What Laws are still valid to christians
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I find the instructions on how to love in the law according to
Deuteronomy 6:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Matthew 22:36-40 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Leviticus 19:11-18 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
This is how I see it and I'm sure you see it the same way. God bless you
Deuteronomy 6:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Matthew 22:36-40 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Leviticus 19:11-18 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
This is how I see it and I'm sure you see it the same way. God bless you
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A physical women or a spirit? What ever method a person perception is, that is how they will be judge. I know that if someone is weak ( As a woman is considered to be physically weak than a man) spiritually, shouldn't teach others for if they has fallen, the ones that the person has taught, will fall also. It will be like the blind leading the blind. A person much strengthen themselves spiritually first, and then they'll be able to help guide others in the right direction.
John 6:63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
John 6:63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
Jesus' NT revelation (Heb 1:1-2, given through the writers of the NT, sees it this way, which is a whole lot simpler:
The Mosaic laws applied until the NT
when they were set aside (Heb 7:12, 18-19) and abolished (Eph 2:15)
as the way to righteousness and salvation,
because they were weak and useless to obtain them,
and were replaced with Christ Jesus' law of love (Mt 22:37-40, 5:43-47; Jn 13:34; Ro 13:8-10),
which has been written on our hearts (Heb 8:10), and
which fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 10), for
if I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols;
if I love my parents, I will not dishonor them;
if I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit adultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions,
because love fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 10).
The law which Jesus and the NT present for our obedience is the Decalogue, not the whole Mosaic law.
Love doesn't need myriad regulations to know how to be kind, caring and generous, or helpful, serving and respectful, or how not to harm, dishonor, or violate others, or how to make restitution to those we wrong.
They are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit of love.
The Mosaic laws applied until the NT
when they were set aside (Heb 7:12, 18-19) and abolished (Eph 2:15)
as the way to righteousness and salvation,
because they were weak and useless to obtain them,
and were replaced with Christ Jesus' law of love (Mt 22:37-40, 5:43-47; Jn 13:34; Ro 13:8-10),
which has been written on our hearts (Heb 8:10), and
which fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 10), for
if I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols;
if I love my parents, I will not dishonor them;
if I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit adultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions,
because love fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 10).
The law which Jesus and the NT present for our obedience is the Decalogue, not the whole Mosaic law.
Love doesn't need myriad regulations to know how to be kind, caring and generous, or helpful, serving and respectful, or how not to harm, dishonor, or violate others, or how to make restitution to those we wrong.
They are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit of love.
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Math 5:20 Not only did Jesus keep the law established he said that "unless our righteousness exceed the law which the scribes and pharisees were under we would not enter the kingdom of heaven"(21) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time , thou shall not kill (old law)(22) but I say unto you whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of judgement.(new law) (27) you have heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shall not commit adultery(old law) But I say unto you who ever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already in his heart(new law) (38) You have heard that it has been said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth(old law) but I say unto you that you resist not evil; but who ever smites you on the right cheek turn him the other also.(new fulfilled law)(43) You have heard that it hath been said, thou shall love thy neighbor and hate your enemy(old) but I say unto you, love your enemy bless them that curse you and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you.(new) That you may be children of your father which is in heaven; because he makes the sun to shine on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without the law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the gentiles ,which have not the law,do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which shew the law written in their hearts. Praise God for his Indwelling Spirit
I'll never agree with you on this one.Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Romans 8:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
I don't read that the law was abolished, I read that the enmity was abolished. There is a difference in my book. Even the phrase that says that Christ is the end of the law doesn't mean it's abolished. Strong's relates end and fulfill the same. The task is complete. Love is the fulfilling of the law and the instigation thereof is written in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. When God's Word is everlasting, I take His word for it.
If one could agree that enmity was the law of God, then I could agree. Enmity means hostility and opposition. If you actually think that defines the Mosaic law, then I can see your point, but I don't see any part of God as hostile or in opposition to to me. If He was I couldn't believe that God is love. It's our carnal mind that is in opposition to God's purpose according to ALL of His Word. I think you understand my adamant belief now. GBU
Matthew 24:35 (KJV)
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Isaiah 40:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
All scripture it says, but you knew that.
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Romans 8:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
I don't read that the law was abolished, I read that the enmity was abolished. There is a difference in my book. Even the phrase that says that Christ is the end of the law doesn't mean it's abolished. Strong's relates end and fulfill the same. The task is complete. Love is the fulfilling of the law and the instigation thereof is written in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. When God's Word is everlasting, I take His word for it.
If one could agree that enmity was the law of God, then I could agree. Enmity means hostility and opposition. If you actually think that defines the Mosaic law, then I can see your point, but I don't see any part of God as hostile or in opposition to to me. If He was I couldn't believe that God is love. It's our carnal mind that is in opposition to God's purpose according to ALL of His Word. I think you understand my adamant belief now. GBU
Matthew 24:35 (KJV)
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Isaiah 40:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
All scripture it says, but you knew that.
