What Laws are still valid to christians

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Any punishment? What does your conscious tell you. And it is by God's kindness that teaches me to trust a loving and supporting God, and learn my Shepherd's voice
I don't understand how what you've been saying excludes what I said or about the Law? It's just doesn't make any sense to me without your elabaration.

seriously Yury, Christ while here annihilated all the people under Law in showing them the impossibility in being able to obey it?
What are you talking about, sir? Could you please be more detail with you answer because I see no coherent connection with my answers and your comments on them. Thank you.
 

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Christ while here annihilated all the people under Law in showing them the impossibility in being able to obey it?
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Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

And God said do not call anything unclean that I(God) have cleaned, the three dreams of Peter and then led to the Gentile house and went in, when it is unlawful to do that, as he even said this to Cornelius. Yes the Law is still in place, the Law of Love God's type not flesh type. Spirit is what we are called to be born again in the Spirit of God, and this is only done through Christ at the cross, where all sin has been dealt with So God can give us a new life in the Spirit of God. And quit being of the selfish flesh
NOWHERE in Yahweh's Laws is this unlawful, only in the Talmud was this unlawful, and the Talmud ruled Israyl since before the 12 diciples and the apostle Shaul's birth. The Talmud is the burden Yahshua spoke against OVER and OVER.

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

Not Lawful according to Yahweh's Law?

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."

Yahweh was calling Israyl back to Him and away from the Pharisees through Yahshua and the Holy Spirit.
 

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How do we keep in step with the Spirit? In your opinion is it supposed to be automatic when one becomes saved?
In a sort of kind of way, it is first understanding and seeing the difference of flesh and Spirit of God. And when one sees this and walks in the Spirit it does become one's way of life, and no more a man of two faces, one to the crowd and the other to self

For a carnal man can't hold two faces one to the public and the other to self, without being perplexed as to which one is truth?
Then one might come to the truth as What God has said about the carnal minded man that tries to be good and is not.
Thus receive the born again life as a whole new life in trusting the living God to do in you what you couldn't do in self behind closed doors.
 

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Christ has fulfilled the law in every way and continues to fulfill the law to this day. Just as Christ fulfilled the sacrificial and ceremonial law on the Cross of Calvary, He fulfills the moral law in those who walk not in the flesh but rather, in His Spirit. It is his Spirit which both enables us and empowers us to love like Jesus loved and live like Jesus lived. Without Him, we could do nothing.
 
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We can seek the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil as Adam and Eve sinfully did in the Garden of Eden or we can seek the Tree of Life.

The true knowledge of good and evil is discerned. It is understood by discernment of facts and of the spirit of the law rather than knowledge of the letter of the law.

Hebrews 5:15 speaks of those who are mature and not babies who "who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

We all have a different base of knowledge and experience. We all need to walk according to our own consciences and discernment in determining good and evil.


Love is the fulfillment of the law. Love is a challenge. Love includes kindness, patience and some level of suffering as it did for Jesus.

The last chapter of the Bible maintains a focus on the importance of keeping the commandments of God. It says that blessed are they that do his commands.

As I read it, only those that do his commandments have right to the tree of life. As I read it, only they that do his commandments may enter in through the gates into the city.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14)
So what then remains is what are his commandments?
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

No man can love in truth as God unless they first see this:?
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

At least for me as I tried to love as God loves and loved us through Christ and could never come to the perfect terms he required in the energy of my own flesh that is. I gave up, raised my white flag in surrender to God, exhausted, saying I give up "I" can't attain it and be perfect.
That is when I heard from God saying thank you and now see this what I did for you through my Son:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

I said what and thus saw that verse 1 John 4:19 stated above, the love of God amazing, Mercy, and then was shown this:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

All God and none of me, but to believe God at God's amazing Mercy to all that believe God
 

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Take, for example, the issue of eating meat or drinking wine. Whether it is good or evil depends for one upon our discernment of the condition of our neighbor. If it doesn't bother your neighbor and you have a clear conscience about it, then eat meat and drink wine. Otherwise, don't.

