What Laws are still valid to christians

[Isdaniel]

Look brother above you say that "i know what you say is not truth "

So you really think that I wan to lie to you.

People have motives my own is to help.

Some people seem ready oters are everywhere.

So wht do you tyhink that I am lying?

i think you do not even know you are lieing and that is scary

 

[wordsponge]

i think you do not even know you are lieing and that is scary

I told you that Spiritual things are like lies to carnal people.

We cannot help that.

Christ was also accused of lying.

Take care.

 

[Isdaniel]

I told you that Spiritual things are like lies to carnal people.

We cannot help that.

Christ was also accused of lying.

Take care.

take care also

sabbath blesings hmmm wait i take that back because you do not want a sabbath blessing hmm

God Bless and hallow it

Christians are to be bless and hallowed and i wonder why

 

[wordsponge]

take care also

sabbath blesings hmmm wait i take that back because you do not want a sabbath blessing hmm

God Bless and hallow it

Christians are to be bless and hallowed and i wonder why

Some day the Jesus that sacres you will tell you.

 

[Kerry]

Just picture this. The day that the law was given some 3,000 people died. The first day that the gospel was preached by Peter through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, some 3,000 were saved and filled with the Holy Spirit. What does that tell you.

 

[Gjolll]

Just picture this. The day that the law was given some 3,000 people died. The first day that the gospel was preached by Peter through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, some 3,000 were saved and filled with the Holy Spirit. What does that tell you.

I loved your use of statistics, and I wondered if there was some significance to them, but I can only think that the number three thousand in both passages is coincidental and is anyway approximate in Acts 2;41. The law as it applies to human-human and human-divine relations carries on into Christianity (cf Roms 3;31 - "we establish the law") such that violations are enjoined on the church to punish with excommunication. cf 1 Cor 5, and sundry other injunctions to excommunicate who commit immorality, are greedy and who only stir up dissension. It is rather the punishments that change in the NT where the only power of the church is excommunication. From a historical perspective the unity of church and State has entailed that the State Churches did not have to worry too much about excommunication, as the State handled the criminal element, but since the effective separation, churches are once more requires to practice excommunication. The problem is that they don't and then they wonder why people ignore them.

One law that I would personally like to see enforced in churches in the law for women to cover their heads (1 Cor 11). The apostolic injunction is hardly optional, for the way it is written, it is a universal law for all churches, and churches where the law is not practiced don't even have to be regarded as churches of God at all. If a true church was defined by whether a woman was required to cover her head in church, there wouldn't be many churches.

 

[john832]

Just picture this. The day that the law was given some 3,000 people died. The first day that the gospel was preached by Peter through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, some 3,000 were saved and filled with the Holy Spirit. What does that tell you.

Question is what Law? The Ten Commandments were in force at least from Adam...


Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

 

[homwardbound]

***
Hello all,

Thanks for the great edification.....

It is beneficial for us and our unity to acknowlwdge our New Priests under our New High Priest.

2 Cor.3
[5] Not that we (Apostles) are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves;
but our sufficiency is of God;
[6] Who also hath made us able Ministers of the New Testament;
not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 Cor.4
[1] Let a man so account of us (Apostles), as of the ministers of Christ,
and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Isa.61
[6] But ye (Apostles) shall be named the Priests of the LORD:
men shall call you the Ministers of our God:
you shall eat the (spititual) riches of the Gentiles,
and in their (the Gentiles') glorification you shall boast yourselves.

Then we restore the correct, instantly, effectve, baptism method.

Go with great zeal >>>>>

Zeal is in and of the flesh, God is a Spirit and can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth, yet Thank you for edifying as best as you see, for God knows who are his and who are not, praying for all to come to belief in the finished work of Christ at the cross in order to see the new life in the Spirit at the resurrected Christ, Thank you

 

[homwardbound]

Hello,

Nice picture.

It begins with the STRENGTENED and QUICKENED ONES.

Correct return (= baptism) is essential.

Keep well

Question for you, would that be Water or Spirit Baptism?

 

[homwardbound]

***
Hello my friend,

We are the desire of GOD, our Father and the Work of his hand = Jesus, through the Spirit.

I know of only ONE way to make contact with Christ and that is through CORRECT baptism.
Anything short of that is people believing and saving themselves ....Frustrating and impossible.


Keep well

Okay and in your opinion, what is correct Baptism?

 

[homwardbound]

Hi, all of God's law is valid to me. I know I am saved in Jesus name, for what He did and can not obey law in my flesh. That does not mean that I disregard all law, for it is useful in my understanding of my sin. Whether we try to obey any of God's law should be a personal choice.

Was Paul's words God's law? Or was it instruction to bring about order in a particular situation? I don't know the answer to that, but I know that I don't know. All the years I've heard arguments both for and against. The arguing seems wrong to me, that much I know.

So maybe, view what happened to Saul, who became Paul.
He was in the Arabian desert for years and was being taught truth over error there.
So take picture of this: Paul was now standing before Christ and Christ said to Paul turn around and Paul did and saw a Chalk board, with an eraser and chalk, written on this chalk Board was Saul's life from birth onto that very day.
And Christ said to Paul pick up that eraser and erase your entire life from birth on to this day. Paul did this and Christ had him pick up the chalk and begin writing his new life in the Spirit of God.
Do you hear this for you too, I hear it for me Daily, putting past behind me, learning from it in whether I trusted God or not, learning to trust God deeper and deeper each day as I go about in this world, is this not the same for us all to be as Paul came to be?
alatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Is the above just for Paul or for all the believe God? Christ is the author and finisher of our Faith or are we? That is the conflict, flesh verses Spirit of God

 

[homwardbound]

one can be baptise properly and still lost

1 Corinthians 10

King James Version (KJV)

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

Eve though this is truth they ever entered God's rest why? Because of unbelief? Hebrews 3 and 4, newer translations have misinterpreted this as dis obedience, and many interpret that as not obeying Law.
And all that is true, but how does or can one love God and neighbor as Christ loved us, unless one "BELIEVES"
Original states because of unbelief they never entered God's rest.