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
So its not wrong to put on sandals for the right reason (i.e. to serve the Lord in love), but if we do this, it could be because our faith is weak? And at the same time, we are not to judge, because we don't know the motives of another (e.g. with Timothy, other Christians may have thought his faith was weak (if they had judged), but the reason he strapped on sandals from Paul (Acts 16) was so he could witness to other Jews, not as a merit-earning, defilement-cleansing ceremony).
I understand what you're saying, and I agree. Thanks.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree. Thanks.
You can do a lot of really "dumb" things, and in a really stupid way, for the right reason,
and God counts it all righteousness.
And you'll be in glory with the best of 'em!
Only God!
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"Even" means "that is."
The enmity of Eph 2:15, which is not the only enmity in the NT, was the ordinances of the law,
specifically the defilement laws which, in effect, kept the Jews separated from the Gentiles
and were the source of the Jews' hostility toward, and the wall of separation between, the Gentiles.
The Mosaic law causing that hostility and wall was abolished, set aside as weak and useless
for righteousness (Heb 7:18-19), thereby making peace between Jew and Gentile (Eph 2:15).
The enmity of Eph 2:15, which is not the only enmity in the NT, was the ordinances of the law,
specifically the defilement laws which, in effect, kept the Jews separated from the Gentiles
and were the source of the Jews' hostility toward, and the wall of separation between, the Gentiles.
The Mosaic law causing that hostility and wall was abolished, set aside as weak and useless
for righteousness (Heb 7:18-19), thereby making peace between Jew and Gentile (Eph 2:15).
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It's important to to mix the blood letting rituals that where perscribed by the law, with the other no blood related laws.
Circumcision was stopped when His pure blood was shed for us. Circumcision
is of the heart today, our love for God The Almighty.
Deuteronomy 10:12-16
King James Version (KJV)
12 And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the Lord, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the Lord's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
15 Only the Lord had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Jeremiah 4:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Philippians 3:3 - For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Colossians 2:11-15
King James Version (KJV)
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Circumcision was stopped when His pure blood was shed for us. Circumcision
is of the heart today, our love for God The Almighty.
Deuteronomy 10:12-16
King James Version (KJV)
12 And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the Lord, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the Lord's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
15 Only the Lord had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Jeremiah 4:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Philippians 3:3 - For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Colossians 2:11-15
King James Version (KJV)
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
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The way these things are worded some times can be confusing if your not careful. Circumcision is even used in different ways; for example : uncircumcision to describe gentiles, or circumcision without hands ( Colossians 2:11 ) , relates to when God said when you make me an altar, you keep your hands off of it. This is because everything that man makes he messes up. Man simply can't do anything right without the Holy Spirit leading him within the will of God. The word is used in many ways . And when you see laws, sometimes its talking about the blood letting laws to forgive sin ( which stopped ).
The circumcision today is of the heart ( love ; men or women ) to God The Almighty.
Physical circumcision was stopped when Christs pure blood was shed for us. Circumcision
Colossians 2:11-15
King James Version (KJV)
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
( This circumcision of the heart is for both men and women, and has nothing to do with flesh. Before the Christ went to the cross, circumcision was of the world, but after the cross of Christ, it cuts all sin away from a person. You get to the point of thinking of things of God, rather then centering everything around the things of the world. When you are in Christ by faith, then even evil thoughts can be controlled through the Spirit of God. )
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
( You should know the difference between the law and ordinances. It is not speaking of the law here, but blood ordinances [rituals]. In the Greek it can even be translated "dogma". Christ nail all those ordinances of blood sacrifices and ritual to the cross. He blotted out the requirement for those ordinances.
Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"
God abolished through the flesh of Jesus Christ not the law, but the "the law of commandments contained in ordinances". It was not the law done away with, but the ordinances that are in the law. And when we are in Christ there is true peace and that is the only real peace. the world today is crying peace, peace everywhere, and the world is full of violence everywhere. )
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
The circumcision today is of the heart ( love ; men or women ) to God The Almighty.
Physical circumcision was stopped when Christs pure blood was shed for us. Circumcision
Colossians 2:11-15
King James Version (KJV)
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
( This circumcision of the heart is for both men and women, and has nothing to do with flesh. Before the Christ went to the cross, circumcision was of the world, but after the cross of Christ, it cuts all sin away from a person. You get to the point of thinking of things of God, rather then centering everything around the things of the world. When you are in Christ by faith, then even evil thoughts can be controlled through the Spirit of God. )
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
( You should know the difference between the law and ordinances. It is not speaking of the law here, but blood ordinances [rituals]. In the Greek it can even be translated "dogma". Christ nail all those ordinances of blood sacrifices and ritual to the cross. He blotted out the requirement for those ordinances.
Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"
God abolished through the flesh of Jesus Christ not the law, but the "the law of commandments contained in ordinances". It was not the law done away with, but the ordinances that are in the law. And when we are in Christ there is true peace and that is the only real peace. the world today is crying peace, peace everywhere, and the world is full of violence everywhere. )
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:
Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "
Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.
Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."
[h=4]enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)[/h] Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
The oppisition to yahweh;s instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.
Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in oppisition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.
Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Again:
"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"