It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother is stumbled, or is offended, or is made weak. (Romans 14:21)

Concerning commands of Christ, search your Bible and you will find. There are more than a few of them. They include:
* Love God
* Love your neighbor
* Take up your cross and follow Me.
* Make disciples, teach them to obey all that I have commanded you, baptize them.
* Do this is remembrance of Me.
* Pray in secret
* Let your light shine
* Go the second mile
* Turn the other cheek
* Love your enemies
* Seek first the kingdom of God
* Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
* Pray for laborers to be sent into the harvest fields (Luke 10:2)
* Honor your parents
* Watch and pray
* ... more...
That is all correct as to work out one's salvation with fear and trembling, yet is of one's flesh self, and I am glad for this in truth, for one will eventually see the whole truth through this struggle to do what is right by God.
So maybe see why one that goes by this self will nature to do what is right and see that it actually keeps one in sinful behavior usually behind closed doors.

[h=3]Galatians 6:8[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Do you not know that our emotions predictably respond to and do whatever is in our thought process at the time.
Go to a scary movie and see how one's emotions respond to it, knowing that it is not real.
Thoughts control actions and reactions of the flesh. It matters not if one wants to not sin, just keep thinking not to and what does one end up doing, what they do not want to do yes?
Maybe now Romans 7 might shed light on this truth of either walking by flesh and not wanting to sin and still doing it, verses Walking I the Spirit of God, where no sin can or will be done
Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit
Romans 8:4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 

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It may not fit popular, modern theologies but the last chapter of the Bible, Revelation 22, also has Jesus speaking about rewards according to works.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Jesus: Have faith in Me.
Those rewards are of God doing God works through you, not of flesh, of God's Spirit, that shall never burn up, yet all flesh efforts will.
Maybe read 1 Cor. and 1 Cor. 13:1-3, and Ecclesiastes where all is futile without God in the lead, as Christ was never in the lead.
 
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Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
You keep repeating these verses like a mantra, and keep failing to realize that the one who loves, fulfills the spirit of all of the commandments, even though he might break the letter. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.


NOWHERE in Yahweh's Laws is this unlawful, only in the Talmud was this unlawful, and the Talmud ruled Israyl since before the 12 diciples and the apostle Shaul's birth. The Talmud is the burden Yahshua spoke against OVER and OVER.

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

Not Lawful according to Yahweh's Law?

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."
It actually was unlawful as the gentiles were considered unclean. You are failing to distinguish in the above verses that they refer to circumcised strangers who sojourned with Israel. They were, therefore, no longer unclean; they had entered into covenant with YHWH. Those verses are merely stating that no discrimination should be exercised against non-native Israelites.
 

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By following Christ's example. Jesus did not seek after His own will (the desires of His human flesh which was tempted all ways as an ordinary human) but rather He only did what He saw the Father doing (through the Spirit). That is why scripture states that the Holy Spirit will always speak of Christ because Jesus is our example of what a human indwelt by the Spirit of God should conduct themselves.
To do nothing except by Father's lead, and this same Holy Ghost is sent to us to hear from and do as God leads, thanks
 

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Acts 10:28 Peter understood the vision differently. He said "...but God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean."
Romans 14:14 - the context was about abstaining from meat but I think many have addressed that here.
Yes, and you are seeing well, I like to learn from others, thanks
 

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and this - Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends and yet, very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die, but God demonstrated his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners (and I add, and his enemies), Christ died for us.
Our difference though, as I saw in other posts, is the view about the clean/unclean and the Sabbath. Hopefully we are able to reason in love.
I think so, God decided to not condemn me, by Son and am thankful, and do not desire to condemn anyone else, just share in what I see and hear form others what they see, for their is no:
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

This love of God to us all while we were yet enemies, is amazing to me and never desire to neglect it.
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
I am thankful:
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name
 

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You keep repeating these verses like a mantra, and keep failing to realize that the one who loves, fulfills the spirit of all of the commandments, even though he might break the letter. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
Shall Lawlessness abound? Surely not! rether we shall establish the Law!


