What Laws are still valid to christians

[nathan3]

Law Against rape :


Deuteronomy 22 :


25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.


This law is set, so it would govern every dealings between man and women. In any situation, if the women is forced to do something against her will, its rape, and the punishment of death applies ...



It's sad that churches today have confused fellow Christians to the point , that they would say these laws are done away with, or do not apply to a Christian . Instead of teaching them,, that the law that cannot save was the blood rituals to forgive sins : that is what was nailed to the cross and stopped .




Matthew 5:17-19

King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 4:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[just-me]

With regards to the "harvest of the land," given that the majority of folks today do not "harvest land," I don't see how they could ever hope to fulfill these instructions, unless they apply it in another way, such as "charity."

Fulfill the law in a Spiritual way, not physical or carnal. Romans 8:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 2:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[notuptome]

All the law is valid. The law is a schoolmaster to bring men to Christ. Righteousness, however, comes by grace. God imputes the righteousness of Christ to us because we believe. We have the law of grace and the law of liberty in Christ. The law no longer represents condemnation to us but we can never keep the law in perfection which is what the law demands. Only Christ who finished all the work necessary for us kept the law in perfection. Believers are righteous because of grace not the law. The Holy Spirit does not teach us to live in a wanton manner. We are sober minded and circumspect in Christ but we are free of condemnation. Glory to God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[just-me]

Understanding the difference between the Torah, and the Mitzvot is educational when it comes to understanding how the law is still relevant for today. They are really the same, but one educates and the other puts that education into action.

Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Once you learn it, it's written on your heart, and you do it. Spiritually.

 

[nathan3]

There is a difference between Laws concerning : statutes and ordinances and the law. The ordinances of blood letting, were stopped.

But not the law. The Law is good naturally ( Like the laws we covered here ).

 

[just-me]

There is a difference between Laws concerning : statutes and ordinances and the law. The ordinances of blood letting, were stopped.

But not the law. The Law is good naturally ( Like the laws we covered here ).

How does that apply spiritually. That's the whole point. You're right concerning blood letting, but killing of sins still takes place today for the sincere at heart. Blood is the life of the flesh.

Leviticus 17:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

1 Corinthians 15:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

2 Corinthians 10:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:


Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.


Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

 

[Judo]

Check out Romans 14th chapter. Colosians 2:11 and hebrews 9th 10th 11th chapters. Also "Jesus," upon being questioned by the pharisees. was asked why did he permit his disciple to pick grain on the sabbath which was not lawful for them to do. Jesus replied and stated " Haven't you read what David did. When he returned from battle how he went into the temple and ate the priests shew bread which was not lawful for him to do, yet he as found blameless before God. The son of man is Lord even of the sabbath. For the Man was not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man." I think that there some amendments in the cultural and oral law. The book of Hebrew 2chapter also talks of how Jesus is our rest and if God had given them rest in the wilderness then he wouldn't have spoken of another day in David. We must enter that rest in faith through Christ.

 

[nathan3]

How does that apply spiritually.

The only way that it would apply in a Spiritual sense would be to learn, Christ is the only sacrifice that is able, to forgive sins.

Like when the lambs blood was put on the door posts , that caused the death angel to pass over . There is a teaching in them. that always points to Christ as the only one who is able to forgive sins and Save us .

 

[nathan3]

How would you reconcile these scriptures then if it is no long done?
Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

If what is no longer done ??? I hope your not advocating people sacrifice animals to forgive sins ? That would be sacrilegious against Christ sacrifice on the cross. . I don't know where your coming from . Maybe you can explain clearer then this.


Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."

Paul is saying, I appeal to you fellow Christians, by all the mercies that God has extended to each of us in His grace; that we commit our lives to God as a living sacrifice. A dead sacrifice is of no earthly or heavenly good to the Father, but the "living sacrifice" is how we live our lives each day of our lives. It is shown in the words we say and the kindness that we show one another Those words and acts become our living sacrifice unto the Lord. To be holy and acceptable unto God can only come by our individual study of His Word, and knowing exactly what is acceptable to Him. In the next three chapters Paul will instruct us as to what is holy and acceptable to Him in our reasonable service to Him.

The "living sacrifice" includes all the duties that is expect of us in our relationship to the Father. We accept those duties by our own free will, have we have accepted Jesus Christ and individually have come into the family of God. Paul is telling us that as a family member, the family expects us to represent family well, especially the Head of that family, our Heavenly Father. We are to set the example, whereby all people will see our lives and know that we are Christians by our holy living and conversation.

If it gets to the point where you have to tell someone that you are a Christian because they just can't see it in your life, spiritually you are in trouble, and it is time to take a close look at yourself.

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

 

[Judo]

Christ did initiate a new order. true enough the various hand washings and and blood letting and sacrifices were all summed up when Christ was crucified and rose from the grave.

