What Laws are still valid to christians
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Nope. it is equally as usefull in what it was intended to do.
It is a schoolmaster to the unbeliever. Because it shows their sin and their condemnation.
It is the schoolmaster to the believer, It shows we continue in sin, and still can not meet the just requirement of the law. Thus would prevent us from boasting in self and thinking we are something we are not.
It is a schoolmaster to the unbeliever. Because it shows their sin and their condemnation.
It is the schoolmaster to the believer, It shows we continue in sin, and still can not meet the just requirement of the law. Thus would prevent us from boasting in self and thinking we are something we are not.
Assumptions. The only people I have seen on these threads that deny Christ are atheists. I have seen people, who truly believe in the salvation of Jesus Christ, labeled as legalizers and Judaizers. I detect a fear of sorts, but I'm not the one that can identify where it's coming from.
Say it exactly the way you see it. I ask you. Do you believe that I DO NOT believe in Jesus Christ as the true messiah? We can end this ridiculousness with a yes, or a no from you. Please be specific. Tell everybody what I believe and don't mince words.
Romans 2:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Say it exactly the way you see it. I ask you. Do you believe that I DO NOT believe in Jesus Christ as the true messiah? We can end this ridiculousness with a yes, or a no from you. Please be specific. Tell everybody what I believe and don't mince words.
Romans 2:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
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Laws and commands were given to sinful people. Under the blood of Christ, the power of sin is broken. Then what? what shall we do? shall we obey this and that? We are given liberty under Christ. Liberty from what? The law? ourselves? What is liberty?
Liberty means that we are ruled by our heart and free from the bondage of sin. If our heart and that is to say faith. is in the right place, then it is accounted to us as righteousness. Look at the OT, before law, it is said that every man did what was right in his own eye.
Under Christ, we do what is right in our own eye, but guided by the Holy Spirit if our heart is in Him. Look law exposes sin, The cross eradicates sin, But the flesh wants to sin, So should we sin, God forbid. We must look to the cross and rely on the Holy Spirit for our sanctification. If we look to yourself and what we can do, we have negated the cross and the Spirit cannot help us. The Spirit works through the means of the cross. So if our faith is what we can do, the Spirit has no means to help us. Our faith must firmly planted in the work of the cross so that the Spirit can keep us from all unrighteousness or can you do that yourself. I think not.
I know its deep but yet it is simple.
Liberty means that we are ruled by our heart and free from the bondage of sin. If our heart and that is to say faith. is in the right place, then it is accounted to us as righteousness. Look at the OT, before law, it is said that every man did what was right in his own eye.
Under Christ, we do what is right in our own eye, but guided by the Holy Spirit if our heart is in Him. Look law exposes sin, The cross eradicates sin, But the flesh wants to sin, So should we sin, God forbid. We must look to the cross and rely on the Holy Spirit for our sanctification. If we look to yourself and what we can do, we have negated the cross and the Spirit cannot help us. The Spirit works through the means of the cross. So if our faith is what we can do, the Spirit has no means to help us. Our faith must firmly planted in the work of the cross so that the Spirit can keep us from all unrighteousness or can you do that yourself. I think not.
I know its deep but yet it is simple.
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lol.. Ok.. You continue to be blind. I never said anyone has dened Christ. Many people believe in Christ, but reject the gospel. Again, I am sorry for being blunt, But how else can I take your continued act of ignoring the facts?
I do not know what you believe so I can;t answer. I have yet to see you claim one can lose salvation. Answer that first.
Why would you ask such a ridiculous question to a mortal such as myself. Whatever you believe in that respect, I have not problem with. The question should be are you really saved or not? I cannot, and neither can anyone else answer that question with any truth. It is obvious to me that this is a question to cause argument. Have you ever read from me that I believe one way or the other?
That's God's judgement not mans. I will give you this however;
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
That's God's judgement not mans. I will give you this however;
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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1. Why have you continued to not answer my question about adultry?
2. Your correct. No one can know someones salvation. But that was never in doubt or the question.
3. The question is everyone here teaching the same gospel> the answer is no. This with the fact that God says there is on gospel. and even a minor change would make it no gospel at all. Yet it seems you do not wish to speak of this issue.
You state no one teaches law for salvation. I disagree, and you have yet to counter it. why is that?
You state others disregard the law. I countered that, and you have not spoken of my counter.
It seems we are going in circles.. why?
As for heb 6. this does not answer my question. there are two beliefs as to what this passage means,, Which one do you believe?
2. Your correct. No one can know someones salvation. But that was never in doubt or the question.
3. The question is everyone here teaching the same gospel> the answer is no. This with the fact that God says there is on gospel. and even a minor change would make it no gospel at all. Yet it seems you do not wish to speak of this issue.
You state no one teaches law for salvation. I disagree, and you have yet to counter it. why is that?
You state others disregard the law. I countered that, and you have not spoken of my counter.
It seems we are going in circles.. why?
As for heb 6. this does not answer my question. there are two beliefs as to what this passage means,, Which one do you believe?
It's a game with you. The first time I ever talked with you, you kept asking me why I haven't answered your question. Now I can’t remember what that question was. I have seen you play the same game with other people too, and you can’t grasp what they are saying because you can’t understand the Spiritual meaning of the answer.
I gave you the spiritual meaning of the question, but the Spirit evidently isn't showing you the answer. Put it together Jesus is the husband, the church is the bride. If the church decides to follow a different doctrine than the truth of God, then adultery is taking place Spiritually. Marriage in the natural is very sacred because it exemplifies the marriage between Christ and the church.
I gave you the spiritual meaning of the question, but the Spirit evidently isn't showing you the answer. Put it together Jesus is the husband, the church is the bride. If the church decides to follow a different doctrine than the truth of God, then adultery is taking place Spiritually. Marriage in the natural is very sacred because it exemplifies the marriage between Christ and the church.
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No, it is a game with you. People ask you questions, and you come up with some long winded explanation which does not answer the question.
How hard is it to say, I will not commit adultry by obeying the law which says "do not commit adultry" because in the command ....
Now are you going to answer. or keep going in circles? Why are you so afraid? I can see no other reason why you refuse to answer. It should be easy.
The law which says do not commit adultry has nothing to do with spiritual adultry. That is covered under the first law.
How hard is it to say, I will not commit adultry by obeying the law which says "do not commit adultry" because in the command ....
Now are you going to answer. or keep going in circles? Why are you so afraid? I can see no other reason why you refuse to answer. It should be easy.
The law which says do not commit adultry has nothing to do with spiritual adultry. That is covered under the first law.
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You have not noticed ANYONE who states we can lose salvation if we do not follow the law (obey God)?
And you wonder why I state you are blind.People say it all the time.. John is one of the strongest proponents of this, yet you continue to defend him and say he does not. Maybe it is because you believe as he does??
And you wonder why I state you are blind.People say it all the time.. John is one of the strongest proponents of this, yet you continue to defend him and say he does not. Maybe it is because you believe as he does??