It actually was unlawful as the gentiles were considered unclean. You are failing to distinguish in the above verses that they refer to circumcised strangers who sojourned with Israel. They were, therefore, no longer unclean; they had entered into covenant with YHWH. Those verses are merely stating that no discrimination should be exercised against non-native Israelites.
Leviticus 19:34, "The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh."

If you can produce a verse that says not to enter their house or Gentiles period are unclean I will accept it, however the law of the Pharisses said gentiles were dirty beasts, Yahweh never said that.

Also, Cornelius was not just any old heathen, as a matter of fact no heathen at all, but a child of Yahweh:

Acts 10:1-2, "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the Italian Cohort:A devout man and one who reverenced Yahweh, as did all his household; and he gave many alms to the people, and prayed to Yahweh continually." v22 "And they said; Cornelius the centurion, a just man, one who reverences Yahweh and has a righteous reputation among the whole nation of the Yahdaim, was instructed by a holy malak to send and have you brought to his house, and to listen to your words;"
 
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Shall Lawlessness abound? Surely not! rether we shall establish the Law!
Obeying the Royal Law is not lawlessness. Opposing GOD's revealed will is.

If you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you commit sin, and thus are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles in one point only has become guilty of all of it. For the one who said “Do not commit adultery” also said “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. Thus speak and thus act as those who are going to be judged by the law of liberty. James 2:8-12​
 

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I don't understand how what you've been saying excludes what I said or about the Law? It's just doesn't make any sense to me without your elabaration.


What are you talking about, sir? Could you please be more detail with you answer because I see no coherent connection with my answers and your comments on them. Thank you.
There is a before the cross and after the cross. do you agree with this?
Before under the Law, that is perfect and yet no one could fulfill the law perfectly in their own flesh. thus under a curse, being born of flesh.
Read Matt. 19. re: the rich man, who walked away sad, who said he obeyed the law all his life, and yet couldn't give up this world and it's treasures, walking away sad, and then how the disciples reacted and asked Christ how then is it possible that anyone make it into heaven, seeing by the full Law there was no way they could be perfect in and of themselves.

Now after the cross where Christ is risen, from the dead, we are under a new priesthood, not in the order of Aaron in the order of Melchizadek, that lives forever, and we are under new law.

[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

To believe in God through Son is what is still valid in any of the Laws. God does the setting free not man and or any of man's works.
That is what I am getting at, whether you believe this or not, is your free will decision, I am just posting what I see to post and am not saying you must see this or that.
Does this help ?
 

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Obeying the Royal Law is not lawlessness. Opposing GOD's revealed will is.

If you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you commit sin, and thus are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles in one point only has become guilty of all of it. For the one who said “Do not commit adultery” also said “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. Thus speak and thus act as those who are going to be judged by the law of liberty. James 2:8-12
The Law of Liberty is being free from sin and walking in Yahweh's Laws, which is the Law of the Spirit.

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Psalm 119:160, "Your Law is true from the beginning, and every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever!"

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Isayah 24:5-6, "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the
ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

There are only 2 seeds here

1) keeps Yahweh's Laws/Commandments and has testimony of Yahshua

2) fights against those who keep Yahweh's Laws and have testimony of Yahshua

1 Corinthians 10:21, "You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons."

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua"
 

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Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."



NOWHERE in Yahweh's Laws is this unlawful, only in the Talmud was this unlawful, and the Talmud ruled Israyl since before the 12 diciples and the apostle Shaul's birth. The Talmud is the burden Yahshua spoke against OVER and OVER.

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

Not Lawful according to Yahweh's Law?

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."

