What Laws are still valid to christians
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lol.. You don;t get it do you. what is so hard with you answering easy questions?
And you continue you blindness by saying people claim we can neglect Gods law in the NT. when in reality NO ONE is claiming this.
Those were my questions and your answers. which were no answers at all. And since then, all we have done is go around in circles. with you STILL not answering those questions?
You talking about John 832 or something like that? So are you now going to tell me what he said was wrong according to your opinion, and as long as I don't disagree with him such as you have, that makes me a person, in your eyes, of the same belief as he is? I just choose not to argue if I can help it, but this time I thought that I might take it to the end with you because I'm very disappointed how you can claim faith in Christ with your attitude.
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Wow. I have never seen anything like this.
You made a statement, I countered it..You did not respond to my counter. And I am the one not loving?
John 932 as well as others teach one can LOSE salvation if they do not continue to obey the commands. That is no different than teaching law for salvation.
Are you going to deny this? or continue to defend his belief? At which case. I have no other thing to do but assume you believe as he does.
if you do not agree with him, It is not arguing to confront him on the issue (another reason I wonder what you believe) Paul did this throughout the Whole NT. was he arguing with people??
Wow. I have never seen anything like this.
You made a statement, I countered it..You did not respond to my counter. And I am the one not loving?
John 932 as well as others teach one can LOSE salvation if they do not continue to obey the commands. That is no different than teaching law for salvation.
Are you going to deny this? or continue to defend his belief? At which case. I have no other thing to do but assume you believe as he does.
if you do not agree with him, It is not arguing to confront him on the issue (another reason I wonder what you believe) Paul did this throughout the Whole NT. was he arguing with people??
lol.. You don;t get it do you. what is so hard with you answering easy questions?
So do you think I'm a demon?
My twisted view? You know I’ve never said, or endorsed that we MUST or are even capable of keeping the law
And you continue you blindness by saying people claim we can neglect Gods law in the NT. when in reality NO ONE is claiming this.
I fail to see the difference in the Old Testament law and the New Testament law for Jesus said He did nothing of Himself except what He was told by the giver of the law.
So I take it that these are your questions that I haven't answered?
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well lets see. i said so they say one can lose salvation if they do not obey, and you claim you have never seen anyone teach law in christian chat.
your answer. Is YOU do not teach one can be saved by teaching law. how does that answer my question
The I say. No one is neglecting or teaching neglect of Gods law.. and your answer is the NT and OT laws are the same? what does that have to do with proving people teach it is ok to neglect Gods law?
then I ask how to not commit adultry by following the command, thou shalt not commit adultry, and you go off on spiritual adultry something or other.
come on I know you are smarter than this,.
your answer. Is YOU do not teach one can be saved by teaching law. how does that answer my question
The I say. No one is neglecting or teaching neglect of Gods law.. and your answer is the NT and OT laws are the same? what does that have to do with proving people teach it is ok to neglect Gods law?
then I ask how to not commit adultry by following the command, thou shalt not commit adultry, and you go off on spiritual adultry something or other.
come on I know you are smarter than this,.
This is true that eternity is at stake. What do you think Jesus will say to you because of your arguing and instigation of conflict? How does the Bible say to win people over to the truth?
Titus 3:2-5 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
2 Timothy 2:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Titus 3:2-5 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
2 Timothy 2:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
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Since you wont answer. i will
How does one not commit adultry?
1. The law of love, You love your wife so much you would not want to hurt her. But even this is not enough. temptation can (and does) still creep in and people fall
2. You look at the person of temptation in Gods eyes.
A. They are a person God loves, You should love them the way God does. by serving them, NOT using them
B. You realise Gods view of sex. That taken outside of the way he created it, You not only hurt yourself. but the one you are using for sec.. Again, love comes in, Even if you do not care if you hurt yourself. Your love for them should cause you to not want to hurt them.
3. Humility. Sex outside of Gods plan is all about self. You humble yourself and realise this temptation is self centered. which is not from God.
4. You ask God how God can use you to affect them in a way which pleases God. or to take yourwelf out of the situation you are in, so temptation will not cause you to fall.
5. You tell a brother or sister of your temptation (confess your sin of lust) and ask them for prayer, encouragemnt, and accountabilty.
There are many other things we can do by following the spirit.
But what is missing from this list?
The law. Why? The law says do not do this, IT DOES NOT TELL YOU HOW.
How does one not commit adultry?
1. The law of love, You love your wife so much you would not want to hurt her. But even this is not enough. temptation can (and does) still creep in and people fall
2. You look at the person of temptation in Gods eyes.
A. They are a person God loves, You should love them the way God does. by serving them, NOT using them
B. You realise Gods view of sex. That taken outside of the way he created it, You not only hurt yourself. but the one you are using for sec.. Again, love comes in, Even if you do not care if you hurt yourself. Your love for them should cause you to not want to hurt them.
3. Humility. Sex outside of Gods plan is all about self. You humble yourself and realise this temptation is self centered. which is not from God.
4. You ask God how God can use you to affect them in a way which pleases God. or to take yourwelf out of the situation you are in, so temptation will not cause you to fall.
5. You tell a brother or sister of your temptation (confess your sin of lust) and ask them for prayer, encouragemnt, and accountabilty.
There are many other things we can do by following the spirit.
But what is missing from this list?
The law. Why? The law says do not do this, IT DOES NOT TELL YOU HOW.
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Yep. Paul was our example.. He confronted them. He did not let them go on believing the lie.
But if you feel ok allowing them to go on and think they are ok.. then thats on you.
But do us a favor. Please do not sit hear and say you see no one teaching this, when YOU KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE..
That is what started this argument in the first place!
But if you feel ok allowing them to go on and think they are ok.. then thats on you.
But do us a favor. Please do not sit hear and say you see no one teaching this, when YOU KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE..
That is what started this argument in the first place!
If you already knew the answer, then it is proof that the question was a leading question for the sake of conflict. There's no reason to ask a question unless one sincerely don't know. All you want to do is argue about the law. You have very limited spiritual insight, from what I can see, because I gave you the answer in the spiritual aspect relating to the church and Christ. The entire Bible is a marriage contract of sorts. If all you can see is the physical aspects of marriage, then it's no wonder that you see the law in the same way.
See? there you go again assuming that I believe something else than from the beginning of our conversation. If I am a legalist, as you were saying, how is it that all of a sudden I'm just letting people go, and not condemning their actions by the condemnation that we find in the law?
What started the argument in the first place was your assumptions of my beliefs.
What started the argument in the first place was your assumptions of my beliefs.