What Laws are still valid to christians

[homwardbound]

13. Christianity tries hard to ignore Mary Magdalene, to shunt her into the role of an object lesson, but Jesus made it obvious she was an apostle, too.

For he came not to save the self-righteous, rather the sinner
[h=3]Luke 18:9-14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[homwardbound]

Did Jesus the Mighty God baptize?

Yes in Spirit not water. John's Baptism was not Christ's Baptism although Christ had need at that time before the cross to be water Baptized for the announcement form John that the Messiah has arrived, and they believed not. The religious leaders of his day.
John said it straight the he only Baptized with water for repentance, but the one (Christ) that comes after him Baptizes with the Holy Spirit with Fire
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

So which Baptism are we under today? After the cross and ascension? Water or Spirit? many say both , and I say okay, which one saves?

 

[homwardbound]

Is ther a difference between an Apostle and a disciple ?

Apostles are ones that actually witnessed Christ's life, death, burial and resurrection
Disciples are believers afterwards that believe what the apostles say is truth about Christ, and this includes Paul who says not worthy to be but by God is born out of due time to be called an apostle, only exception in being an Apostle
The Faith of God went to the Gentiles without Law, by faith we are saved and do as God leads, forsaking the flesh nature daily as dead.
Read Acts 10, about how this new life came without Law any including water Baptism, was done after they received the Holy Ghost. And peter rehearsed in Acts 11 what took place and remembered what God said about the difference in water and Spirit Baptism
[h=3]Acts 11:16-17[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

would that include us who are we to stand in the way of the Lord and say you must do this or that, wen it by belief that one is saved, no adding to the fact that by the death we are made this:
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Yes Brothers and Sisters by his death we are presented Holy to Father Why?
So we can have a new life in the Spirit of God through the resurrected Christ by the operation of Father unto us that believe it is done and so now walk as he walked in not trust to self, but in the spirit of God
For:
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[homwardbound]

Can one be not baptise and be saved in God's kingdom ?

That depends are you talking water or Spirit of God Baptism?

 

[homwardbound]

my favourite is this because it is the key to answered prayers

proverbs 28

9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Oh I heard the Law, tried desperately to obey it perfectly and it killed me, thanking God for that today daily, because without that I would not know truth about my flesh that I was born with that is incapable of fulfilling Law and or prophets. The Law was my schoolmaster, and has done its Job in showing me my need for Christ, to be perfect in and through Christ's death unto Father to made a new alive in the Spirit of Father after I chose to be dead to self by through the death of Christ, unto the life where God makes us alive in God in the Spirit no other way to Father but through Christ that I see after spending many years trying to be right as in doing the Law
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.irit with Father serving Fathefr in Spirit and truth

 

[homwardbound]

Some day when spirit leads you into all truth you will know the truth.
I was amazed.

Jesus knows all. He was there from the beginning.

GOD does not need anyone to cove for him.
He needs to be inquired from.

Actually as I see it, it is an understanding of the truth the whole truth that sets one free and if we are not free and in bondage then there has to be error in ones truth
For it is the truth that sets one free only, error puts and keeps one in bondage

as you said wordsponge we need to inquire from God first God's Mercy not sacrifice, see the final, sacrifice done by Christ and receive the Mercy to new life in the Spirit of God, thanks

 

[homwardbound]

i speak the things that i have be given by my Father and the truth is in Jesus and as long as people worship on a Sunday and call that there sabbath they accept beast worship
you speak things you know not but

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
get it under the new Covenant we are to first get god's type of Love spread abroad in us best described in 1Cor. 13:4-13 that no flesh can do. All flesh can do is do 1Cor.13:1-3 and is to no avail.
Sabbath rest in the new Covenant is every day, and there are those that have one day above another, So what do we do?

[h=3]Romans 14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. [SUP]14[/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [SUP]17 [/SUP]for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[homwardbound]

I told you that Spiritual things are like lies to carnal people.

We cannot help that.

Christ was also accused of lying.

Take care.

Okay is this truth It is finished at the cross of Christ we are by Crist's death made Holy to Father to be made alive in the Spirit of father to be led from Father after this operation of God by the resurrected Christ?
Is there anymore to do, besides believe God the Father through the Son it is done by Faith, or are we to continue to work at it?

