his letter, 1Jn?

Is he addressing the saved or the unsaved?

 

[homwardbound]

You are trying to not be filthy, that is good.

But your trying is filthy rags, on your own.

The only trying you need, in order to be cleansed, is to come before the Lord Jesus Christ and ask to be cleansed.

Don't you know what cleanses us?

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
What can make me white as snow? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
No other fount I know. Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

And by this blood of Jesus what are we enabled to do, in the born again life? Yes Love as God loves? so this is why Paul many times said to put no confidence in flesh and consider oneself dead to flesh and thus be alive to God. Can there ever be any sin behavior in God's Spirit?
Phil 3 covers this real well 1:11 verses. And were we called to sin, and continue in it, I think not. At Least according to Romans 6:1-11 and even further all the way to Chapter 8, it shows what flesh does, not so that we can excuse flesh sin, so we can be dead to flesh sin through Faith (belief)

Thanks

 

[Elin]

IJohn was written by John from the island of Patmos, to a leader of the gathering of people that believed in Christ, and there was division in that gathering,
Gnostics that did not believe that Christ came in the flesh, because flesh is sinful. so by this belief they as well
thought since they believed this way they did not have a sin nature of flesh either

That doesn't make sense.

The second doesn't follow from the first, it contradicts the first.

If you study history, you might know this is the truth of John's letter,

If you've presented history correctly, then history is contradictory.

 

[just-me]

Nothing But the Blood

This is for you Hizikyah my friend!! This is the way we do it in Tn.

 

[Elin]

thanks are you straining out gnats, be careful that you do not swallow a camel as the Pharisees did
love you sister

Feelin' a little snarky today?

 

[homwardbound]

My flesh died with Christ. But unfortunately, it still pops up so I do the things I don;t want to do.

but by the death of Christ is the believer's death to the self and one is alive to God
Now those that are Christ's
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
So maybe if you quit allowing for flesh to live , and ask god daily to be co-crucified with Christ daily, do you think you might get too busy in the spirit of god and might not sin
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

If I do not reckon me dead to flesh sin, then I am allowing sin in period
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
It is all over the epistles to us all to be dead to the flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God via the resurrected Christ
When the disciples received the Spirit of God from on high, was there flesh alive according to God anymore thanks to Christ?
Not their old flesh, now they were dead to flesh and the Spirit held that old flesh alive via the new born again Spirit that God just gave them, that there would have been no one actually saved without this Spirit of God living through them and today this is the same, for God to live through us in the power of the Holy Ghost, bringing salvation to those that hear the truth from God in the Holy Ghosts words, just as Matt 10:20 states
Thanks
[h=3]Matthew 10:20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
I know what I have decided anyone else want the Holy Ghost to do the speaking?

 

[Josh321]

How, in the world , can one be a "former 'Jew' "? I am what I am, and that can never change! I am part Scoh, part Abernacke (upstate N.Y. indian) what else, I don't know, That will never change. The phsical never changes, it is the spiritual that changes. We can spiritually see others with spiritual eyes but the physical never changes. You .we, still have to deal with a woman ,up on stage, in worship, shaking her , you know what, and men ,trying to keep their minds on Jesus , SO. we don't let women, who shake too much, lead worship. some .just can not control, the ,you know what. I think, the ethic, national distinstions will continue to eternity, but the sexuality will be gone. Anoher thought, some of you like being a robot, and let Jesus,God, do all the living thru us,for you, I don't think so, "I live in the flesh" paul said, by the faith, power of God given my in Jesus, but I do it ,not Jesus. Jesus does not "live His life through us". Love to all. Hoffco

everyone is one in christ, i'm not a gentile anymore i'm a child of God

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus is the true vine? We the branches if we remove Jesus and replace by law we will wither slowly and die? How do we please god ?, by believing that Jesus died for us rose again and has given us the Holy Spirit as a deposit that we are indeed his own through time Jesus gets the believer to live a life that's pleasing unto him not perfect faultless living because in the flesh this just isn't possible ?, so trusting in what Jesus did for us and trusting him to fulfill the scripture in us which reads ? Phil 1 v6 this is the surety we have?? For he who began a good work in us shall also bring its completion?? Shall I who cause birth not also being to delivery?? God in us is our surety that he will complete the work he? Being The Lord amen

Any tree branch that is not connected to the tree dies and can't ever produce any true fruit, fake yes, if you see what I use as in being man flesh as the tree branch, that needs to abide in the tree, Jesus Christ, without one is dead, and with works are done, real ones

 