The Bible states in the book of Hebrew that he gave us a better covenant as he ascended into the true tabernacle not made with mans hands. Also that he gave us better promises in God by a new and living way.

For everything in the OT were types and shadows of the good things to come but not the very image. christ is the exact image of those things.

 

[JaumeJ]

I did post most of the quoted Scripture in my own previous post, this comparative was in response to a reply on that specific line of Scripture...25. It never hurts to post it again though.

It was because of their rebellion, not because God wanted it that way. Here is the entire point.Ezekiel 20:19-26 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.

Romans 1:28-32 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[just-me]

The only way that it would apply in a Spiritual sense would be to learn, Christ is the only sacrifice that is able, to forgive sins.

Like when the lambs blood was put on the door posts , that caused the death angel to pass over . There is a teaching in them. that always points to Christ as the only one who is able to forgive sins and Save us .

You are right. But there is more to it that involves ourselves according to the Levitical law.

Think about the peace offering that isn't offered by the priest, but the priest carries out the sacrifice that is offered by someone in the congregation. The fat, kidneys, and gallbladder, are burned on the altar. I could go on, but those three things are basically redundant with many sacrifices. My point is that the priest consecrated himself to do the work first. Then it was an ongoing statute for the congregation, and individuals, to offer sacrifice. One other thing was necessary for the layman. He had to lay his hands on the head of the sacrifice he or she offered before it was killed. It was a transfer of iniquity.

With all that said, we, being the temple of God, offer of ourselves in the same manner Spiritually. It's the same really, if one thinks about it Spiritually. Without us presenting ourselves as a living sacrifice, the priest can't kill the sin. Offering sacrifice is Spiritually identical to the confession, and repentance of sins. All of it ties together in the same manner as when the law was given, it just isn't done in the physical anymore, but it still i all done in the Spiritual, and the understanding thereof.

 

[KohenMatt]

Are you saying that the Church today is to obey all of the Mosaic Laws?

For salvation, no. To help know how to live and to be obedient to God? Yes.

 

[just-me]

If what is no longer done ??? I hope your not advocating people sacrifice animals to forgive sins ? That would be sacrilegious against Christ sacrifice on the cross. . I don't know where your coming from . Maybe you can explain clearer then this.

The sacrifice according to the Levitical law was physical. The same law applies in every detail today, Spiritually, according to the law of Jesus Christ being of the tribe of Judah. Nothing has change with God, but it changed with the way we see things. The change is with us, not with God. That's all.

 

[just-me]

Their or to three sets of laws 1 moral 2 cultral 3 sacrifical. 1 still applies and 3 don't because Christ is our sacrifice.

I always looked at it slightly different. Yes I agree that the law is of 3 categories, even related to Father, Son and Holy Ghost. 1. the Levitical law, 2. the moral law, and 3 the judgmental law. So basically we see it the same way, just different terms. I agree that the morals still applies, as you said. Yet I believe the judgmental part does also because that's New Testament. Of course that's my term and not yours.

Leviticus 18:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.

Romans 12:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

John 7:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

As far as the Levitical part, I think I have defined that previously. In summary, it is all in tact for Jesus didn't take any of it away. Not one speck. All the I'z are dotted, and all the T's are crossed. I like the pun on the T's thing.

Matthew 5:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[p_rehbein]

For salvation, no. To help know how to live and to be obedient to God? Yes.

..ok, to each his own.......but I have the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit to instruct me on how to live and be obedient to God........

and that is waaaaayyyyyy easier than all them Mosaic Laws in my opinion......

THANK GOD FOR GRACE!

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by p_rehbein

Are you saying that the Church today is to obey all of the Mosaic Laws?

For salvation, no. To help know how to live and to be obedient to God? Yes.

Matt, you have it right, because the law is the teacher, and the commandment is the doing of what is taught. If love is the greatest commandment, we are taught by the Spirit of the law how to love. What did Jesus say, "if you love Me obey my commandments." Now if Jesus created all things according to Paul's writing to the Colossians, then Jesus gave the commandments to Moses. Right?

Colossians 1:12-18 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

 

[p_rehbein]

Odd, I'm sure I have read somewhere that the Holy Ghost was our Teacher........shoot, oh well........

 

[p_rehbein]

The Gospel of John 14:23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 .) He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 .) These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 .) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 .) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.


Yup! I did read this!

 

[just-me]

The Gospel of John 14:26)
26 .) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



Yup! I did read this!

Rememberance is a good word. Jesus taught according to the instructions of His Father. Jesus wants us to remember them so that's why He gave the Holy Spirit to us.

John 5:30-32 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

Jesus wanted His followers to remember the truth of His Father i.e. our Father in heaven. Jesus is "The Creator" of all including the Mosaic Law through the Spirit, not by carnal, or fleshly minds, or the physical that once was. So, I totally agree with the scripture you posted