 

[homwardbound]

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With due respect.

Jesus said:
John.14
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. (Not Moses')

The Doctrine of Moses is not = The Doctrine of Christ/ the Mighty God.
Jesus supersedes Moses.

On the matter of Gentiles.

God had promised Abraham.

Paul said that Gentile invitation was not widely known previosus to the Apostles.

Eph.3
[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, (as the previously separated Israelites)
and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

GOD offered rest (= Christ). The people refused.

Isa.1
[11] For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people (of Israel).
[12] To whom he said,
This (Jesus) is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to >> rest;
and this is the >> refreshing: yet they >>> would not hear.

Matt.11
[28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you >> rest.
[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find >>> rest unto your souls.

Paul, also taught on the end of Sabbaths.
He also taught that it is a preference if an individual wants to keep a day holy.
He also said that if he rebuilt what he destroyed that he would be found to be a transgressor.

We have to eat the whole meal.

This is not man's Doctrine and we cannot compromise any thing.

Grace is great when we use the Strait Gate
and crossover to Christ and find his Father also there.

The best to you.

Just a little something to say as I read here and saw written on stone it came to me, God wrote on stone for to show us our stone hearts in need of the new heart. Man having a heart of stone. Through Christ he gives us a new heart a heart of flesh originally contained by Adam and Eve before the fall. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love beyond measure, Father's through Son given to each of us
Anyway, take it anyway you might, no matter just being shown.
Flesh = heart of stone
Spirit of God = full life in Love eternally

 

[homwardbound]

Ephesians 2:15-16

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the nmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "

Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The oppisition to yahweh;s instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in oppisition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Again:

"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"

Would that be 316 commandments or the heart of Love? I know you know it is God's Love that fulfills all commandments given through Moses right? So the written on our heart, new hearts is LOVE God's type yes?

 

[john832]

Just a little something to say as I read here and saw written on stone it came to me, God wrote on stone for to show us our stone hearts in need of the new heart. Man having a heart of stone. Through Christ he gives us a new heart a heart of flesh originally contained by Adam and Eve before the fall. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love beyond measure, Father's through Son given to each of us
Anyway, take it anyway you might, no matter just being shown.
Flesh = heart of stone
Spirit of God = full life in Love eternally

Your statements contradict. The old heart is a heart of stone, the new heart is a heart of flesh yet you roundly condemn the flesh?

 

[homwardbound]

Yahshua did say "If you love Me, keep My commandments" lets look at what He Commanded:

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Try breaking one of these and still be loving your brother:

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."

Leviticus 19:34, "The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh."

Leviticus 17:16, "You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh."

I understand its easier to ignor f one says "its from Moses!"

But when Yahweh's Laws are given it doesn't say

"do this. I AM MOSES!!!!!!!"

It says:

Leviticus 17:16, "You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh."

And all you have written entails God's love given to us through Christ at the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of Father, which today is the only way God the Father can be worshipped No flesh, only the Spirit of God can do this if we believe God, Which I see you do. Through Christ living in me and more importantly through me is all Law fulfilled or not?

 

[homwardbound]

"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness"

This poor use of translating Greek has led many astray.

"Messiah is the ultimate result of the Law unto righteousness"

For if it means the end of the Law here the exact same word would have to mean the end of all righteousness in other Scripture...

How is righteousness attained through the Law, me obeying it or through the finished work of Christ on the cross?
Who is the only one righteous?

 

[homwardbound]

A judge has no power to pardon anyone. In the US only a governor or executive ruler can pardon. A judge can acquit of charges, but he has no authority to pardon once a verdict has been reached.

A pardoned person has been declared guilty, but has been freed from punishment. He is still guilty under the law, and still has a guilty conscience.

In Christ we have been acquitted of all charges for violating the law, and as a result have a clean conscience before GOD.

You basically believe the same thing that Finneyism teaches.

In Christ we have Diplomatic immunity, and because of this pardon we love as we have been loved. We do not try to love, we(I) respond to this unfathomable love that flesh can't comprehend. Only comprehended by God to us those that God has given god's Mercy to
Diplomatic immunity in the Spirit of God the Father through Christ the Son. completed in Christ and Christ alone, we are followers of the leader Father through the Holy Ghost. The deeper one sees they are loved the deeper one loves back?

 

[DecentGuy]

In Christ we have Diplomatic immunity, and because of this pardon we love as we have been loved. We do not try to love, we(I) respond to this unfathomable love that flesh can't comprehend. Only comprehended by God to us those that God has given god's Mercy to
Diplomatic immunity in the Spirit of God the Father through Christ the Son. completed in Christ and Christ alone, we are followers of the leader Father through the Holy Ghost. The deeper one sees they are loved the deeper one loves back?

Nice to meet you @homwardbound

A very apt post, at least they cannot nail us to the cross !!!

cheers
DecentGuy

 

[homwardbound]

Zechariah 3

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

And sponging off of the verse highlighted. seeing it is God that causes one to stop, takes away sin, and is the one that clothes us in his righteousness to partake in. LORD I BELIEVE and thank you through Son it is done, knowing you will do in me what has been done in Son. Thank you Jesus and show me I trust Father and you Son Christ to do what is needed in me. End of story at least for me. I am now at rest, eating rest everyday. Hebrews 3 and 4 talk of this eternal rest found in Father through Christ