[homwardbound]

no laws are valid today. we are not under law. we are under grace by faith. the bible states if you base your salvation on law and work, your worship in in vain. the law was abolish and nailed to the cross the Bible states.

the enmity was, not the Spirit of the Law, you are right in what you say, yet it goes much deeper that just to say oh well I can do this, and harm others inn the process, without being aware.
God did not reconcile us to be slothful, read the letter to the Corinthians, in Paul corrections to them being of slothful flesh.
praying God reveals this to you

 

[homwardbound]

Jetson? Bang on ? This is the truth no ifs or buts or maybee,s we are saved by grace lest Jesus died for nothing and it saves no one ? This is totally against the bibles teaching I for one would not get tangled up in law when my lord tells me I'm free in him? Not free to sin but free to trust him this I would never change for legalism?

Amen!!!!! Brother and God through us by belief is the doer of what we ourselves could never do, and that would be Love all God's way.

 

[royalscot]

if jesus spoke to the crowd in parables, dont you think, pick up your cross and follow me, could also mean , we are all going to die. in the flesh. most of the new testament writers were martered, not because of there fruit, but because they belived in jesus.

 

[homwardbound]

Uh, yeah. The question is what Law do you obey? Some ethereal idea or the Ten Commandments.

The laws of love, those two are the fulfillment of all law and not one can even do this without first seeing that:
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[Hoffco]

Please keeping in mind, the spiritual does not wipe out the physical. Th physical circumcism can be a health thing to do. but God does not requirer it as a duty to do, only a libery to do ,if you, or your parents chose to do. In the Philippines the custom is to circumcise your teen males. to me this is stupid. I can remember ,as a teen boy getting bad infections , because I didn't bath properly. This happens to young Phil. boys. So, my late wife and I, 44yrs ago choose to cir. our boys at birth, that was a personal choice, no one forced it upon us. This is N.T. liberty ,not law. Hoffco

 

[homwardbound]

You know Homeward, you get where H and I are coming from. Thanks.

Not one part of the word in truth from God contradicts god anywhere at any time, so whenever I see what LOOKS like a contradiction, I ask God and wait on God to reveal truth to me that not only sets me free in God through Christ, but keeps me free.
For I know this as Fact that if anyone is in bondage from loving others as God does, then there is error in that ones truth and might need to rethink their truth all over again, to be set free unto the liberty we all are called to be in
Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

Uh, lemme see...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Seems to say here that keeping His Commandments pleases Him.

And those commands are the laws of Love God's way right
Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

 

[homwardbound]

if it was that we wouldn't had an argument in the first place, because that is exactly what i am saying

you sound just as stubborn as the flesh is, which does not please God at all or does it Brother?

 

[homwardbound]

So, it is true. Faith does not make void the Law, but upholds it.

But we all must understand that it is not upheld by our flesh, seeing that we would never be found justified by the Christ.

It is upheld by hearkening to the Spirit who leads to the Life.

The more we succumb to Him, the less the child's correction is and the more naturally pleasing we become.

Yes 100% correct and this is written by Paul about not making void the Law
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, Lord, to work: for they have made void thy law.

So whoever makes void the Law as in the Spirit are just as bad as those that try to do the Law in their flesh that is.
Christ came to kill the flesh at the death of him at the cross and then bring life to those that believe him in the resurrection.
The total operation is done by God and none other, God gets all the credit period and no works this way ever burn up, just as Midrach shadrach and Abednego kept there trust in God and did not burn up after being put in the furnace by King Nebuchadnezzar , and when he looked in he saw a fourth man in the fire dancing with them, which was the Christ that went to the cross for us, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! again to the amazement of Father through Son

too simple, way to miraculous wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the Mercy oh my

 

[homwardbound]

I don't understand your question.

the statement that I made is it truth or false

Originally Posted by homwardbound

That is about the letter of the Law, not the Spirit of the Law of Love, that is spread abroad in the born again believer, is this truth?

Does the born again believer receive the love of God spread abroad in them or not?

 

[just-me]

So, it is true. Faith does not make void the Law, but upholds it.

But we all must understand that it is not upheld by our flesh, seeing that we would never be found justified by the Christ.

It is upheld by hearkening to the Spirit who leads to the Life.

The more we succumb to Him, the less the child's correction is and the more naturally pleasing we become.

Very Very true. Thank you brother for describing those things so well so others can really understand what we believe. That understanding has been hidden for quite some time. Take the blinders off and see the truth. Hopefully your statements will do that. Time will tell. Let all things be brought into the light. What is done in secret will be shouted from the house tops.