 

[homwardbound]

I loved your use of statistics, and I wondered if there was some significance to them, but I can only think that the number three thousand in both passages is coincidental and is anyway approximate in Acts 2;41. The law as it applies to human-human and human-divine relations carries on into Christianity (cf Roms 3;31 - "we establish the law") such that violations are enjoined on the church to punish with excommunication. cf 1 Cor 5, and sundry other injunctions to excommunicate who commit immorality, are greedy and who only stir up dissension. It is rather the punishments that change in the NT where the only power of the church is excommunication. From a historical perspective the unity of church and State has entailed that the State Churches did not have to worry too much about excommunication, as the State handled the criminal element, but since the effective separation, churches are once more requires to practice excommunication. The problem is that they don't and then they wonder why people ignore them.

One law that I would personally like to see enforced in churches in the law for women to cover their heads (1 Cor 11). The apostolic injunction is hardly optional, for the way it is written, it is a universal law for all churches, and churches where the law is not practiced don't even have to be regarded as churches of God at all. If a true church was defined by whether a woman was required to cover her head in church, there wouldn't be many churches.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So what is it we are to establish about the Law?
first is it Holy? Yes it is
What about when it flows through me, my flesh what does it do?
Kill you, punish you, put you in court found guilty and must pay right?
The Law shows punishment of ones flesh that is not perfect and never pleases God in flesh ever.
Christ is the only one of flesh that ever pleased God period, and no flesh can enter the kingdom of heaven, not today ever
Christ is the propitiation for all sin of the world. Now through Christ one is made Holy to Father to give you new life in Father in the Spirit of
Believe or not believe your free choice.
So the Law's purpose was and is to establish our inability of flesh to behave 100% perfectly. Then we seek the Mercy of God through Son, Christ and are made anew in the Spirit of God where today is the only way Father can be worshipped
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I have never to this day been pulled over by a police officer and told by the (law) police, I just wanted to pull you over and tell you thank you for obeying Law.
Law shows us our need for God to have and trust God in doing what is right, no one can truly love without first seeing the Love of God
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

so is it all God or not?

 

[homwardbound]

Your statements contradict. The old heart is a heart of stone, the new heart is a heart of flesh yet you roundly condemn the flesh?

sorry that you just do not understand. the new heart of flesh is the original heart of Adam and Eve before they ate from that tree of death. That is what is restored but more, we are now able to eat from the tree of life (Jesus Christ) having life eternal given to us from Father through Son's finished work, and that's all folks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is what it is
Father did it all through Christ for us a free gift to us those that believe there is no ore work to be done, we are now news reporters of the great news from God through Christ unto us, and to all who will believe God that it is finished by Son not editors of what is truth.
Is this below scripture truth or error from /God to us through Son? and can nay one improve on this truth?
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

there are many more scriptures that state our forgiveness from God is now after the cross past tense we are forgiven
Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Romans 4:7 saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.

It has all to do with Faith, do you believe this to be true or not that simple tha tis what the Holy Ghost is asking you and all right here and now? Your free choice to either believe or not?
John 16 talks about the purpose of the Holy Ghost and for us to consciously make the choice to believe God it is finished for us through him, by the cross of Son or we have to do more?
your conscious choice right here right for you to believe or not, and when the day comes there will be no excuse, having made the conscious choice of believing God or not, that it is finished you are by God through Christ made Holy to Father

 

[homwardbound]

Nice to meet you @homwardbound

A very apt post, at least they cannot nail us to the cross !!!

cheers
DecentGuy

Thanks, I, laughed loudly in joy and peace over that, a merry hear tis medicine to the Soul

 

[john832]

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
get it under the new Covenant we are to first get god's type of Love spread abroad in us best described in 1Cor. 13:4-13 that no flesh can do. All flesh can do is do 1Cor.13:1-3 and is to no avail.
Sabbath rest in the new Covenant is every day, and there are those that have one day above another, So what do we do?

Romans 14

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. [SUP]14[/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [SUP]17 [/SUP]for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath. It is about judging a weaker brother...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

And two subjects are dealt with, vegetarianism...

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

And fast days...

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Notice...

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

did they fast twice in a week? Yep. On particular days? Yep! From John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible...