Yahweh was calling Israyl back to Him and away from the Pharisees through Yahshua and the Holy Spirit.
Please see post #814, and brother I am not making void the Law, rather upholding it as perfect, that whenever it flows through me, that is in my flesh efforts. I see my need for the creator of all, the Father of Christ, his amazing grace that I do not take for granted and trust in the living God to do in me what my flesh can't do, and that is be perfect, but God can and is perfect in me through the finished work of Son at the cross, this not only includes death, that took away all my sins, it includes the resurrected Christ in the Spirit where God has past tense given me new life in God, in the Spirit. This is for you too, if you choose to believe God and be set free in God, your free choice, for it is the truth that sets one free is it not?
So if you, me or anyone else is not free, then there would have to be error in our truth would there not? So maybe then I would have to re-think the truth that I believe, if I am in bondage, (error) and not set free to walk as he walked, true or not true, your choice and everyone else's also. Free will to all in the loving Spirit of God to all.
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There is a before the cross and after the cross. do you agree with this?
Before under the Law, that is perfect and yet no one could fulfill the law perfectly in their own flesh. thus under a curse, being born of flesh.
Read Matt. 19. re: the rich man, who walked away sad, who said he obeyed the law all his life, and yet couldn't give up this world and it's treasures, walking away sad, and then how the disciples reacted and asked Christ how then is it possible that anyone make it into heaven, seeing by the full Law there was no way they could be perfect in and of themselves.
Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."

This was His first answer, ONLY AFTER THIS does He say to sell what rich man owned, what if the rich man broke every Law, killed, stole, blasphemed Yahweh, lied, commit adultery, etc, but sold what he had, would he go to kingdom, NO, he needed both.

Now after the cross where Christ is risen, from the dead, we are under a new priesthood, not in the order of Aaron in the order of Melchizadek, that lives forever, and we are under new law.

Hebrews 7:11-12

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

To believe in God through Son is what is still valid in any of the Laws. God does the setting free not man and or any of man's works.
That is what I am getting at, whether you believe this or not, is your free will decision, I am just posting what I see to post and am not saying you must see this or that.
Does this help ?
change of priesthood, do not murder still stands.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua"
 

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Please see post #814, and brother I am not making void the Law, rather upholding it as perfect, that whenever it flows through me, that is in my flesh efforts. I see my need for the creator of all, the Father of Christ, his amazing grace that I do not take for granted and trust in the living God to do in me what my flesh can't do, and that is be perfect, but God can and is perfect in me through the finished work of Son at the cross, this not only includes death, that took away all my sins, it includes the resurrected Christ in the Spirit where God has past tense given me new life in God, in the Spirit. This is for you too, if you choose to believe God and be set free in God, your free choice, for it is the truth that sets one free is it not?
So if you, me or anyone else is not free, then there would have to be error in our truth would there not? So maybe then I would have to re-think the truth that I believe, if I am in bondage, (error) and not set free to walk as he walked, true or not true, your choice and everyone else's also. Free will to all in the loving Spirit of God to all.
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i may mistake your words but they seem very non-responsible for ones actions" kind of thing. not completely, but i get that vibe, free will though, yes we always retain that, i agree and like that you say this.

i agree none have a chance without the Spirit of Yahweh, but the Spirit guides and strengthens, we still choose to obey or not, if we do obey glory to Yahweh not us, as He strengthens us. but every man will be judged, EVERY not just the wicked:

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”

2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”

Colossians 3:24-25, “Knowing that from Yahweh you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve Yahshua the Messiah. But he who does wrong will receive the reward for the wrong he has done, and there is no respect of persons.”

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:17-18, “And if you call on the Father, Who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence. Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your fathers.”

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before Yahweh. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”

Revelation 22:12, “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be.”
 

TheAristocat

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In a sort of kind of way, it is first understanding and seeing the difference of flesh and Spirit of God. And when one sees this and walks in the Spirit it does become one's way of life, and no more a man of two faces, one to the crowd and the other to self

For a carnal man can't hold two faces one to the public and the other to self, without being perplexed as to which one is truth?
Then one might come to the truth as What God has said about the carnal minded man that tries to be good and is not.
Thus receive the born again life as a whole new life in trusting the living God to do in you what you couldn't do in self behind closed doors.
Which of the laws is considered in step with the Spirit? There are some who call themselves Christians and who are pro-choice, view government-endorsed marriage as unnecessary or practice homosexuality. Has the Spirit led them in a direction contrary to someone else's? Or are their consciences not as developed if these do not offend them? And how can they better be led by the Spirit without relying on a law code?
 

Elin

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Thought I already said - the Bible didn't say Cornelius offered Peter the unclean to eat. I found it interesting that this verse is used to support the idea that Peter started to eat the unclean.
You didn't get that from me.