I fast twice in the week,.... Not "on the sabbath", as the words may be literally rendered, and as they are in the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions; for the sabbath was not a fasting, but a feasting day with the Jews; for they were obliged to eat three meals, or feasts, on a sabbath day, one in the morning, another at evening, and another at the time of the meat offering: even the poorest man in Israel, who was maintained by alms, was obliged to keep these three feasts (f). It was forbidden a man to fast, until the sixth hour, on a sabbath day; that is, till noon (g): wherefore, it is a great mistake in Justin (h) and Suetonius (i), that the sabbath was kept by the Jews as a fast. But the word is rightly rendered, "in the week"; the whole seven days, or week, were by the Jews commonly called the sabbath; hence, , "the first of the sabbath", and the second of the sabbath, and the third of the sabbath (k); that is, the first, second, and third days of the week. Now the two days in the week on which they fasted were Monday and Thursday, the second and fifth days; on which days the law of Moses, and the book of Esther were read, by the order of Ezra (l); and fasts for the congregation were appointed on those days (m); and so a private person, or a single man, as in this instance, took upon him, or chose to fast on the same : the reason of this is, by some, said to be, because Moses went up to Mount Sinai on a Thursday, and came down on a Monday (o). But though these men fasted so often, they took care not to hurt themselves; for they allowed themselves to eat in the night till break of day. It is asked (p),

First notice that they did not fast on the Sabbath. Secondly, they fasted on Monday and Thursday. Paul is addressing those who thought if one did not fast on Monday and Thursday they were somehow weaker and inferior to the those who did. He was addressing fasting on Monday and Thursday.

Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath at all.

 

[john832]

sorry that you just do not understand. the new heart of flesh is the original heart of Adam and Eve before they ate from that tree of death. That is what is restored but more, we are now able to eat from the tree of life (Jesus Christ) having life eternal given to us from Father through Son's finished work, and that's all folks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is what it is
Father did it all through Christ for us a free gift to us those that believe there is no ore work to be done, we are now news reporters of the great news from God through Christ unto us, and to all who will believe God that it is finished by Son not editors of what is truth.
Is this below scripture truth or error from /God to us through Son? and can nay one improve on this truth?
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

there are many more scriptures that state our forgiveness from God is now after the cross past tense we are forgiven
Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Romans 4:7 saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.

It has all to do with Faith, do you believe this to be true or not that simple tha tis what the Holy Ghost is asking you and all right here and now? Your free choice to either believe or not?
John 16 talks about the purpose of the Holy Ghost and for us to consciously make the choice to believe God it is finished for us through him, by the cross of Son or we have to do more?
your conscious choice right here right for you to believe or not, and when the day comes there will be no excuse, having made the conscious choice of believing God or not, that it is finished you are by God through Christ made Holy to Father

Don't feel too sorry for me, I understand just fine.

 

[Isdaniel]

Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath. It is about judging a weaker brother...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

And two subjects are dealt with, vegetarianism...

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

And fast days...

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Notice...

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

did they fast twice in a week? Yep. On particular days? Yep! From John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible...

I fast twice in the week,.... Not "on the sabbath", as the words may be literally rendered, and as they are in the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions; for the sabbath was not a fasting, but a feasting day with the Jews; for they were obliged to eat three meals, or feasts, on a sabbath day, one in the morning, another at evening, and another at the time of the meat offering: even the poorest man in Israel, who was maintained by alms, was obliged to keep these three feasts (f). It was forbidden a man to fast, until the sixth hour, on a sabbath day; that is, till noon (g): wherefore, it is a great mistake in Justin (h) and Suetonius (i), that the sabbath was kept by the Jews as a fast. But the word is rightly rendered, "in the week"; the whole seven days, or week, were by the Jews commonly called the sabbath; hence, , "the first of the sabbath", and the second of the sabbath, and the third of the sabbath (k); that is, the first, second, and third days of the week. Now the two days in the week on which they fasted were Monday and Thursday, the second and fifth days; on which days the law of Moses, and the book of Esther were read, by the order of Ezra (l); and fasts for the congregation were appointed on those days (m); and so a private person, or a single man, as in this instance, took upon him, or chose to fast on the same : the reason of this is, by some, said to be, because Moses went up to Mount Sinai on a Thursday, and came down on a Monday (o). But though these men fasted so often, they took care not to hurt themselves; for they allowed themselves to eat in the night till break of day. It is asked (p),

First notice that they did not fast on the Sabbath. Secondly, they fasted on Monday and Thursday. Paul is addressing those who thought if one did not fast on Monday and Thursday they were somehow weaker and inferior to the those who did. He was addressing fasting on Monday and Thursday.

Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath at all.

i know that did you not read my other post saying Romans 14 is not about sabbath but about fasting . You will never find the word sabbath mentioned in the chapter

 

[Isdaniel]

Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath. It is about judging a weaker brother...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

And two subjects are dealt with, vegetarianism...

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

And fast days...

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Notice...

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

did they fast twice in a week? Yep. On particular days? Yep! From John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible...

I fast twice in the week,.... Not "on the sabbath", as the words may be literally rendered, and as they are in the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions; for the sabbath was not a fasting, but a feasting day with the Jews; for they were obliged to eat three meals, or feasts, on a sabbath day, one in the morning, another at evening, and another at the time of the meat offering: even the poorest man in Israel, who was maintained by alms, was obliged to keep these three feasts (f). It was forbidden a man to fast, until the sixth hour, on a sabbath day; that is, till noon (g): wherefore, it is a great mistake in Justin (h) and Suetonius (i), that the sabbath was kept by the Jews as a fast. But the word is rightly rendered, "in the week"; the whole seven days, or week, were by the Jews commonly called the sabbath; hence, , "the first of the sabbath", and the second of the sabbath, and the third of the sabbath (k); that is, the first, second, and third days of the week. Now the two days in the week on which they fasted were Monday and Thursday, the second and fifth days; on which days the law of Moses, and the book of Esther were read, by the order of Ezra (l); and fasts for the congregation were appointed on those days (m); and so a private person, or a single man, as in this instance, took upon him, or chose to fast on the same : the reason of this is, by some, said to be, because Moses went up to Mount Sinai on a Thursday, and came down on a Monday (o). But though these men fasted so often, they took care not to hurt themselves; for they allowed themselves to eat in the night till break of day. It is asked (p),

First notice that they did not fast on the Sabbath. Secondly, they fasted on Monday and Thursday. Paul is addressing those who thought if one did not fast on Monday and Thursday they were somehow weaker and inferior to the those who did. He was addressing fasting on Monday and Thursday.

Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath at all.

i did not post that something is wrong with the site alot of thing that i did post is going under someone else name and i dont know why and the things i did not post comes under my name that is so strange

 

[john832]

i did not post that something is wrong with the site alot of thing that i did post is going under someone else name and i dont know why and the things i did not post comes under my name that is so strange

Not sure if I understand your post, but mine was a reply to my firend Homewardbound. Although we disagree, I still consider him a friend.

 

[Hoffco]

To wordsponge, Please don't send me any material about your legalistic heresy, like "Sunday is the beast day of worship" I believe like Homwardbound that any day of the week is ok to worship on, but, we do have the example of Christians worshiping on Sunday" the first day" Some churches worship on Sat. and Sun. that is good. To Homwardbound, I still say, you talk wrong when you say Jesus did (all the work for our salvation on the cross) all we do is to believe it. This is wrong. Lk. 24:47 " repentance and remission of sins" AND Acts2:38 "Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized" AND 1Pet.3:21 "There is also an antitype which now saves us-baptism...the answer of a good conscience toward God" AND Heb.5:9 "..He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him," Please bring more verses into your salvation program. God's plan of sal. is very deep, but any one open to the words of the Bible can easily see what
God requires for sal.: Repent of sin, trust and obey Jesus. Love to all Hoffco

 

[Gjolll]

so is it all God or not?

I can't help thinking you're taking issue with my comments just for the sake of it.

The law is holy, and to be used rightly. It is not a substitute for faith, nor a replacement for spirit.

The law is our teacher. Lol! You wouldn't actually believe it. Every American bible commentary I read now has pages and pages of rubbish about how people should no longer obey the law, especially in relation to male/female relations. That is why I have banished them all. I only use pretty old commentaries now.

Yes, the law has fallen into disrepute even amongst Christians. Especially the Trinitarian churches.

Then the law is also abused e.g. tithing. I would never ever contemplate going to a tithing church, as that is simply law-abuse.

The secret is (a) to know the law, (b) to know which laws are required to be obeyed, and especially those are, as I have said, human relations and human/divine relations, (c) to be able to recognize when the law is being abused.

I am absolutely appalled by what goes on in most churches. I believe the majority are forsaken by God, because they despise his law, and his Spirit cannot work.

 

[Isdaniel]

I wonder what really under law means


Romans 3:19

Now we know that what things so ever the Law saith, it saith to them who are under the Law: That every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 3:20

Therefore by the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: For by the Law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I wonder what really under law means

Being under law means being under it's authority.